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Post by deovindice on Mar 30, 2007 7:44:56 GMT -5
Three cheers for the troop "surge", or increase as it would normally be referred to were our government not attempting to subvert the truth.
An amazing success, indeed. Sarcasm intended.
MSNBC News Services Updated: 2:18 a.m. CT March 30, 2007
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Five suicide bombers struck Shiite marketplaces in northeast Baghdad and a town north of the capital at nightfall Thursday, killing at least 125 people and wounding more than 150 in one of Iraq’s deadliest days in years.
Enough of this madness. Bring the troops home.
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Post by espy on Mar 30, 2007 9:04:27 GMT -5
Here's the problem, these muslim extremists are fighting a holy war with us and they will not stop until we are defeated (all of us dead). Its an unfortunate thing that our power hungry president got us into this fight but if we pull out and even give a date to do so, the muslims will feel empowered that they have fought back the most powerful Christan country in the world, this would only give them the boost they need to bring those suicide bombers here to us.
We take if for granted that we haven't had a suicide bomber here at a mall, church, school..etc. but believe me, its coming, think about all those unchecked shipping containers that have found their way around our country......have you ever played chess.....its my belief that they are getting supplies to strategic spots around the country before launching their attack with their sleeper cells here. God forbid they are strategically placing nukes for a coordinated attack.
There is no solution to this battle but total annihilation of the muslim extremist which we all know is next to impossible unless we destroy the earth. Muslims want nothing but total world domination with no Christians left. And they are proud to admit it.
Sorry to sound so negative about it but all the signs I see are adding up to this being the last battle the world will see. At no point in history has the muslim nation as a whole had the resources and the drive to launch a campaign to wipe out all those who do not believe in mohammed and they are more than willing to start a war that they know will ultimately destroy the world in his name. They are taught from birth that it is mohammed's' wish for them to die in the act of killing Christians, they don't have "the American dream" of having their own life here on earth. That is just an illusion we have created for ourselves. The Bible says that the earth will be consumed by fire, it pains me to believe it because of my children but that day may be coming sooner than we might think.
This isn't gloom and doom thinking, its being aware of the big picture and the nature of the beast we call war, with their ideology this war will not end even if we pull out of the whole middle east. In their eyes we started the war and they would be dishonoring mohommed if they backed down before we were destroyed......they will bring the fight to us........lets just be prepared for life as we know it coming to an end.
If any one disagrees with this statement it is only because you cannot cope with the idea that our great president may have started the last war on earth.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 30, 2007 10:58:07 GMT -5
Yeah, you can make an educated and informed appraisal of the 'surge' right now.
After all, it hasn't even been completed- only about a fifth of the additional troops are in theater- and the troops who are there have only been conducting the 'surge' for about a month.
It's like reading a history of WW2 that covers only the first year and concluding who won.
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Post by teddy on Mar 30, 2007 21:42:13 GMT -5
Yeah, you can make an educated and informed appraisal of the 'surge' right now. After all, it hasn't even been completed- only about a fifth of the additional troops are in theater- and the troops who are there have only been conducting the 'surge' for about a month. It's like reading a history of WW2 that covers only the first year and concluding who won. This isn't WW2 dumb shit. Certainly not the fantasy version you imagine.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 30, 2007 22:39:46 GMT -5
>EDIT<
I should know better than to feed the trolls.
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Post by espy on Mar 30, 2007 23:05:03 GMT -5
I wonder if teddy is trying to show of how big his/her vocabulary is. And with such a cavalier attitude towards others on this site I would bet its someone who has been here often and is trying to hide their identity.
That kind of talk is not needed in any discussion unless you are wanting to start a fight.
Grow up.......
W.O.M.I., Your right.....
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Post by tusker on Mar 31, 2007 0:05:59 GMT -5
The Bible says that the earth will be consumed by fire, it pains me to believe it because of my children but that day may be coming sooner than we might think. The Bible states the world will be burned after the 1000 Reign of Jesus and that the burning is a divine act, not that of war. It actually leads to a new Heaven and a new Earth. There's no doubt the end of life as we know it is growing closer everyday and the this modern conflict with extreme Muslims will play some sort of part, but this is far from the last war on Earth. As a side note, not to be gloomy, but the United States is never directly mentioned in end time prophecy. That doesn't mean the country will be gone, but the power we've enjoyed for about a century isn't too long for this world.
