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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 24, 2007 18:02:47 GMT -5
He isn't trying to make people tune out, he is trying to spread his message, his station, his perogative. I call it "garbage" because it makes me tune out. They aren't going anywhere because people are not calling and saying they were unChristian, swearing or mean. They were saying that about us. I know this seems hard to understand, but I KNOW the part that did us in was the unChristian part. I know you do not want to believe this, but there was a coordinated effort to get us off the air for this very reason, I saw the letters.
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Post by billt on Apr 24, 2007 18:16:05 GMT -5
not trying to start anything but how does the following quote differ from a "conspiracy" please?
"there was a coordinated effort to get us off the air"
doesnt this confirm what i said long ago, that OTHER people were at the root of this, not just a "business decision"?
i did include politicians and still think they did have some level of involvement.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 24, 2007 18:18:19 GMT -5
I assure you that it's not a matter of me not wanting to believe it. It's strictly a matter of me thinking it is not logical to have picked your show out of the other three based on a general perception of the listeners. Because if the standard used was consistent, then it would be applied to the other shows as well.
A coordinated effort would suggest a small group of people that actually conspired to do a writing campaign and more than likely made their numbers look bigger than they were.
Either way, I don't see the evidence yet that the Christian nation of Alabama was responsible for the program getting pulled but instead a handful of people which could very well have consisted of two.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 24, 2007 18:29:00 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Which is why it is so damn irritating, when the knucklehead in Philly who made the call had no clue what he was talking about, his cash though, so his call.
I do not see it as a conspiracy, I see it as a knee jerk reaction based on people playing on his Christianity. I sure wish he would have called us himself and said something to us, or hell have someone tell us where we were wrong, beforehand.
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Post by Twista on Apr 24, 2007 18:39:08 GMT -5
Re: Mac... "Is this to imply that Christians do not exist in other parts of the country?"
No, I think that may have been your interpretation of what I said, but it was actually "In Alabama the Christians..." I've just not seen that level of attempts to control the actions of the population as a whole, but I've mostly lived in the north, midwest and southwestern parts of the country.
Alabama(and maybe other southeastern states) just seems to give me the feeling that there is less tolerance for people of different faiths, or no faith. By "Alabama" I mean both the government and a good deal of the people I've met outside my workplace.
Re:Mac...
"When did Erwin supplant Jesus in defining what is and is not Christian?" I've not been here long enough to know the date he started that... LOL But that is an unfair characterization of Erwin. The feeling I get is that he doesn't intend to supplant Jesus, but rather be the one who interprets the intentions of the religion as the right hand man (and enforcer) of "the word". That is something I don't agree with, and haven't seen done in other places I've lived...
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Post by Twista on Apr 24, 2007 18:41:53 GMT -5
Twista, please let all of the Christians on this forum in on how to obtain this "control" you speak of, because I would like to be able to get a raise, pay less for food and not have to pay any taxes. You might find the answer to that question by peeking at your signature... LOL
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Post by phinehas on Apr 24, 2007 18:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by Twista on Apr 24, 2007 19:48:05 GMT -5
(Wow, I didn't know that page was still around! LOL)
"His greatest thrill is to taunt and humiliate weaker or more plodding Warriors with his snappy ripostes."
Now Phin, I don't consider you to be a weaker or more plodding warrior...
(But I am touched that you consider my random thoughts to be "snappy".)
"Not a particularly powerful Warrior, Evil Clown will attempt to avoid defeat by accusing his attacker of having no sense of humor."
Hmm... Some people just cant take a joke...
LOL But as far as the comment about you wanting a free ride as a christian, I don't think it works that way because you aren't a "christian politician". Then you would get a raise, have people buy your meals, and probably get enough under the table to never worry about taxes... (And you can bet that nearly all of the politicians in Alabama proclaim their religious faith as the reason they enact laws, while doing all of the above...) Everyone else just gets the benefit of a pat on the head as a good follower...
But no lottery to pay for education, no vibrators, no good beer, no fun...
Nothing an evil clown would like... LOL
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Post by phinehas on Apr 24, 2007 20:17:08 GMT -5
I was thinking more along the lines of:
He has little patience for in-depth discussions and will often disrupt exchanges between serious forum participants by introducing irrelevant topics, fatuous quips, and offhand comments.
and
Not a particularly powerful Warrior
Thanks for the "humor" as always. I have wasted enough time on this....I don't care to comment on the sliver of actual discussion you present.
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Post by Twista on Apr 24, 2007 22:10:29 GMT -5
I was thinking more along the lines of: He has little patience for in-depth discussions and will often disrupt exchanges between serious forum participants by introducing irrelevant topics, fatuous quips, and offhand comments. and Not a particularly powerful Warrior Thanks for the "humor" as always. I have wasted enough time on this....I don't care to comment on the sliver of actual discussion you present. I wonder if they have one of those "censorship clowns" on that site you mentioned? LOL
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Post by Frank on Apr 25, 2007 6:41:29 GMT -5
"also my opinion is that someone is frank from his show......i KNOW frank reads this board from past experience and the person making that post had some legal background. "
Sorry to disapoint you billt, but I am just catching up with this board. Dale and Chris can check IP addresses and confirm that I am not "Erwin Supporter" and I'm not sure I've even been in on this thread till now.
