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Post by lawman on Feb 27, 2007 8:36:14 GMT -5
Listen cut and paster- You are the fool! You follow which scriptures you want. Ephesians Chap 6 v 5 "Slaves, obey your masters here on Earth with fear and respect and from a sincere heart, just as you obey Christ." New Testament- SLAVERY- Now its in the scriptures but the brain God gave me lets me know slavery is wrong even though its in the scripture. Its literalists like you that can't THINK. There are tons of things in the BIBLE that I am sure you don't obey...but like many fundametalist you are focused on others' sins....or how "lost" I am.... It gives you some sense of superiority to think that you obey God while others thats interpret the Bible differently are "lost" You are a hypocrit. Perhaps if you had gone somewhere besides BOB JONES UNIVERSITY and were exposed to different people and different ideas you would be a better critical thinker. But like maqny fundamentalist, they like to insulate themselves in their MEGA-CHURCHES with peolple that think like them and can talk all day about how "lost" everybody is that doesn't think like them. to pervert-misuse or misunderstand---which is what you do You use your literal interpretation of the Bible like a WEAPON, and totally miss the message of Christ. People are capable of scrolling up and seeing previous posts. They don't need to be spoon fed like weak minded people like you need to be. You are a fool! I believe Family1st IS a Genuine Christian, rich, so in this case this scripture does apply! Scoff if you want.....but you are getting on 'thin ice' according to God's PURE TRUTH! Matthew 5:22 (King James Version) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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Post by sunshine on Feb 27, 2007 9:52:16 GMT -5
Remember the "beam" and "mote". And "judge not that ye be not judged".
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Post by lawman on Feb 27, 2007 10:07:06 GMT -5
Remember the "beam" and "mote". And "judge not that ye be not judged". No judging here! Just pointing out what God had said. HE is THE JUDGE!
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Post by richbrout on Feb 27, 2007 16:34:14 GMT -5
They ignore that part. Sunshine.
Homosexual "sin" is by definition, your neighbors' sin for heterosexual christians.
Let God Judge then........the rest of you can take a break.
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Post by lawman on Feb 27, 2007 18:19:01 GMT -5
They ignore that part. Sunshine. Homosexual "sin" is by definition, your neighbors' sin for heterosexual christians. Let God Judge then........the rest of you can take a break. You IGNORE the majority of the 100% pure Word of God, rich, and are not remotely understanding of it!
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Post by richbrout on Feb 27, 2007 19:20:46 GMT -5
Deja vu
I think we have reached the point where this is not constructive.
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Post by family1st on Feb 27, 2007 21:13:36 GMT -5
As all can see when Rich gets flusterred, he resorts to name calling, his spelling goes to hell in a handbasket, and he continues his baseless arguement. How hypocritical is to tell others to be tolerant and non-judgemental and then to move on to another thread and call James Dobson a "Freak". Has rich ever had anything nice to say about conservatives, fundamentalists, or George Bush??? No! There isn't a single person on this planet who hasn't made a value judgement about someone or something. As you can see from this thread, those that claim "do not judge lest you be judged" and "pull the timber out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck out of your brothers eye" don't have a problem judging others but cry "Foul" when others attempt to correct them. Moving on to Rich's recent post, I feel the need to once again correct his lack of understanding concerning the New Testament. Perhaps unbeknownst to Rich, slavery was common practice during that time period. This chapter deals with family relationships and how people should relate to each other. Since Rich is fond of saying that I have missed Christ's message, I thought it only appropriate to show him something else he missed. Matthew 25:21 His "Master" said to him, Well done my good and faithful "Servant"; because you were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your "Master". If we follow Rich's theory that homosexuality is not a sin because Christ did not name it or condemn it, then slavery becomes legitimized because Jesus didn't condemn it either. In fact, He used it in His parables. This should be a lesson to do your research before making false presumptions. How does one show "Love " to others. A parent shows love to a child by teaching them not to touch the stove, not to play in the street, and not to neglect their studies. Why??? Because most parents don't want to see their children come to harm, but want the best for them. The same applies to sin. "Love the sinner, hate the sin". True Christians want to help others avoid the consequences that result from falling into sin. Rich's faith wants others to be happy in their sin. In conclusion, I did attend a state Univ. before transfering to BJU. Most fundamental churches(of which you can't name one) do not have the attendance required to be considered Mega-churches. Fundamental churches are more concerned with church planting and ministry than numbers. Ours has under 50. But you wouldn't know this because research isn't one of your strong points. Maybe you should ask Blondie(whom I disagree with but respect his debating skills) for some research tips and advice. Then maybe next time you'll be better prepared for this weak-minded fool of a simpleton.
