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Post by kevin on May 3, 2007 19:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by family1st on May 3, 2007 20:45:45 GMT -5
I agree with the article Kevin. Homosexuality is no worse than divorce and adultry. That's one of the reasons we left Gardendale FBC and Southern Baptist ministries.
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Post by phinehas on May 3, 2007 21:28:34 GMT -5
Didn't read anything new that hasn't already been stated before by numerous people going back in time to Jesus himself.
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Post by kevin on May 3, 2007 21:42:55 GMT -5
Didn't read anything new that hasn't already been stated before by numerous people going back in time to Jesus himself. What you say is true, there was nothing new. But it seems that perhaps there is too much of a focus on homosexuality and its condemnation. I'm not one for compromise but we must find ways to reach out to people rather than merely focus on their life situation. The first thing is to witness to them and allow God to work, not bash them for their sexual preference. As you know, its not a person's sin that condemns but the refusal to make Jesus Lord. Once they make the decision to accept Him, then we can help the person move forward for God. In other words, we get too wrapped up in "getting the cart before the horse".
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Post by richbrout on May 3, 2007 23:05:58 GMT -5
Homosexuality is by definition "other people's sin" for heterosexual christians, on'e focus should be on correcting one's own sin. It takes me 24/7 to focus on my own sin or as Hank Williams Sr.
"why don't you mind your own business, because if you mind your own business, you won't be minding mine"
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Post by Dale Jackson on May 3, 2007 23:24:30 GMT -5
Hank Williams Sr. was teh ghey?
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Post by kevin on May 4, 2007 6:57:53 GMT -5
Dunno...but these guys?
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Post by lawman on May 4, 2007 7:11:06 GMT -5
So you think it is in 'good taste' to post a picture like that?
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 7:13:00 GMT -5
We are ADULTS. ITS CALLED A SENSE OF HUMOR!!
GO BACK TO MAYBERRY OR UTAH IF YOUR VIRGIN SENSIBILITIES ARE HURT!!!
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Post by lawman on May 4, 2007 7:16:58 GMT -5
We are ADULTS. ITS CALLED A SENSE OF HUMOR!! GO BACK TO MAYBERRY OR UTAH IF YOUR VIRGIN SENSIBILITIES ARE HURT!!! That kind of 'crap' is offensive to most decent-minded people! Just typical of 'phony' so-called Christians like you! I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED......
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 7:20:19 GMT -5
I'll leave it to GOD where you are heading:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5 RSV)
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Post by lawman on May 4, 2007 7:24:09 GMT -5
I'll leave it to GOD where you are heading: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5 RSV) Paul said ''Speak boldly... the Truth'' --- YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! But it will still be spoken!
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 7:26:04 GMT -5
If your sensibilities are so delicate, and you are so easily offended--why don't you choose not to expose yourself to such offensive stuff and go to one of the 100's of Christian message boards. The message board does not have to change to meet your prudish demands, if you don't like it LEAVE.
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Post by lawman on May 4, 2007 7:29:22 GMT -5
Then nobody would be here to 'expose' deceitful people like you!
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 7:31:08 GMT -5
If thats your mission, then being offended comes with it. So quit crying about it.
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 7:32:09 GMT -5
I'll take my Jesus quote over your Paul quote! lol
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Post by lawman on May 4, 2007 7:34:00 GMT -5
Don't tell me to stop my freedom of speech.......displaying your hypocrisy! Why don't you quit posting 'trash' and claiming to be Righteous?
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 7:38:36 GMT -5
You are the one telling others' to stop their freedom of speech. Can you say anything without it being hypocritical? You are like the Hypocrisy poster child!
p.s I didn't post any trash.
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Post by Dale Jackson on May 4, 2007 9:22:09 GMT -5
We are ADULTS. ITS CALLED A SENSE OF HUMOR!! GO BACK TO MAYBERRY OR UTAH IF YOUR VIRGIN SENSIBILITIES ARE HURT!!! That kind of 'crap' is offensive to most decent-minded people! Just typical of 'phony' so-called Christians like you! I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED...... Lawman, I stopped images from being shown to you. I hope this protects you and stops the daily, "you suck as a Christian post." Grow up.
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Post by phinehas on May 4, 2007 10:42:43 GMT -5
"Homosexuality is by definition "other people's sin" for heterosexual christians, on'e focus should be on correcting one's own sin."
