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Post by killer on Feb 16, 2007 10:45:06 GMT -5
Can't a guy say what he thinks about a subject when asked? He was asked about gays and said, basically, he couldn't stand them. Now he's banned from the basketball league circles. I would understand it if he had caused physical harm somewhere. But the guy just answered a question honestly.
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 16, 2007 10:58:49 GMT -5
Kind of crappy that the PC police have gotten this far. What if he had said he couldn't stand black people or white people? (I know who he is BTW)
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 11:03:03 GMT -5
What he said was stupid.
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Post by killer on Feb 16, 2007 11:08:27 GMT -5
Why was it stupid?
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 16, 2007 11:11:23 GMT -5
I don't like lawman, should I be banned from the NBA?
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 11:33:35 GMT -5
He went too far. Whatever one thinks about homosexuality, saying that gays shouldn't be allowed in the US, or in the world? What if he'd said it about Jewish people, or African-Americans? We wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 11:34:00 GMT -5
I don't like lawman, should I be banned from the NBA? Non sequitor.
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 16, 2007 11:41:39 GMT -5
I don't like lawman, should I be banned from the NBA? Non sequitor. ;D Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 11:47:16 GMT -5
I know. I am used to arguing on religious message boards, so it takes me a minute to see humor...
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 16, 2007 12:07:37 GMT -5
I know. I am used to arguing on religious message boards, so it takes me a minute to see humor... I have been having fun at lawman's expense this morning. I should feel bad for picking such an easy target, but.....
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 12:10:40 GMT -5
I know. I am used to arguing on religious message boards, so it takes me a minute to see humor... I have been having fun at lawman's expense this morning. I should feel bad for picking such an easy target, but..... Nah, he poked it out there, he shouldn't be afraid to get it cut off and handed back.
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Post by lawman on Feb 16, 2007 12:10:48 GMT -5
I know. I am used to arguing on religious message boards, so it takes me a minute to see humor... I have been having fun at lawman's expense this morning. I should feel bad for picking such an easy target, but..... My expense... LOL--- A fool has no one at her stupid expense.....but her idiotic self!
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Post by killer on Feb 16, 2007 12:15:08 GMT -5
Let's say Hank Erwin is in interview and is asked about gay people. He says I don't like them... Don't want to be around them. Should he be banned from legislative meetings? No.
If gay member Ted (or whoever) no longer wants to invite Hank to his house, that's Ted's business.
But's it's wrong to ban someone because their comments were offensive to a particular group or person.
Wasn't Hardaway asked to leave some game in Las Vegas?
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 12:24:41 GMT -5
Let's say Hank Erwin is in interview and is asked about gay people. He says I don't like them... Don't want to be around them. Should he be banned from legislative meetings? No. If gay member Ted (or whoever) no longer wants to invite Hank to his house, that's Ted's business. But's it's wrong to ban someone because their comments were offensive to a particular group or person. Wasn't Hardaway asked to leave some game in Las Vegas? Well, the fact that Erwin in the legislature is a terrifying thing, he can't be banned because it's a public forum. Whatever game Hardaway plays, it's run by a private corporation which can react just about any way it wants to. Personally, I think neckpunching him and slapping his girlfriend on the butt would be enough punishment, but I don't run a sports team.
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 16, 2007 12:25:06 GMT -5
I have been having fun at lawman's expense this morning. I should feel bad for picking such an easy target, but..... My expense... LOL--- A fool has no one at her stupid expense.....but her idiotic self! You lose.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Feb 16, 2007 13:21:01 GMT -5
I'll say the same about Hardaway as I did about the Dixie Chicks.
He's completely within his rights to say whatever he wants to and to hold whatever opinions of whatever group he desires, as are the Chicks.
However, groups that are outraged or offended by his (or their) words are also well within their rights to register and display their protest however they wish to, including firing them from promotional appearances or demanding that their music not be played on the radio.
The decision to exercise one's right to free speech is not without its consequences.