If I were you I would listen to them when they say that someone closer to them than Hank was against them. I told Dale when he informed me the day it happened that I didn't think it was fair for them to only be given three months. It seems to me in my limited radio land knowledge that 6-9 months would be a minimum trial run. Plus, I have zero influence at the station. I am literally a 101.1 nobody.
I see billt you also said.... "hank and frank call themselves Christians, yet right HERE today an attempt was made to silence someone being critical of erwin" Billt that is an ugly thing to say about me when I am not "Erwin Supporter."
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Post by phinehas on Apr 25, 2007 8:08:16 GMT -5
How do we know you are Frank?
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Post by blondie on Apr 25, 2007 8:11:45 GMT -5
I assure you that it's not a matter of me not wanting to believe it. It's strictly a matter of me thinking it is not logical to have picked your show out of the other three I think I have an answer. Even though Lee & Matt's shows aren't overtly Christian they are overtly republican. They basically are doing the Rush Limbaugh show just like 95% of talk radio. A lot of people associate the Republican party with Christianity.
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Post by Frank on Apr 25, 2007 9:54:43 GMT -5
How do we know you are Frank? lol - good point! I thought Chris and Dale could check IP addresses or something...
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Post by phinehas on Apr 25, 2007 10:02:51 GMT -5
I was joking.
But seriously, all the IP address would tell them is that a person whith that IP posted under a guest account named Frank. How do we or TAM know you are Frank from the Erwin show. Unless you guys have discussed this beforehand, you could post something only Frank from the Erwin show would know and Dale and Chris would know, then your identity would be verifiable by them.
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Post by Twista on Apr 25, 2007 17:21:27 GMT -5
"I think I have an answer. Even though Lee & Matt's shows aren't overtly Christian they are overtly republican. They basically are doing the Rush Limbaugh show just like 95% of talk radio. A lot of people associate the Republican party with Christianity." I agree with the Rush Limbaugh sound alike thing going on in talk radio. As I was driving to work the other day I flipped through several conservative channels and they were all talking about the same subject, with nearly identical comments, and callers all saying the same things. (I think it was Harry Reid, or maybe gun control...) Boring... Time filling if you have nothing original to say, but still boring... NPR was pretty good that morning though... As a side note... Jeff Christie's biggest dream was to be the morning drive time jock on WLS Chicago. He even called the program director to convince him to remove Larry Lujack from his time slot... The program director got quite a laugh out of that... (I'll have to post the link sometime, it's quite funny...)
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Post by fragerella on Apr 25, 2007 17:31:57 GMT -5
As a side note... Jeff Christie's biggest dream was to be the morning drive time jock on WLS Chicago. He even called the program director to convince him to remove Larry Lujack from his time slot... The program director got quite a laugh out of that... (I'll have to post the link sometime, it's quite funny...) allow me!
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Post by Twista on Apr 25, 2007 18:28:38 GMT -5
Yep, that's the one... Thanks Frag! (Now I'll have to pull up my collection of WLS sound checks and other recordings, and do a bit of nostalgia... LOL) {Animal Stories - With old Uncle Lar, and little Snot Nose Tommy!}
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 19:23:14 GMT -5
It's strictly a matter of me thinking it is not logical to have picked your show out of the other three based on a general perception of the listeners. Because if the standard used was consistent, then it would be applied to the other shows as well. Here is the key to this statement, we were suppose to be the redirection of that station, Burt and Kurt were SUPPOSE to be headed to WLGD permantly, syndication was to be brought in. A real news partnership was in the works. Who was to be in charge of that? The Program Director. Who was that? Me. Now put the pieces together as you see fit. I was hired, promoted and fired in 3 months. Why? Read the book "Who Moved My Cheese?" The simple story of Who Moved My Cheese? reveals profound truths about change that give people and organizations a quick and easy way to succeed in changing times. Who Moved My Cheese? is an enlightening story of four characters who live in a "Maze" and look for "Cheese" to nourish them and make them happy. Two are mice named Sniff and Scurry. And two are "Little-people" beings the size of mice who look and act a lot like people. Their names are Hem and Haw. Price: $13.99 Maybe I should send one of these to Crawdaddy and some people at the station.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 25, 2007 20:09:01 GMT -5
Chris:
No attacks from this Christian.
It sounds like you might've had some bad experiences with particular branches of Christianity and dealt with it by not rejecting it but doubting it. I can certainly respect that.
I've had several situations arise in my life that caused me to doubt various branches of Christianity but I ascribed my doubts not to the Word of God but to the Word of God as interpreted by mortal, fallible man. I don't think God (or Christ) is capable of making a mistakes, but I'm pretty sure that mankind can make enough to address the deficit.