By that definition, murder, rape and adultery are "other people's sin", to me as well. I have broken, in application, all the other commandments at some point. I have, not in application, broken the three above.
I think the problem lies, which has been stated numerous times, that there is a difference between "bashing" and a person acknowledging and stating that homosexuality is not agreeable with God.
Other than the Westboro Baptist church type people, the VAST majority of Christians do not bash Homosexuals but don't deny that they acknowledge it to be wrong.
SO WHAT?
The true issue, is not the BASHING but the desire that any acknowledgment that some people have that it is a sin, be removed from public and private discourse. Plain and simple.
The people that want that to occur may very well get that wish. In fact, in a couple of generations it will be a reality, in my opinion.
What was once considered bad will be good and what was once considered good will be bad. There are no moral absolutes and every man should be the sole arbitrator of what is right in his own eyes. We are all a few billion little islands......
I wish this forum would get off tehy gays.....
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 13:41:23 GMT -5
Again, though you claim not to do it, you compare Adultery (someone is a victim), Murder ( a victim) and Rape ( a victim) with homosexuality (consenting people no victim).
I think its the same desire as Fat people have of not being reminded constantly of the sin of gluttony. I think its laughable that heterosexuals with a 50% divorce rate want to protect the "sanctity of Marriage" and where they start is by addressing the sin of homosexuality. I hear tons of callers on 101.1 bash homosexuals. If you think its just the Westboro Baptist fringe element, then you are wrong. Listen to the station the next time the topic comes up.
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Post by lawman on May 4, 2007 13:54:13 GMT -5
Again, though you claim not to do it, you compare Adultery (someone is a victim), Murder ( a victim) and Rape ( a victim) with homosexuality (consenting people no victim). I think its the same desire as Fat people have of not being reminded constantly of the sin of gluttony. I think its laughable that heterosexuals with a 50% divorce rate want to protect the "sanctity of Marriage" and where they start is by addressing the sin of homosexuality. I hear tons of callers on 101.1 bash homosexuals. If you think its just the Westboro Baptist fringe element, then you are wrong. Listen to the station the next time the topic comes up. Wrong ....WRONG ..WRONG! He did not compare homosexuality, with Adultery, murder and rape! YOU AGAIN, are attemping tricky distortion.... 'eh, deception! He made a good analogy!
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Post by phinehas on May 4, 2007 14:15:11 GMT -5
richbrout - the only comparison that I made is that they are all sins.
I think you have a fundamental flaw in how you look at sin. Sin is what we do that is contrary to what God wants us to do, the fact that most sins involve other people is secondary to the concept.
God is whom the primary offense is to in sin. That is what I think you are missing in the equation.
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Post by kevin on May 4, 2007 19:04:40 GMT -5
So you think it is in 'good taste' to post a picture like that?
Not really...what's your point? Oh, I know...I forgot that most of your posts are in response to people who "offend" you or don't fit your idea of Christianity. Makes me wonder...what's the origin of your user id "lawman"? Are you this kind of "lawman" or this (I vote for this one): Dude, you would do well to lighten up. This is not a board where we all try to compete for the title of "most righteous". I'm sorry I have a sense of humor. If your children are viewing this board then you need to exercise your parental role of not viewing this board while they are in the room. Beyond that, if I made sure that my posts did not offend anyone, I'd have to quit posting because someone would be offended no matter what. However, it seems you make it a point to be offended more than most.
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Post by phinehas on May 4, 2007 19:16:10 GMT -5
Kevin,
Read post#18, lawman1a can't see pictures anymore, so the humor, not that he would particularly find it funny, would be lost on him.
Edit: Your first picture doesn't show...fix to enhance the laugh.
Edit2: I just got the properties of the picture link for the first one. Funny that you picked out both pointing a finger. LOL.
Edit3: Forget Edit1, it is a company firewall issue. I got around it.