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Post by meatman on Feb 16, 2007 19:16:09 GMT -5
I'll say the same about Hardaway as I did about the Dixie Chicks. He's completely within his rights to say whatever he wants to and to hold whatever opinions of whatever group he desires, as are the Chicks. However, groups that are outraged or offended by his (or their) words are also well within their rights to register and display their protest however they wish to, including firing them from promotional appearances or demanding that their music not be played on the radio. The decision to exercise one's right to free speech is not without its consequences. Well said.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 17, 2007 12:12:57 GMT -5
Its alot easier for the NBA to punish Hardaway then to alienate a segment of their market.
You'd think he would have learned from Reggie White.
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 17, 2007 21:08:45 GMT -5
It's also the right thing to do, rich.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 18, 2007 18:09:42 GMT -5
Of course it is!
homophobia is rampant without him fueling the fire.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 19, 2007 0:00:37 GMT -5
The thing I didn't like about Hardaway was the fact that he came out later and apologized. If you don't mean it then you shoudn't say it.
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Post by lawman on Feb 19, 2007 0:09:39 GMT -5
The thing I didn't like about Hardaway was the fact that he came out later and apologized. If you don't mean it then you shoudn't say it. He meant it! Then the up-roar scared the ____ outta him!
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Post by phinehas on Feb 19, 2007 0:21:32 GMT -5
My fault, I wasn't clear enough. I meant that if he didn't mean his apology then he shoudn't have made an apology. I think his original words were is true feelings and he shouldn't have backed down. Take the consequences and move on.
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Post by lawman on Feb 19, 2007 0:27:16 GMT -5
Might be alot easier said than done! His apology doesn't lesson the effect of what he said.....and I am glad he spoke out! We need more that will.....
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Post by killer on Feb 19, 2007 11:30:52 GMT -5
Those who gathered to ban Hardaway are the ones who are in the wrong here. A person should be able to express their honest opinions when asked without being mobbed.
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 19, 2007 13:09:47 GMT -5
Those who gathered to ban Hardaway are the ones who are in the wrong here. A person should be able to express their honest opinions when asked without being mobbed. I agree with you on this. Maybe he should have picked his medium better, but he should not be mobbed or banned for speaking his mind. The only fault I can find with it, is making the statement in front of the press. Freedom of speech doesn't cover freedom to force a captive audience to hear you. Like Wayne and his "N" word on Friday.
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Post by killer on Feb 19, 2007 13:19:47 GMT -5
People can listen or not. And reporters can interview him or not. The problem here is that people gathered after his statements and decided to exclude him. That's moblike -- folks gathering and deciding to go against the guy. This behavior is far worse than Hardaway's statements.
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 19, 2007 13:25:25 GMT -5
It is. I agree, and like I keep saying, you can't get offended if you don't give people POWER to offend you, so people (gay, black, white, redneck, Hispanic, or whatever) should just get a thicker skin..Or like a a great friend always said "Be like a duck. Let the bad things roll off like water on a ducks back and keep swimming strait."
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Post by Twista on Feb 19, 2007 20:52:29 GMT -5
Hmm... Reminds me of a friend who told me about something like this... It seems a gay co-worker had told the guy that he acted like a homophobe. I asked him what did he do when the the gay guy looked at him and called him homophobic. He said, "I ran away"... LOL...
(Oh, and nice fight there guys... Who started it this time? LOL)
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Post by dixiepixie on Feb 20, 2007 0:26:22 GMT -5
People can listen or not. And reporters can interview him or not. The problem here is that people gathered after his statements and decided to exclude him. That's moblike -- folks gathering and deciding to go against the guy. This behavior is far worse than Hardaway's statements. If you are sitting in front of your TV or radio (Like Friday with Wayne), not knowing what is going to be said, and someone pops out a comment that is live and can not be bleeped, YOU ARE A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE. You are FORCED to hear something you did not want to hear. Another example: Two Fridays ago, my husband and I were eating lunch at The Golden Rule in Pell City. A woman sitting one table over from us was being very rude and LOUD. We were forced (she had the aisle blocked and we could not leave) to listen to her call the manager all sorts of names and curse anyone who looked her way. Our 2 year old picked up a very colorful word. You do NOT have the right to FORCE your opinions (or words) on someone else. On a forum, you can chose not to read, but in public and in a lot of situations in real life, other people force their thoughts onto the public. Your freedoms all come to a screeching halt when they infringe on someone else's.
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