Thanks to lawman for your fervent support.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 27, 2007 23:52:39 GMT -5
It would take an hour to refute all the crap you post in your ridiculously long post, but at least you have realized its foolish to constantly cut and paste others' posts. The day a close minded fool like you gets me flustered..well, it hasn't come yet. So, your logic is that I am a hypocrit-when I call you out for judging others even though you claim to interpret the Bible literally and it speaks against judging others. Then you try to claim I try to change the focus? You are the one that dodged your hypocrisy by trying to put the focus on me. Your logic on the verse on slavery is weak. "slavery was common practice during that time period" so sin is time specific? The bible is timeless and true then and true now right? How could something not be a sin then, because it was common or popular, but now its evil??? Sounds like a serious dose of relativism. The problem with your "love your children" analogy.....Other FREE ADULTS are not your children that need or want your "guidance". Thats a pretty condescending attitude. Its that" I am saved, you are lost" condescending attitude thats turned so many people off on proselytizing evangelicals. I want people to make up their own minds-kinda like God intended with the freewill he gave us. Fundamentalist churches: Shades Mtn Church of Christ Riverchase Church of Christ Hoover Church of Christ There's three right near where I live so again you are WRONG! Churches nearby I would consider Mega_Churches: Shades Mtn Independent Briarwood Brookhills Hunter Street shades Mtn baptist etc etc etc At least you agree you are weak-minded simpleton. Luckily for you, with your attitude about Christianity, you won't be required to think much.
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Post by family1st on Feb 28, 2007 6:46:44 GMT -5
Yes Rich, you were flusterred. At least this time your spelling has improved. Secondly, no amount of time will allow you to refute my arguements just as you haven't been able to refute my previous arguements. Saying you don't believe a verse that even a simpleton can understand doesn't refute an arguement. You claim that because Jesus didn't condemn homosexuality it is ok, but you then try to make a different arguement for slavery. Absurdity!! You didn't pick up on the fact that the verse wasn't about whether it was evil or wrong, but that it how slaves and masters should behave towards each other. That verse is just as much apart of Christs message as anything else. As far as the churches go Rich, You are WRONG. None of those churches are considered fundamentalist churches. Even the most conservative of them, Briarwood, is a "Presbyterian" church. While they may be conservative in their teachings, they don't fall under the definition of a fundamentalist church. Also from the beginning of this thread please refute these verses. 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 A person has free-will to choose whether or not to accept Christ. One does not have free-will to choose what not to accept. This is sort of the terms of a contract. You can't sign your name at the bottom and then try to change the terms of the contract. Again, to use your favorite "Christ's message" against you. Your use of insults doesn't reflect well on your arguement or your "Christian" character.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 28, 2007 7:52:53 GMT -5
Oh I see. So throughout the Bible, God tells us what is right and wrong. But on one of the greatest sins in the history of Humanity.....ENSLAVING OTHER HUMANS....He just instructs on how we are supposed to behave within the evil system and no instruction on how to resist it or change it. Thats crap (a word probably not allowed at Bob Jones). You are the one that takes the BIBLE literally...not me, so picking any verse from the Bible-SHOULD ALWAYS apply to you, but doesn't neccesarily apply to me. Paul wrote Corinthians and Timothy, not JESUS. Obviously people DO have a freewill on what they accept or do not accept. I can choose to allow others to make their choices in life as I have made choices in my own life. I don't BELIEVE like you do. Let's take BOB JONES for example. I would never choose to go to a school that didn't allow interracial dating or that tried to restrict students' behavior to such an extreme measure. www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/dress.htmlBut you obviously did. I don't need the world of 6 Billion people to conform to my view of the world. It will NEVER HAPPEN. This is getting old. You and your fundamentalist crowd are being marginalized in the political process and I couldn't be happier. You won't have a candidate in the next Presidential election and the Dems own both houses so I won't have to worry about you or your little group. You can call radio shows or get on message boards and thats about it. I'm bored with this, its unproductive.
