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Post by solomon on Apr 30, 2007 3:30:35 GMT -5
sol, dude, how as a christian can you make the statement that marijuana is sinful, God made all plants and made many of them medicinal for us, just because the government sees this plant as a potential money maker they make it illegal. I work more than 70 hrs a week doing tile installations, and I manage my own company in the process, all while smoking pot. In all the years I have been doing this work I have never sat around the house all smoked out of my mind, I also have never made ANY mistakes in my work. I use the stuff to be able to have a stable frame of mind and to keep the stress of a growing company from breaking me. By the way, I bought pot from an officer friend of mine who had just gotten it from a traffic stop. He also uses it when he is off work. The point is, no matter how many ways its put, marijuana is the least of most evils we encounter every day. I used to work with a group of guys who would chain smoke on the way to the job with me in the car. To top it off, at the end of the day they would go to a bar and get drunk then try to drive home......but all that's legal. also, I cant tell you how many times I have gone through police license checks while high, you cant tell when someone has had just enough pot to get a buzz, but I would never drive while very stoned.....or at least most of the time...... twista, why buy a bong when its so simple to make your own, and screens, you can get stainless steel screens in the plumbing section of any hardware store. ;D LOL! LOL!
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Post by kevin on Apr 30, 2007 7:25:02 GMT -5
Then the captain went along with the officers and proceeded to bring them back without violence (for they were afraid of the people, that they might be stoned). Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep. Man, talk about taking the Bible out of context ;D.
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Post by espy on Apr 30, 2007 8:19:58 GMT -5
I know a guy who thought that you smoked the leaves of the marijuana plant. He was in his 60s and totally bought into all the government propaganda about the dangers of smoking it, I confronted him about the fact that its just a flowering weed that was put here by God as a natural pain killer and a nerve tonic..........he replied that the devil made that plant.........I cant believe that people can be so suckered by government propaganda and over look the obvious. And filling the jails up with folks who have just a few grams on them is a HUGE tax payer expense not to mention the amount of tax dollars spent trying to combat the drug itself......its like cancer, It will never go away, no matter what you do. Politicians know this and love the revenue it generates for the government. And all the suckers out there who buy into what the government has brainwashed you into believing about the drug, you are helping to keep this govenment thinking it can get anything past you.....all they have to do is tell you how bad something is and that it will ruin your lives and everyone goes.....yes master, its bad and everyone who uses it is evil......what a joke. And the argument that marijuana is a hallucinogen, alcohol is a hallucinogen also, what do you think the term beer goggles means, or why do you think people cannot remember binge drinking or the entire night after doing so..............I think alcoholics are evil. But if everyone is comfortable paying out billions a year fighting something that is being grown in houses, barns, warehouses, national parks and will NEVER be eradicated, then more power to you...its your money being wasted..........the pic I posted was on Red Mountain along with hundreds more spread out throughout the area.......LMAO!!!........they were planted by a group of painting contractors who grow it GIVE it to their close friends, they say that you shouldn't make money on mother natures gifts.....I love those guys...
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Post by espy on Apr 30, 2007 9:05:07 GMT -5
solomon, I guess the academy is still teaching you this....... Every police academy still teaches that bullshit. I have to say that there are more and more police that feel the same way that I do, though, that marijuana doesn't hurt anyone and shouldn't be taking up our time and jail space. I don't feel sorry for drug traffickers, though, and will not shed any tears over anyone hauling 200 lbs of weed down the highway. Most of the large traffickers are illegal aliens anyhow and they can kiss my bloody arse if they think it's okay to jump the fence then partake in a racket. But if someone has a dimebag in the car, I'd rather dump it out and send them on their way instead of wasting my time when I could be looking for felons. Not so big on the traffickers myself, they are violent, usually illegal immigrants, and will sell to children. That is one of the reasons for making it legal, if everyone who does like marijuana was able to grow it in their yard then there would not be any marijuana traffickers or dealers. dime bag........you smoke or have smoked......most people dont know that term unless they have bought a dime bag.......I go for a half, but I dont have to buy it...hehehe....