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Post by Ronald on Mar 31, 2007 1:03:52 GMT -5
"The Bible states the world will be burned after the 1000 Reign of Jesus and that the burning is a divine act, not that of war. It actually leads to a new Heaven and a new Earth."
The burning is probably global warming and the fortunate few will be moving to Mars to survive!!!
"As a side note, not to be gloomy, but the United States is never directly mentioned in end time prophecy. That doesn't mean the country will be gone, but the power we've enjoyed for about a century isn't too long for this world."
What would a bunch of old jews know about america anyway? We will end up living like the mexicans with every generation worse off than the one before. But our leaders will still pick fights and young men will have to go get killed in hopes of feeding their families. The fights will just be with little countries like south american ones so we can still pay "defense" companies all the tax dollars instead of using them for good!!!
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Post by deovindice on Mar 31, 2007 5:39:26 GMT -5
>EDIT< I should know better than to feed the trolls. WOMI, Sorry you were insulted. We don't need that crap here.
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Post by deovindice on Mar 31, 2007 6:10:53 GMT -5
You are correct about the jihadists fighting a holy war with us, but we need to start fighting a holy war with them. Until the country sees the war for what it really is, good people die for nothing. Muslims need to feel empowered? Friend, Muslims view dying for Allah as the ultimate sacrifice. The promise of hooking up with their 72 "hoes" is what they live for. And die for. If terrorists really wanted to get in here, and I've said this probably a hundred times, the border allows them that opportunity without much of a challenge, and it would only take ONE of them to kidnap a family in their home, video-tape a mass beheading, send it out over the internet, and the country would vapor-lock. Wake up to the fact that the threat of domestic terrorism is just a way to allow the government to put measures in place that will facilitate it's taking more power and instituting more control over the citizenry. If what you say is true, then the defense of the US should be paramount, and that requires that we pull our troops out of the civil war infested place called Iraq, and utilize them HERE. The insurgents going to Iraq are supported by Muslim nations around the world, and shipping containers loaded with weapons of their choice could come from anywhere: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, etc. You pick a country. We need to secure our own borders. That should have been the very first item to be dealt with. You are correct in stating that Muslims want Christians eradicated, and that goes for the Jews as well. However, until we ourselves are proud to admit that Islam, and not just the extremist practitioners thereof, must be vanquished and erased from the earth, then we are not admitting what this fight is really about. It is possible that prophecies are coming true, but we can't know that. I personally don't feel that the time is right, but then, I can't begin to fathom God's plans. We pulled out of Vietnam, and the only thing that came to our shores were refugees. My faith allows me to cope with that possibility.
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Post by deovindice on Mar 31, 2007 6:29:07 GMT -5
I've a problem understanding this "surge" thing. First, why the verbiage? It just reeks of political subterfuge, and that belies a motive or motives that are less than honorable. More importantly, we are so bent out of shape about announcing a pull-out date as though that will embolden the idiots. Why then do we announce a "surge"? I'm sure that even the most astute translators at their disposal had to look up the word. If we wanted to merely increase troop levels and employ new tactics, why then didn't we just do it and not announce it? We worry about tapping phones in the interest of national security, but we then announce our war plans? We proverbially crap our pants over light boards in Boston but we tell the ones we are fighting that we will concentrate more forces in their area so they can prepare? This isn't adding up. Funny you should mention WWII. That brings Europe to mind and I believe Europe will be a key component in this Islam thing. You do, I'm sure, realize that the continent is being overrun by the bastards. I don't think it will take much longer until the old monied classes will start to feel threatened. A lot of people there are souring on Pan-Europeanism and will re-institute old national sovereignties. ................and they will begin dusting off the ovens at Auschwitz and Buchenwald. They are good at that sort of thing.