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Post by espy on Feb 28, 2007 10:06:48 GMT -5
"family1st", richbrout represents what this country is coming to and as a Christian you should know that Christians will be the minority near the end. We may be a small group but we are supported by a higher athority, God will have his judgement on all those who conform to the will of the devil (society). We love all those who hate us and take all they throw at us, but we will be rewarded for our patience. PEACE TO ALL
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Post by richbrout on Feb 28, 2007 16:36:09 GMT -5
Thank you Espy!!!!
I'm glad you are comfortable with your new role in our society. So be content you are in a shrinking minority since you understand its God's plan and you don't want to fight God's plan? Right. Live and Let Live.
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Post by lawman on Feb 28, 2007 16:46:06 GMT -5
Thank you Espy!!!! I'm glad you are comfortable with your new role in our society. So be content you are in a shrinking minority since you understand its God's plan and you don't want to fight God's plan? Right. Live and Let Live. What are you talking about rich? You are beginning to sound Literally insane
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Post by jc on Feb 28, 2007 18:03:28 GMT -5
Hey Rich, you really me make me insane! I think it was Tuesday when you called Burt and Kurt and said that people that were homosexual could not help it, that they were born that way. Did you hear the callers after you? I agree with them, What do you say to the pedophile that says he can't help it, he was born like that. Does that mean it is ok, it must be natural cause he has always been attracted to little girls? What do you say to that? I also don't think you can compare a homosexual to a white, black person, or , Jew or to anyone else! Its laughable! I don't think gays should be attacked, or scorned, but I don't agree with it and I don't have too! I will tell my kids that it is wrong just like pedophiles are wrong! and yes, I can compare a homosexual with a pedophile! Their sexual preferences are perverse!
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Post by richbrout on Feb 28, 2007 18:48:10 GMT -5
Homosexuality involves two consenting adults.
Pedophilia involves a non-consenting minor. Surely you can understand that they are very different.
This is a free country..what happened to live and let live.
Lawman...You were already acting like Familys' lap dog and now you are cut and pasting posts just like him. Its unnecessary to reprint a post that is inches above.
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Post by lawman on Feb 28, 2007 18:57:04 GMT -5
rich, I haven't pasted anything in this Thread! What are you talking about? I don't defend Family1st! I defend the the TRUTH!
You NEED an experience with HIM....The Truth
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Post by richbrout on Feb 28, 2007 19:34:06 GMT -5
check 5 posts up. I am worried about you, you don't remember what you did earlier today, are you insane??
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Post by lawman on Feb 28, 2007 19:39:38 GMT -5
check 5 posts up. I am worried about you, you don't remember what you did earlier today, are you insane?? You mock the Word of God, you have attempted to smear those REAL CHRISTIANS ( which you absolutely are not one ) and I believe you are even more of a 'servant of the devil' than blondie, BECAUSE YOU 'POSE' as a Christian!
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Post by richbrout on Feb 28, 2007 20:02:51 GMT -5
QUIT REPOSTING MY POSTS!!!!!!!!
ARE YOU STUPID??? you reposted a post 4 inches below the original.
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Post by family1st on Feb 28, 2007 21:27:40 GMT -5
Oh I see. So throughout the Bible, God tells us what is right and wrong. But on one of the greatest sins in the history of Humanity.....ENSLAVING OTHER HUMANS....He just instructs on how we are supposed to behave within the evil system and no instruction on how to resist it or change it. Thats crap (a word probably not allowed at Bob Jones). You are the one that takes the BIBLE literally...not me, so picking any verse from the Bible-SHOULD ALWAYS apply to you, but doesn't neccesarily apply to me. Paul wrote Corinthians and Timothy, not JESUS. Obviously people DO have a freewill on what they accept or do not accept. I can choose to allow others to make their choices in life as I have made choices in my own life. I don't BELIEVE like you do. Let's take BOB JONES for example. I would never choose to go to a school that didn't allow interracial dating or that tried to restrict students' behavior to such an extreme measure. www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/dress.htmlBut you obviously did. I don't need the world of 6 Billion people to conform to my view of the world. It will NEVER HAPPEN. This is getting old. You and your fundamentalist crowd are being marginalized in the political process and I couldn't be happier. You won't have a candidate in the next Presidential election and the Dems own both houses so I won't have to worry about you or your little group. You can call radio shows or get on message boards and thats about it. I'm bored with this, its unproductive. Questions for Rich: 1. How many books of the Bible did Jesus write and what are the names of those books? 2. Is the Bible full of errors or is it perfect and inspired in its entirety? 3. How does one decide whether certain behaviors in the Bible are sin or not? 4. Was Jesus in error for not condemning slavery just as he didn't condemn homosexuality? 5. What does Christ's message say about casting insults at me and others that disagree with you?