But I can't reject the Word itself.
When my dad was dying of pancreatic cancer, the preacher from the Methodist church of which I am now a member came to visit my dad at home and also once he had to enter the hospital. I stress that my family was NOT a member of this church at that time and the preacher was under no compulsion to visit my dad. After all, his congregation had many other people who were in circumstances that called for his services and prayers....but he made time (and then some) to help my dad come back to Christ over the last few months of his life. I know that my dad died in peace because of the efforts of God as manifested through this particular preacher.
Within a year of my dad's death, our particular church (we joined as a last request of my dad)- or at least the elders who wrote the checks and exercised control over such things- forced this preacher to leave our church and go elsewhere. No real reason was given, past the platitudinous "not dealing acceptably with Church issues" (issues were undefined).
I don't hold God responsible in any way for that; I blame the elders in the church (and still do). God didn't fail or make a mistake; man did.
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Post by lawman on Apr 25, 2007 20:26:54 GMT -5
Chris: No attacks from this Christian. It sounds like you might've had some bad experiences with particular branches of Christianity and dealt with it by not rejecting it but doubting it. I can certainly respect that. I've had several situations arise in my life that caused me to doubt various branches of Christianity but I ascribed my doubts not to the Word of God but to the Word of God as interpreted by mortal, fallible man. I don't think God (or Christ) is capable of making a mistakes, but I'm pretty sure that mankind can make enough to address the deficit. But I can't reject the Word itself. When my dad was dying of pancreatic cancer, the preacher from the Methodist church of which I am now a member came to visit my dad at home and also once he had to enter the hospital. I stress that my family was NOT a member of this church at that time and the preacher was under no compulsion to visit my dad. After all, his congregation had many other people who were in circumstances that called for his services and prayers....but he made time (and then some) to help my dad come back to Christ over the last few months of his life. I know that my dad died in peace because of the efforts of God as manifested through this particular preacher. Within a year of my dad's death, our particular church (we joined as a last request of my dad)- or at least the elders who wrote the checks and exercised control over such things- forced this preacher to leave our church and go elsewhere. No real reason was given, past the platitudinous "not dealing acceptably with Church issues" (issues were undefined). I don't hold God responsible in any way for that; I blame the elders in the church (and still do). God didn't fail or make a mistake; man did. I have been very familiar with those grievous situations.....and love this scripture for the only answer..... KJV: And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.
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Post by Twista on Apr 25, 2007 20:55:36 GMT -5
Yep, that book is one that everyone should read. I think it was handed out in two or three training seminars our company did in the last few years...
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Post by richbrout on Apr 25, 2007 21:16:53 GMT -5
I wish Hank would cut back on the hoked out SUPER PATRIOT, SUPER CHRISTIAN music.
Its so old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kevin on Apr 25, 2007 21:49:36 GMT -5
Nah, it would be better if he cut back on air time instead ;D.
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Post by Frank on Apr 26, 2007 10:11:12 GMT -5
I wish Hank would cut back on the hoked out SUPER PATRIOT, SUPER CHRISTIAN music. Its so old!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rich, the Bible says ask and yea shall receive.... Im trying to have live bumper music from Nick the Engineer for the first hour of the show I'm guest hosting today. Feel free to call in and compliment Nick. :>
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Post by phinehas on Apr 26, 2007 10:26:21 GMT -5
The Erwin show is unabashedly a Christian perspective on current events. Why there are continual complaints about this is mind boggling. Turn the dial during that time if what they say or the music they play isn't something you don't like.
Erwin or his guest host are not going to turn into atheists no matter how much you complain.
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Post by killer on Apr 26, 2007 11:01:51 GMT -5
Less talk and more action would be great! Hank is a legislator -- in a position to cause change in government. I'd like to see him do this rather than preach and host a talk-show. At least during the spring months.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 26, 2007 11:05:10 GMT -5
I guess if enough of his constituents don't agree with how he spends his time, if this specific time, falls under the umbrella of official business versus his private time, they can vote him out.
I would assume that the Legislators don't work, 24/7....wasn't that one of the big complaints? That it was a part time job?
If this is his personal time, what business is it of anyone, what he chooses to do with it.
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Post by killer on Apr 26, 2007 11:09:36 GMT -5
My problem is not the talk-show really. It's that we just hear all this righteous talk, etc. and no action in Montgomery. How can real Christians turn a deaf ear to the corruption down there? How can they allow business as usual?
Apparently, it is okay with the constituents. Just like most things that we complain about on this board.
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Post by sandandmanure on Apr 26, 2007 11:14:37 GMT -5
My problem is not the talk-show really. It's that we just hear all this righteous talk, etc. and no action in Montgomery. How can real Christians turn a deaf ear to the corruption down there? How can they allow business as usual? Apparently, it is okay with the constituents. Just like most things that we complain about on this board. Perhaps it's because the business as usual is being done by real Christians.
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