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Post by bamagatr on Apr 12, 2007 16:26:51 GMT -5
I heard they got fired because a caller said bitch and n-word on the air... Is this true? *Dale Edit - no this is not why, the station and us do not fit, that is the reason.They shouldn't get fired for that...engineers should get fired for that...
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Post by thedooderino on Apr 12, 2007 16:34:41 GMT -5
Exactly. I know Mark Harvard is way too fast on the dump button for this to have gone out over the air unless he was asleep at the wheel... which is about never.
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Apr 12, 2007 16:34:42 GMT -5
I would question the factuality of your pot shots but there is no question that they are of low class. Dale and Chris lost their JOBS yesterday....have some basic decency. Why not question the "factuality" of my "pot shots?" Upon reflection the "speech therapy" jibe was inaccurate. I had to stop listening because Dale Jackson's bad grammar proved infectious. Nevertheless, you might have noticed that I referred to the supposed "pot shots" as backhanded compliments. They are not yet the professional broadcasters that I do actually expect them to become. I agreed with them enough and came near to calling myself a fan of the show. What you need to keep in mind is that they are fired. They are not dead. Their future success will be better served by honest if not positive feedback than sycophantic drivel.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 12, 2007 16:43:39 GMT -5
Exactly. I know Mark Harvard is way too fast on the dump button for this to have gone out over the air unless he was asleep at the wheel... which is about never. Mark was always on top of the game. At times we would disagree over the things he would dump. He was always right, I was pigheaded. Either way this has nothing to do with it. Reason - the station and us do not fit.
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Post by syme on Apr 12, 2007 16:45:20 GMT -5
Changing what you said, from him needing a speech therapist, to something he could alter, such as the correctness of his grammar, would have resulted in a different response from me. As it stood, my comments were not sycophantic drivel but common manners, which apparently you didn't feel a need to exhibit.
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Post by steven on Apr 12, 2007 16:52:43 GMT -5
What I would like to see is some radio station to pick up Chris and Dale, Russ and Dee. That would give Crawford Broadcasting a run for their money.
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Apr 12, 2007 16:54:35 GMT -5
Changing what you said, from him needing a speech therapist, to something he could alter, such as the correctness of his grammar, would have resulted in a different response from me. As it stood, my comments were not sycophantic drivel but common manners, which apparently you didn't feel a need to exhibit. Speech therapy is a process of altering mispronounciations. It is a thing that can be altered. What is common about these manners that you refer to?
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Post by matt b on Apr 12, 2007 16:57:49 GMT -5
They are not profesionals and that is what I enjoyed about the show. I listen to Rick and Bubba from 6-10 but the 5:00 hour that I listened to was great.
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Post by syme on Apr 12, 2007 17:00:11 GMT -5
Maybe it is not so common after all, for people to have the manners of not kicking people while they are down. Maybe you had a Daddy who beat your ass when you came home from a losing ball game and therefore it doesn't seem out of place to you.
If you don't see a problem with it, then continue to point out all their faults as you see it.
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Apr 12, 2007 17:08:59 GMT -5
Maybe it is not so common after all, for people to have the manners of not kicking people while they are down. Maybe you had a Daddy who beat your ass when you came home from a losing ball game and therefore it doesn't seem out of place to you. If you don't see a problem with it, then continue to point out all their faults as you see it. No one has beaten anyone's ass here. And I doubt that I have pointed out any where close to all of their faults. For those that do not so struggle with reading comprehension as yourself there is a message of hope interlaced in my admittedly acerbic comments.
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Post by syme on Apr 12, 2007 17:20:28 GMT -5
"message of hope"......I guess I missed that among the insults you gave them. I like the fact that you say you haven't come close to pointing out all of their faults. Why don't you continue then with your insults to them and intersperse some more towards me while you are at it. You seem quite comfortable in doing so. I understand that you are being defensive about your remarks and you should be.
Again, if you do not feel that your remarks were out of line, then continue. To do otherwise, would at least show some residue of intellectual honesty. Good day.