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Post by espy on Mar 1, 2007 2:24:08 GMT -5
family1st, you cannot argue with someone like richbrout, he has a "liberal Cristian agenda". No amount of Gods word can break his spirit. We are to live like Jesus and talk like Jesus, that is the way to change the minds of people who think Christians are overzealous. I, like you cannot stand to see or hear someone call themselves a Christian in one breath and say that homosexuality is not a sin in the other, then to top it off with such animosity towards those who would like to help him see the truth.
We should not argue Gods word, it speaks for itself, all we are to do is pass the message and love the sinner.
Richbrout, you must have had a tough childhood to harbor such anger. Family1st is only trying to give you Gods word.
God himself called homosexuality an abomination to his perfect creation ( not in those words ) he didn't create two women and two men for them to chose whether or not they wanted the same sex or not, that is just a perversion created by satan to accuse Gods children of.
Another question for you Rich: what were the reasons God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah? Look to Las Vegas for your answer.
and please try to hold your temper this is just a discussion
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Post by espy on Mar 1, 2007 2:33:50 GMT -5
Thank you Espy!!!! I'm glad you are comfortable with your new role in our society. So be content you are in a shrinking minority since you understand its God's plan and you don't want to fight God's plan? Right. Live and Let Live. Brother, the scriptures have pointed out that God followers will be few in the end. so, yes I am content to be in the minority, I wouldn't want to be in the vast group who wont accept ALL His word. I would rather be a slave and go to heaven than be a wealthy man and go to hell. thank you for the complement..........peace
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Post by brandon on Mar 1, 2007 4:12:05 GMT -5
All of you are gay.
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Post by richbrout on Mar 1, 2007 7:50:24 GMT -5
I will no longer respond to posts that include my own posts, reposted. It is my personal boycott of what i consider weak minded behavior. starting after this post:
I will say to first: 1. 0- it was written by humans who last I checked all have sin and are fallible. 2. plenty of things in the Bible that i don't believe 3. They use their brain-common sense-I know killing fortune tellers is wrong,slavery(no brainer),railing on others for their sins is something Christ spoke against 4. Jesus said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".....Can you find me someone that wants to be enslaved? That is a condemnation of slavery. 5. Honestly, It is a sin and my personal weakness. It is often difficult in heated discussions that people are passionate about to not insult, ESPECIALLY when you are insulted. But when i see group of people maligned, demonized for who they love... I WILL ALWAYS STAND UP FOR THEM. I know alot of gay people and i will always stand up for their right to live their lives the way they choose in this free country.
Lawman-last i checked Las Vegas is the fastest growing city in US, so its thriving. NEXT!
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Post by espy on Mar 1, 2007 10:31:45 GMT -5
Its great you are taking a stand against those who use your quotes..you must be a stand up guy.
You, however may want to use the quote button so you can accurately answer someones statement. Of course Las Veges is the fastest growing city, its one of the only places in America where prostitution and gambling is legal. And as I said If you don't believe All Gods word then there is nothing that can be said to you. It takes more than believing in Christ to be a Christian, you have to believe all gods word to be a Christian, if that was all it took then you can say that satan is a Christian because he knows Christ too. Ridiculous....
Also, quoting someone is not weak minded, but being offended when someone uses your quotes is.
You cannot insult me.
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Post by brandon on Mar 1, 2007 10:37:20 GMT -5
I will no longer respond to posts that include my own posts, reposted. It is my personal boycott of what i consider weak minded behavior. So this is all we have to do to shut you up? Thanks for the info.
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Post by rich on Apr 5, 2007 11:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by fragerella on Apr 6, 2007 11:10:55 GMT -5
teehee....
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Post by rich on Apr 6, 2007 17:07:06 GMT -5
Glad you found it funny, fragella. I was half afraid I'd log in this morning and find I'd been skewered mercilessly for condoning the gay agenda.
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