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Post by kevin on May 4, 2007 19:38:53 GMT -5
Oh, wait, missed the post where you can't see pictures anymore. Oh well. back on topic... I think the confusion arises over the word "bash". We may use that word and mean something to a lesser degree. Think about it: how often does the topic of homosexuality come up when Christians discuss world issues? Quite often in my experience but it may be less for any one of you. So, if the topic comes up, how many times do people talk about how evil it is or how God hates it or anything similar? On the flipside, how often do we talk about reaching out to homosexuals with the gospel message? Instead, we often sit back in disdain of people who choose this sexual preference. Think about the 10 Commandments. Were they written for all mankind or just the Jews? It was the main laws for the Jews, so why would one expect gentiles, before Christ, to honor them? So why should we focus on certain sins of unbelievers when they are only living according to their nature? That is why the world views Christianity with distaste -- we're often acting like the Jews of Jesus' day Luke 18:9-14 - And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!' I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted." In other words, we need to spend less time pointing at the sins of the world and more time spreading the Good News of Christ. We don't have to accept their unrighteousness, but we should be willing to realize that we too had a multitude of unforgiven sins before Christ, so we need to do less pointing and more reaching. Matthew 9:11-13 - When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners." As a final word (in this post ;D), check out these words from "If We Are the Body' by Casting Crowns: But if we are the Body Why aren't His arms reaching Why aren't His hands healing Why aren't His words teaching And if we are the Body Why aren't His feet going Why is His love not showing them there is a way
Jesus paid much too high a price For us to pick and choose who should come And we are the Body of Christ
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Post by richbrout on May 4, 2007 20:24:20 GMT -5
Phin-
I don't buy into the whole "all sin is equal" bit. I mean, I'm imperfect, and my imperfect brain and imperfect sense of justice tells me that Murder is a worse sin than lying. Surely, God who is perfect makes distincions as well.
I agree with you Kevin and that is my point. Christians seem OBSESSED with homosexuality. I hear much more discussion about it here or on the source than I do about the sick, poor, elderly. The priorities of most Christians are screwed. I was glad to hear Rick Warren is going to really focus on developing orphanages. I think that would be much more productive and win more people to Christ than passing out tracks, railing on homosexuals, crying about you are greeted at Walmart at X-Mas (JK..did that to piss someone )off or whining about how there is some conspiracy to take God out of everything. Like there isn't a church every mile in suburbia.
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Post by phinehas on May 4, 2007 20:38:08 GMT -5
rich - you keep pointing out about "Christians" being OBSESSED and hearing it on this forum but the truth remains, which I have stated before, that the vast majority of threads started on this topic are either by non-Christians or Christians, such as yourself and kevin, that have a "lighter" attitude about homosexuality. The threads are not being initiated by those that have a "tougher", at least in your mind, "attitude" about it such as myself.
So, to continue to state that "The" Christians on this forum are obsessed with the topic is not factual.
Again, I have never been in a church were ANY tithes and offerings went to some anti-gay fund. I would say 100% go to funds to help SICK, POOR and ELDERLY along with evangelical programs. So, I don't see where you get this notion that MOST Christians priorities are screwed.
Do you know of ANY church, other than Westboro Baptist church that has a "fight against tehy gays" fund? Please let me know.
Do you know how many churches ALREADY fund facilities for women SO THAT they don't have an abortion and help them after the delivery of the child? I would say a large percentage. EVERY church I have gone to in my life has been directly involved in this ministry. So, if you think Rick Warren is doing something new, then you my friend have been living in a Christian closet of your own making.
"I don't buy into the whole "all sin is equal" bit. I mean, I'm imperfect, and my imperfect brain and imperfect sense of justice tells me that Murder is a worse sin than lying. Surely, God who is perfect makes distincions as well."
Read Romans 6:23. I wasn't implying that all sins were equal in human consequences, only in eternal consequences. So, while you think that God makes distinctions, which is true in consequence on earth and in earthly punishment, that same is not true for the eternal consequences.
I tend to think that the focus should be on eternal consequences, don't you? Isn't that what really matters, as far as sin goes?
So, providing food for a person is swell but pales next to eternal damnation. That being said, the food needs to be provided as well, but should not be the end of the story nor the motive in telling it.
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Post by kevin on May 4, 2007 21:14:25 GMT -5
Off topic just for a sec -- what is "tehy"?
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Post by phinehas on May 4, 2007 21:58:03 GMT -5
It's a joke based off of post #5 Off topic - Do you know what the story behind what those guys were doing in post#6. I can't really think of a reason for why that ball player did what the picture shows but I am not a major league ball player, so there may be a "reasonable" excuse I am not aware of. I went searching for the story on that photo. I googled this, "Cardinal player grabbing the cup of another player" and take a read of the summary of the third entry, under "Midwesterner's Guide to Living in New York City". Go figure. Edit: I think this is a job for fragerellaoogle to find.
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