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Post by blondie on Apr 1, 2007 15:32:27 GMT -5
tusker, You're a premillenial dispensationalist? I just finished this book: www.amazon.com/Left-Behind-Facts-Fiction/dp/081701490XThe only thing I learned was that not even conservative seminaries teach this stuff anymore, if they ever did. It's just pop culture. Don't forget according to this philosophy the Antichrist should have come to power in 1988.
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Post by tusker on Apr 2, 2007 21:56:48 GMT -5
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
That day you call 'Rapture' cannot happen until after this! You have to read the passage more closely. "The day of the Lord" refers to the millenial kingdom, not the rapture or a time immediately following the rapture. Paul had people on his hands that believed the earthly kingdom of Jesus Christ had already come. This could not come until the anti-christ had been revealed and the tribulation period had passed. The actual "coming" is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The rapture is not a "coming." It's just a key end time event. Again, you have to reconcile what you're saying with 1 Corinthians 15.
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Post by tusker on Apr 2, 2007 22:18:59 GMT -5
tusker, You're a premillenial dispensationalist? I just finished this book: www.amazon.com/Left-Behind-Facts-Fiction/dp/081701490XThe only thing I learned was that not even conservative seminaries teach this stuff anymore, if they ever did. It's just pop culture. Don't forget according to this philosophy the Antichrist should have come to power in 1988. It's not possible for the Antichirst to come to power in any specific predetermined year. The Antichrist appears shortly after the rapture which is an event described as one that "no man will know the day or the time." I'm familiar with the theory you're talking about. That the Antichrist would have to come 40 years after the refounding of Israel. Some have stated that this, but were clearly misinterpreting scripture. The generation that saw Israel return will not pass until the rapture has taken place. This could very well mean that they won't all die off. One way or the other, no prophecy can specifically determine a year.
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Post by lawman on Apr 2, 2007 23:16:34 GMT -5
THERE IS NO RAPTURE!! That is a False teaching and 'add to' word! If I were you, I'd be CAREFUL, to not preach that! YOU'RE WRONG---It is not correct, and is deceptive!
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Post by tusker on Apr 2, 2007 23:42:28 GMT -5
THERE IS NO RAPTURE!! That is a False teaching and 'add to' word! If I were you, I'd be CAREFUL, to not preach that! YOU'RE WRONG---It is not correct, and is deceptive! You still haven't proven to me that I'm incorrect. I have no desire to preach anything that isn't correct. If there is no "rapture" then what is your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15 along with a handful of other passages?
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Post by lawman on Apr 3, 2007 0:01:02 GMT -5
There is NO 'RAPTURE' teaching in the Bible! No word 'rapture!' Men who wanted to dream up an easy way of avoiding the TRUTH DREAMED UP THAT LIE!
Believe what you want!
King James Version: 2 Corinthians Chapter 3:5--6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Post by brandon on Apr 3, 2007 0:25:15 GMT -5
King James Version: 2 Corinthians Chapter 3:5--6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Blah blah blah, none of this means anything. You're just rambling. I could just pick out Bible verses and post them here. None of your rambling means shit.
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Post by lawman on Apr 3, 2007 5:51:27 GMT -5
To a 'Drunkard' and Heathen phony.....I'm sure it doesn't mean much?
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 3, 2007 6:28:11 GMT -5
1 Corinthians Chapter 15:25 Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed, in an instant, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 3, 2007 7:37:01 GMT -5
While we're quoting scriptures so freely...
Acts 19:32 --
"Some therefore cried one thing and some another, for the assembly was confused, and most of them did not know why they had come together."
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Post by blondie on Apr 3, 2007 9:23:18 GMT -5
While we're quoting scriptures so freely... Acts 19:32 -- "Some therefore cried one thing and some another, for the assembly was confused, and most of them did not know why they had come together." This is a great example of how not to read the Bible. This is a line from a story in Acts, yet you just yank it out of context to make some arbitrary point. Here, let me try that. Two lines down: Acts 19:34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great [is] Diana of the Ephesians.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 3, 2007 9:39:03 GMT -5
This is a great example of how not to read the Bible. This is a line from a story in Acts, yet you just yank it out of context to make some arbitrary point. How not to read the Bible? I simply posted a verse verbatim. I see you have obtained some supernatural power that you claim doesn't exist...mind-reading... On second thought, it must not be super-natural, since you're not very good at it... You might also try developing a sense of humor...although it seems obvious that you don't want one...
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Post by blondie on Apr 3, 2007 12:02:54 GMT -5
This is a great example of how not to read the Bible. This is a line from a story in Acts, yet you just yank it out of context to make some arbitrary point. How not to read the Bible? I simply posted a verse verbatim. I see you have obtained some supernatural power that you claim doesn't exist...mind-reading... On second thought, it must not be super-natural, since you're not very good at it... You might also try developing a sense of humor...although it seems obvious that you don't want one... My Bible verse was funnier than yours.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 3, 2007 14:27:48 GMT -5
My Bible verse was funnier than yours. ok
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 3, 2007 19:40:05 GMT -5
I find that the following verses soothe me:
Armaments Chapter Two Verses Nine to Twenty One
"And St. Attila raised his hand grenade up on high saying "O Lord bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. " And the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and... "
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"... and the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
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