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 30, 2007 9:32:40 GMT -5
espy, even if you never take a single toke, if you are around law enforcement long enough, the terms seem to rub off. Kind of like spending 8 hours a day talking in ten codes. When you go home, you still let the occasional 10-8 or 10-4 slip out. The little master will even tell me if he is 201 or 202 when it's potty time. It's just the vernacular of the job.
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Post by espy on Apr 30, 2007 9:37:25 GMT -5
espy, even if you never take a single toke, if you are around law enforcement long enough, the terms seem to rub off. Kind of like spending 8 hours a day talking in ten codes. When you go home, you still let the occasional 10-8 or 10-4 slip out. The little master will even tell me if he is 201 or 202 when it's potty time. It's just the vernacular of the job. Oh, then brandon is in law enforcement then, sorry to have made the implication that he was an evil smoker too ........ whats funny is that I use my 2 way so much that I sometimes say 10-4 instead of saying yes...lol
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 30, 2007 12:05:03 GMT -5
espy, even if you never take a single toke, if you are around law enforcement long enough, the terms seem to rub off. Kind of like spending 8 hours a day talking in ten codes. When you go home, you still let the occasional 10-8 or 10-4 slip out. The little master will even tell me if he is 201 or 202 when it's potty time. It's just the vernacular of the job. Oh, then brandon is in law enforcement then, sorry to have made the implication that he was an evil smoker too ........ whats funny is that I use my 2 way so much that I sometimes say 10-4 instead of saying yes...lol Don't think smokers are evil. My ex was a smoker. Never bothered me. I told him we would never have a problem as long as it didn't keep the kids from getting everything they needed. I smoked a time or two when I was in high school. Found out real quick I get sick as all get out, so I didn't do it any more. I don't think it should be illegal, but as long as it is, I think the laws should be enforced. It is a slippery slope. If we ignore the laws we don't like, what is to stop people from ignoring all laws? If it is an unjust or stupid law (it is illegal to tease a caged bear with a stick) then fight to change it.
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 30, 2007 12:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by phinehas on Apr 30, 2007 12:53:54 GMT -5
Don't know of any government propaganda that has stated that the devil made anything. He copies things, twisting in the process, but never makes anything.
I look at it this way, a Christian should be a good steward of everything God has given them. The body being one of them. I don't see how anybody can say smoking anything is healthy for your lungs. There are other illegal drugs that do more physical and mental damage to people then pot but it still can't be classified as good for you, all other factors being equal.
I know the same can be said for legal drugs, they all have their side effects and those side effects have to be weighed against the symptoms of not tkaing the drug.
Same thing applies for recreational drug use, the negative side effects have to be weighed with the "fun", "relax" and "get away from reality" factor.
There is a price to pay.
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 30, 2007 13:57:00 GMT -5
The main reason this stuff shouldn't be legalized is that it is NOT the stuff from the 60's. May as well legalize acid and meth while we are at it..NOT! I was listening to a doctor explain how marijuana is a stronger strain today. Here is the only link I can find talking about the problem. Can't do a lot of searching on this topic here at work. www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1315274.htm
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Post by Twista on Apr 30, 2007 15:13:10 GMT -5
The main reason this stuff shouldn't be legalized is that it is NOT the stuff from the 60's. May as well legalize acid and meth while we are at it..NOT! I was listening to a doctor explain how marijuana is a stronger strain today. Here is the only link I can find talking about the problem. Can't do a lot of searching on this topic here at work. www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1315274.htmSometime tonite I'll post the results of the THC content of pot tested by the mississipi station each year since 1980... The result? It's not stronger, they just didn't test the strong stuff in some testing systems back in the "earlier" days... (If pot is 10 times stronger now than back in the 60's it wouldn't have even gotten people high back then... ~3.2% THC now - and it takes a little over .5% to be much of a high at all... That doesn't add up...)
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Post by billt on Apr 30, 2007 15:17:44 GMT -5
correct twista those highly potent versions were around in the 60's.