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Post by deovindice on Mar 31, 2007 8:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by espy on Mar 31, 2007 10:34:53 GMT -5
Revelation 18 1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. 3For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; 5for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. 6Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup. 7Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.' 8Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
9"When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'
11"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— 12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.
14"They will say, 'The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' 15The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn 16and cry out: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! 17In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!'
"Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' 19They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin! 20Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.' "
21Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again. 22The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No workman of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again. 23The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world's great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray. 24In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth."
I know the usa isnt named but I think we fit the bill.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 31, 2007 13:07:53 GMT -5
Well, you've got to call it something, don't you?
Seriously, why do the Democrats call it an "escalation"? Could it be because that was their term of choice when referring to just about anything in terms of Vietnam, and that term has been given very negative connotations? If Iraq is the same as Vietnam, and they defeated the effort in Vietnam by demoninzing the strategery, then the Democrat Party playbook is to recycle all their old ideas and try to make the American public think that history is repeating itself.
As far as whether publicly laying out the 'surge' strategery is the same as telling your enemy the date certain that you'll surrender to them, I'd say that no, it's not the same...not even close.
Look at it this way, using yet another WW2 analogy.
The Germans knew that, eventually, we'd have to invade Europe, almost certainly through France. You could even say that the Germans, having access to the same time-and-tide tables that the Allies did, could narrow down the windows during which an invasion would be launched without undue interference from high tides, full moons and the like.
However, setting a date certain for us to pull out of Iraq would be like telling the Germans that we intended to invade on June 6th, 1944 specifically. It goes a great deal further than merely tipping one's hand.
Mark Steyn would completely agree with you on this one. I should be gettng his book "America Alone" here pretty soon so I'll be able to render a more informed opinion of his ideas after reading it but, essentially, he says that white Europeans will become the minority in virutally ALL European nations within the next 50 years with some, like Spain, within the next 15 years. It's due largely to the low birthrates among non-immigrants versus the extraordiarily high birthrates of Muslim immigrants. Muslims will bide their time- they're very good at that- until they becme the voting majority and then they can institute sharia law for European common law. At that point, it's game over.....
....unless, as you state, Europeans renounce democracies/republics and re-establish hereditary monarchies- or, worse yet, totalitarian regimes. At that point, you have civil war between Europeans and Muslims. Maybe Britain and, possibly, Germany might re-emerge from the wars as 'traditional' European nations but I seriously doubt that Spain or France or Italy would bother to put up much of a fight as they are consumed.
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Post by dixie56 on Mar 31, 2007 21:32:14 GMT -5
Look, as far as politics there are NO accidents. When are people going to realize that we are being played like pieces on a chess board? It is really not that hard to see.
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Post by lawman on Mar 31, 2007 21:34:42 GMT -5
Look, as far as politics there are NO accidents. When are people going to realize that we are being played like pieces on a chess board? It is really not that hard to see. You've got to want the TRUTH....to see it! 99 out of a 100 don't want it!
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Post by dixie56 on Mar 31, 2007 22:01:06 GMT -5
Lawman, you are totally right. Do I want to see the truth? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! However, I cannot escape it. I have to deal with it as hard as it is. It is hard to swallow, but I cannot turn my back on it for my kids sake. I owe it to my children even though they do not have a clue what is happening and how it affects their future.
If you are really aware and can think outside the box and conect the dots there is no other conclusion. it is not just happening in America. Read other sources and you will see that this is happening all over.
I am not trying to get on anyones case I am just saying that you have to look at resourses and see if YOU see things fit.
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Post by lawman on Mar 31, 2007 22:10:26 GMT -5
YOU 'DONE' GOOD......Good night!
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Post by tusker on Apr 1, 2007 2:20:32 GMT -5
I know the usa isnt named but I think we fit the bill. Actually, that passage is referring to the future capital of a one world government...some say it is actually the rebuilt city of Babylon and some say it is Rome. Whichever it is or if it is some other city then that is the actual place that will be destroyed. And in fact, this takes place well into the Tribulation period. If the US is still around by that point at all, it will be a non-player in the world. Most of the world's population has died by that point. This also takes place well after the Rapture. If one is a true believer in Jesus Christ then you won't be around to see the destruction of any nation.