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Apr 12, 2007 17:25:34 GMT -5
"message of hope"......I guess I missed that among the insults you gave them. I like the fact that you say you haven't come close to pointing out all of their faults. Why don't you continue then with your insults to them and intersperse some more towards me while you are at it. You seem quite comfortable in doing so. I understand that you are being defensive about your remarks and you should be. Again, if you do not feel that your remarks were out of line, then continue. To do otherwise, would at least show some residue of intellectual honesty. Good day. Actually, I had said all that I'd intended to say before you felt the need to insult me.
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Post by family1st on Apr 12, 2007 18:46:39 GMT -5
To those that celebrated the demise of "The Russ and Dee Show" and now cry " It's a Christian Conspiracy":
HERE'S SALT IN YOUR EYES!!!!
Chris and Dale- It was fun and informative while it lasted. May God bless you in your future pursuits.
Family1st
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 12, 2007 19:12:37 GMT -5
dood might have hit on it.
Whatever else radio is, it's a business first and foremost.
Crawford has a policy where people can buy chunks of airtime and put their own show on the air, like we saw with "Preacher and the Doc" and Hank Erwin.
What are the chances that someone offered Crawford biggie bucks to rent the morning drive slot?
Coming soon....to 101.1 FM "The Source":
The Rogers and Langford Show (subtitles/translation costs extra).
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Post by rf on Apr 12, 2007 19:27:20 GMT -5
I've sent my e-mail to The Source and Crawford.
I also included as many sponsors as I could find e-mail addresses for as well as Lee Davis and Matt Murphy.
I know you said don't, but the fact they they allayed your fears and said you were a fit, but then changed their minds and fired you indicates a lack of consistency and ethics on their parts. I don't want to listen to a radio station that would do this after 3 months. Everyone I talked to at my work said they liked you guys, your fan base was growing.
It's not like Crawford does anything to help you grow ratings. At least with other stations, you may see a billboard or two if a new show is coming on, but you guys were barely here long enough for people to find out about you. (One guy thought R&D were still in your slot). I hope you find a place, anywhere. It'd be nice if it were in Birmingham because then I'd have something to listen to in the morning. Now, I have to find something to listen to both in the morning and the afternoon. Sorry Matt, I can't support CBC.
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Post by Kevin on Apr 12, 2007 20:01:59 GMT -5
Many of these posts are way of the mark. Criticizing Alabama or Alabamians for this ("backwards", "Bible Belt", etc) is wrong. Not all Alabamians listen to the Source!!! Most of the folks who listen, IMHO, are fairly conservative minded. Others who were much more libeSome of these posts are way off the mral only listened because they want to disagree with most of the hosts.
Also, I think most want hosts with a "local flare". To me, that was the TAM's largest hurdle. Two boys ride into Birmingham from Florida and start ranting and raving about local politics like they've lived here for 20 years. I didn't buy it and I don't think many others did either. Not their fault but I think they tried to hard to look like they were already down home Alabamians.
My favorite morning show at one time was Beaner and Ken. I can't stand Rick and Bubba - I can't bear to listen to people brag about themselves for 4-5 hours. But Beaner and Ken had a local flare that they lost when they started piping their show in from another state. Again, not entirely their fault because they were jacked around by various radio stations as well.
Also, Chris Hobbs (he's the nasally sounding guy right?) tended to rant and rage at people on the phone when he got a little ticked. I remember one call where he belittled one poor fellow, calling him all sorts of names and then continued to verbally abuse this guy some minutes after the conversation ended. Yes, they are the "attack machine" but this shouldn't be so literal!
And as far as cursing? There were many of the "small" expletives (damn, ass, etc.) used when I listened. Much more than any other show on the station, so that was different. Not anything big or out of line with most stations in town but it was a little over the top for this particular station.
3 months is a raw deal though. It has to be more than ratings or listener complaints. Did you ever think that some of the actual sponsors were the ones to complain? If the sponsors threaten to pull the plug because they disagree with the hosts (i.e Don Imus) then you need to dust off your resume.
Oh, and finally, quit quoting "The God and Country Station". That phrase only stuck around on the air for a few weeks. When was the last time you heard it?