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Post by espy on Apr 30, 2007 20:52:38 GMT -5
Abbreviated to d9 THC, this chemical is the most active ingredient in cannabis. A synthetic but molecularly identical version of d9 THC is called dronabinol, and the cannabis plant it self can referred to as hemp or Indian hemp, marijuana, pot, ganja, hashish, and reefer on the streets. THC is in the news currently as debate proceeds about its reclassification as a class C drug in Britain. Reclassification was deemed necessary as focus on class A drugs becomes more intense. Cannabis will be reclassified as a class C drug by July of 2003, putting it in ranks with steroids and antidepressants. Tetra hydro cannabinol is an appetite stimulant and antiemetic. A brown, amorphous, viscous oil at standard temperature and pressure. As the laws prohibiting recreational cannabis use are loosened, funding has been in turn increased for research of the THC compound and its potential benefit to medicine. Already, in some countries, d9 THC is being used in medicine for multiple causes: As an antiemetic to control nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy. As an antiemetic to control nausea and vomiting associated with the use of drugs for controlling the spread of the AIDS virus; without which patients could regurgitate the nausea inducing drugs before being properly absorbed by the body. To retard or reverse the weight reduction syndrome of AIDS. To control seizures in patients suffering from epilepsy. To reduce pressure within the eyes associated with glaucoma. To alleviate muscle spasms associated with multiple sclerosis. To alleviate pain and muscle spasms for paraplegics and quadriplegics. heres a little more helpful info...... www.everydayhealth.com/PublicSite/ShowArticle.aspx?IsP=news/603/news603764.xml&dp=2007/04/17www.everydayhealth.com/PublicSite/ShowArticle.aspx?IsP=news/535/news535581.xml&dp=2006/10/18
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Post by brandon on May 1, 2007 2:25:16 GMT -5
dime bag........you smoke or have smoked......most people dont know that term unless they have bought a dime bag....... Nah, never smoked it. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a libertarian because I want to get high. But I do support your right to do so.
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Post by phinehas on May 1, 2007 22:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by kevin on May 1, 2007 22:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by phinehas on May 1, 2007 22:44:44 GMT -5
'responsible pot smokers'. That's an oxymoron.
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Post by kevin on May 1, 2007 22:45:28 GMT -5
I thought that was funny too
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Post by Twista on May 1, 2007 23:08:03 GMT -5
Here is a good old memory from the late 70's... One winter we hooked up a great contraption for "burning boo". A run of the mill two foot tall glass bong (filled with snow rather than water). Attached a "party bowl" made from a 1 inch brass fitting with threads to quickly screw on an extension once it was lit. Then we slipped a wide rubber hose over the top of the bong and connected that to a army surplus gas mask. One would sit in a chair with a high backrest (to prevent the natural tendency to lean back when inhaling through both mouth and nose at the same time) and clamp the gas mask on good and tight. Next, light up the bong and quickly attach the "power hitter" extension so another person could blow through the pipe to increase the flow. Then close the eyes (the smoke burns 'em at that concentration!), signal the guy to blow through the extension, and take the biggest hit of ice cold "sleepy weed" you could hold... After about 5 seconds in the lungs, the smoke would warm and expand, and there would erupt the largest cloud of smoke you could possibly imagine out of the mouth, nose, ears, eyes etc. of the gas mask wearer... Then, after a few minutes of coughing and hacking, the person's first raspy words would nearly always be... "Far out, man!"
Then we'd all go down to the local restaurant and pick up some triple cheeseburgers and butterscotch shakes... LOL (Something everyone should try at least once... Heh, heh...)
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Post by phinehas on May 2, 2007 8:49:26 GMT -5
(Don't think so. Sounds like something losers would do.)
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Post by espy on May 2, 2007 19:57:56 GMT -5
(Don't think so. Sounds like something losers would do.) Wow, man, you sure are starting to sound high and mighty over those who choose to do this............are you for alcohol consumption......I would put those who drink alcohol in the same category as the town drunk.
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Post by billt on May 2, 2007 20:20:46 GMT -5
but wait didnt corny whine about how he NEVER tries to impose his religion on others?
sure does sound like sitting in judgement of others without knowing anything at all about them, other than ONE thing, they tried marijuana.
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Post by phinehas on May 2, 2007 20:35:37 GMT -5
billt, I have not mentioned Jesus or religion in any context whatsoever during the illegal drug debate, so you are wrong as usual.
You continue to call me corny and I will start calling you other names again. Last warning.