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 3:18:55 GMT -5
Where did you 'hear' that lie....'Rapture?' There is no Rapture...that's a FALSE word....made up by ignorant, deceived men!
Read King James Version: 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2
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Post by tusker on Apr 1, 2007 3:34:52 GMT -5
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 3:38:46 GMT -5
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
That day you call 'Rapture' cannot happen until after this!
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 3:43:00 GMT -5
You need to read Revelation 22:18--19
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 1, 2007 4:26:04 GMT -5
Keep showing how you can talk the talk....LOL...As a Christian, I have never claimed I am perfect, in fact I repeat over and over that ALL have sinned and ALL fall short of the Glory, but YOU want to make people think you are perfect.
It's nice that you keep proving you are just what everyone thinks you are, loser.
Matthew says it best:
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 4:29:38 GMT -5
Wow, you COMPLETELY summed up yourself, IDIOT!
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 1, 2007 4:34:03 GMT -5
Wow, you COMPLETELY summed up yourself, IDIOT! I'm still waiting on you to show some proof of all these false claims you keep making. You are digging a hole you aren't able to crawl out of. Where is the proof of my lies? Where is the proof that I attacked you in any way? I willingly admit that I have defended myself at every turn, but you are the instigator. You should just go away and leave the normal decent people alone. I for one just won't be bothered by you, so you can consider yourself dismissed.
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 4:40:23 GMT -5
Wow, you COMPLETELY summed up yourself, IDIOT! I'm still waiting on you to show some proof of all these false claims you keep making. You are digging a hole you aren't able to crawl out of. Where is the proof of my lies? Where is the proof that I attacked you in any way? I willingly admit that I have defended myself at every turn, but you are the instigator. You should just go away and leave the normal decent people alone. I for one just won't be bothered by you, so you can consider yourself dismissed. Then take your own advice---SHUT-UP and go away! Someone told me last night, how phony and deceitful you are, and have been for over a year...on all these forums...you have tried to ''spoil' for people who want to post and be LEFT ALONE!
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Post by billt on Apr 1, 2007 10:24:02 GMT -5
as one of the targets of the behavior, i concur, there are a few here only to disrupt, not contribute.
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 10:55:33 GMT -5
I'm still waiting on you to show some proof of all these false claims you keep making. You are digging a hole you aren't able to crawl out of. Where is the proof of my lies? Where is the proof that I attacked you in any way? I willingly admit that I have defended myself at every turn, but you are the instigator. You should just go away and leave the normal decent people alone. I for one just won't be bothered by you, so you can consider yourself dismissed. Then take your own advice---SHUT-UP and go away! Someone told me last night, how phony and deceitful you are, and have been for over a year...on all these forums...you have tried to ''spoil' for people who want to post and be LEFT ALONE! I think we all are a bit phony and deceitful, there are a lot of post by almost everyone that proves just that. It seems that everyone wants to be the one to get the last word in. You keep this crap up like she's your ex-wife. You DONT have to respond to any of her posts, you aren't proving anything to anyone about how she acts, but what you are doing is proving that you can act just like you claim she does. personally, I think I'm back in high school with all this bickering, its absolutely childish, it seems that there are only a few people here that actually want to discuss issues, most everyone else is finding this a place to act like a 5 year old and get away with it. I tell you, If these were face to face conversations I bet we wouldn't act like such babies, and if you did I don't think anyone would stand for it. lawman, whoever you are, you are starting to act like this is your personal website and its really sad, especially when I first thought you might have a level head on your shoulders. I think we should use our real names and phone numbers here and lets see how big we talk then, I bet most of us would be embarrassed if anyone we knew read what we put up on this board. Its something how people talk when they don't think anyone knows who they really are.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 1, 2007 15:15:25 GMT -5
If you can't arge the points, attack the messenger.
Sure, it's the next to last refuge of a scoundrel but, if the aim is to derail or end a debate by provoking others to respond in kind, it's all too often pretty damn effective.
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