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Post by Kevin on Apr 12, 2007 20:04:04 GMT -5
Ooops some goof on the last sentence, first paragraph!
Should read: Others who were much more liberal only listened because they want to disagree with most of the hosts.
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Post by Jo Thomas on Apr 12, 2007 20:07:45 GMT -5
If Dale and Chris are still checking this board: Have you been contacted by (or contacted) WAPI today? It's an AM station, but they have a lineup that I think you'd fit well with. I posted my email to them earlier on this forum, but I just wanted to make sure others who may want to still hear The Attack Machine should fight to keep it here locally.
Just so you know I called that station today as well to voice my opinion. I wish you both well and would love to hear The Attack Machine on each day before Boortz.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 12, 2007 20:18:13 GMT -5
The "not from around here" crap is a total smoke screen...
It took them NO time to see through the likes of Buck, John Rogers, Larry Langford, and 3 or 4 "drive-by" callers who call every few days to see how much they can get away with...
Whether we agreed with their opinions or not, they were very quickly up to speed on almost any local or state issue such as schools, BJCC, dome, gambling, sex toys, beer restrictions, and whatnot...actually, they brought the whatnot with them...
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Post by olehippy13 on Apr 12, 2007 20:19:02 GMT -5
ERNIE BROWN.........................UP ALL NIGHT.
GO GET HIM...........WHAT EVER THE PRICE, TRIPPLE IT
........................................ Good luck Chris and Dale......................101 is the pitts...............and no, thats not Earl Pitts, ....but they do need to .............WAKE UP AMERICA.
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Post by Kevin on Apr 12, 2007 20:31:58 GMT -5
"Not from around here" is valid if you act like you care about these issues more than most of the people who listen to the show. And yeah, they saw through them because they are just the same people with different names that you see around the country. Thieving politicians whose only concern is their own voice, opinion, and pocket. Politicians are the one group most deserving of the their stereotypes.
I didn't care that they were from Florida. I just felt that they tried a little too hard to cover that up. Sure, they mentioned it alot so that people were reminded, but on the flip-side, they came off as knowing more about the local schenanigans than people who've been here much longer. In fairness, most people are clueless, so that's not hard.
Given time, that would have faded. But they were not given the chance. Judging by the amount of time, that was not a factor anyways. But to me, I felt it was their biggest hurdle in getting more listeners, not keeping their job.
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Post by Twista on Apr 12, 2007 20:41:52 GMT -5
re: Kevin... "Oh, and finally, quit quoting "The God and Country Station". That phrase only stuck around on the air for a few weeks. When was the last time you heard it?" It was either yesterday or the day before. burton and kurt show if I remember correctly. I figure that Crawford probably had them start running it in response to the "emails from god" that have been coming in against the boys... (That or it got mixed up with the 400 tapes of HD radio promos that they play each day...)
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Post by solinvictus on Apr 12, 2007 20:42:50 GMT -5
A three month run is nothing. Personally, I think Sun Young Crawford's going to pimp out the airtime to more vanity programs a la Hank Erwin.
I didn't consider the outsider factor; maybe it played a role in their demise. It's funny; we get Dale and Chris while Dixon and Willoughby of 1070 AM get a gig in Florida around the same time. I really hope that Chris & Dale get on at 1070 AM. It would be funny to see The Attack Machine & Russ and Dee get taken at the same station to oppose Crawford.
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Post by Kevin on Apr 12, 2007 20:47:15 GMT -5
re: Kevin... "Oh, and finally, quit quoting "The God and Country Station". That phrase only stuck around on the air for a few weeks. When was the last time you heard it?" It was either yesterday or the day before. burton and kurt show if I remember correctly. I figure that Crawford probably had them start running it in response to the "emails from god" that have been coming in against the boys... (That or it got mixed up with the 400 tapes of HD radio promos that they play each day...) Maybe they only play it during certain shows then. I only listen in the morning and afternoon during drive time. When I do get a chance in between, I can think of much better things to listen to than Hank Erwin, Burt & Curt, etc. Wind noise is better than that.