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Post by phinehas on May 2, 2007 20:37:49 GMT -5
espy,
I was speaking of the lengths people will go and the time they spend in coming up with goofy ways to inhale marijuana.
Anybody that would get a gas mask and go through that trouble is so far up pot's ass that they are losers.
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Post by espy on May 2, 2007 21:03:27 GMT -5
espy, I was speaking of the lengths people will go and the time they spend in coming up with goofy ways to inhale marijuana. Anybody that would get a gas mask and go through that trouble is so far up pot's ass that they are losers. Sorry, I hadn't read what twista had posted before I posted mine. Your right about that........I'm cool with anyone who smokes, but that's a little far out.......however in twistas' defence, if the 70's is when he was a teen or young adult, I would have to say that I am one of those guilty of spending a little to much time trying to invent the coolest way to get 100% of your weeds potential.......I wouldn't ever veg out like that now...........too much responsibility. Any drug can and will be abused by someone, sometime. It shouldn't be the responsible users who have to pay the price for the ills of others. Its a very useful drug, if used in moderation.
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Post by phinehas on May 2, 2007 21:09:34 GMT -5
Yes, he was speaking of the 70's but I was thinking he was talking in the context of now and to people he knows are in their 30's. It's one thing to do that when you are a teenager, it's another to go to those lengths when you are an adult.
Kinda of curious as to how old Twista is now. I thought he was in his early to mid 30's. He can't be if he was smoking pot in the 70's...that would have made him less than 10 years old.
Then again, that may explain some things. yuk..yuk..yuk.
Actually, I think Twista copied and pasted the "story" and it isn't an actual memory of his.
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Post by Twista on May 2, 2007 23:26:37 GMT -5
Yes, he was speaking of the 70's but I was thinking he was talking in the context of now and to people he knows are in their 30's. It's one thing to do that when you are a teenager, it's another to go to those lengths when you are an adult. Kinda of curious as to how old Twista is now. I thought he was in his early to mid 30's. He can't be if he was smoking pot in the 70's...that would have made him less than 10 years old. Then again, that may explain some things. yuk..yuk..yuk. Actually, I think Twista copied and pasted the "story" and it isn't an actual memory of his. First off, thanks for the compliment there Phinman. I can't believe that you would think my off the cuff story was written by some "literary giant" (or something like that...LOL). But I am rather deeply hurt that you would think I'd stoop to plagarism over such a trivial matter... (You can google some phrases and "bust me" if you find something...) Okay, I'm over it now... LOL I'm glad you are curious about my age (as long as you don't ask for my measurments). Here are a few hints... (Oh boy! a mystery! LOL) I have a newborn child, who by the way, is cuter than any child ever born... cause she's mine... But on the other hand, my grandfather was born in the 1880's (don't wear out your fingers and toes on that one...) And I remember the day Kennedy was shot, though mostly because it pre-empted a show I wanted to watch. I also shook Richard Nixon's hand when he was campaigning in '68... (Yeah, I spit on that hand every morning... LOL) And my wife and I have been together since the mid 80's, (she is a fair bit younger than me) and I've never been unfaithful, or even considered being unfaithful to her... ("Awwww" from the ladies...) I look a lot younger than I am (thanks to the good genes from the Deerheart side of the family), and act that way too... I didn't inherit any sourpuss genes, and I've learned that life is much better when one makes the decision to enjoy every day, even if it sucks... LOL Pot? Guess I was about 13 or 14 the first time. I was steered toward it because of alcohol (the real gateway drug) and by the time I was 17 I started getting both drunk and stoned every day (365 a year!) for about 10 or 12 years. I've probably done nearly every drug that was available at that time, other than "intravenous only" ones. You might not believe some of the shit I've seen... And some of it I'll never tell anyone... LOL But then it got old and I quit all of it. In retrospect, I'd say that alcohol was the worst of any, both for me and others around me... But damn, I had a lot of fun... And I still do today... LOL (Figure it out yet? heh, heh...)
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Post by espy on May 5, 2007 9:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by phinehas on May 5, 2007 9:20:30 GMT -5
Notice that there are no adults in the crowd? They are all kids....
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Post by kevin on May 5, 2007 9:53:34 GMT -5
Yeah, but throw a couple of pizza in there and I bet you'd see a riot ;D.
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