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Post by billthewebguy on Apr 12, 2007 20:48:01 GMT -5
I let you two go out on your own and in just 3 months this happens. Sheesh!!
Mom is gonna be really pissed now!
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Post by thedooderino on Apr 12, 2007 20:52:04 GMT -5
Funny that you mention that solinvictus...
Mark and Mack get drop kicked by Crawford (perhaps one of the MOST popular shows on both WDJC and WYDE) and they land over at Citadel, first on WAPI and now on WYSF. If I recall correctly, I've been told by more than one person over at Citadel that Russ and Dee will never work at WAPI. They have been looked at, but WAPI has been sternly warned about hiring them.
As Jo Thomas (any relation to a Benjy Thomas??) said, I believe TAM would be a perfect fit to WAPI. Having them on before Boortz would be great. Neil Boortz is a self-proclaimed libertarian and I believe that having local libertarians then national ones would be awesome.
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Post by lawman on Apr 12, 2007 20:57:42 GMT -5
Funny that you mention that solinvictus... Mark and Mack get drop kicked by Crawford (perhaps one of the MOST popular shows on both WDJC and WYDE) and they land over at Citadel, first on WAPI and now on WYSF. If I recall correctly, I've been told by more than one person over at Citadel that Russ and Dee will never work at WAPI. They have been looked at, but WAPI has been sternly warned about hiring them. As Jo Thomas (any relation to a Benjy Thomas??) said, I believe TAM would be a perfect fit to WAPI. Having them on before Boortz would be great. Neil Boortz is a self-proclaimed libertarian and I believe that having local libertarians then national ones would be awesome. WARNED BY WHO?---- Like someone said last night...Lets get some names out here!
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Post by Dave in Hartselle on Apr 12, 2007 22:18:45 GMT -5
I only telephone you guys a couple of times but listened every morning and most of the time every night. I didn't particularly enjoy the show as much as Matt's but your personalities were beginning to grow on me. I sided with Hobb's most of the time...as if it matters now. More than anything I just want to say that I will miss you both and after listening to Lee this morning it just isn't the same. Very dull to say the least. It appears that Crawford broadcasting is setting a trend in knee jerk decisions. I knew you guys didn't really fit into the format well but I always thought that maybe Crawford was going after a younger market with your show. Apparently their management is not as intelligent as their hosts. This is poor business ethics and it isn't the first time it has happened. What bothers me the most is that no one says a word and the listeners, the heart and soul of their station, are shit upon and left to figure out on their own what has happened. The least Crawford could do is start out the replacement show by explaining to the listeners what is going on and their reasoning behind the decision. Even a lie would be nice. I feel sorry for you guys, I hope at least they gave you a decent termination package. Do me a favor and set up a paypal account so that I can make a small donation, it is the least I can do to show my appreciation for the few months of listening time. Or, send me an email at a420er@yahoo.com and let me know where to send the check. It won't be much but I feel obligated to do something......at least you won't think all Alabamians are A Holes. See ya.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 12, 2007 22:23:49 GMT -5
We really, really appreciate it, but no dice, donate your money to a charity or support a show you do like by patronizing their sponsors. Thanks again to all of you.
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Post by thedooderino on Apr 12, 2007 22:24:10 GMT -5
Funny that you mention that solinvictus... Mark and Mack get drop kicked by Crawford (perhaps one of the MOST popular shows on both WDJC and WYDE) and they land over at Citadel, first on WAPI and now on WYSF. If I recall correctly, I've been told by more than one person over at Citadel that Russ and Dee will never work at WAPI. They have been looked at, but WAPI has been sternly warned about hiring them. As Jo Thomas (any relation to a Benjy Thomas??) said, I believe TAM would be a perfect fit to WAPI. Having them on before Boortz would be great. Neil Boortz is a self-proclaimed libertarian and I believe that having local libertarians then national ones would be awesome. WARNED BY WHO?---- Like someone said last night...Lets get some names out here! Sorry. I don't kiss and tell like that. All I'll say is that they are people that are and have been with Citadel.
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