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Post by brandon on Apr 16, 2007 20:13:34 GMT -5
Brandon are YOU a fag little buddy? If you are looking for that kind of companionship you'll need to go elsewhere. Genesis 13, read it. You want God to destroy your country? Just let the faggots run wild. I love freedom. Obviously you do not. You only want freedom for those that have your same opinions. Talibama.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 16, 2007 20:54:27 GMT -5
Don't know what this event has anything to do with homosexuality. Does anybody have any comments related to this event?
I agree with what Matt stated on the show, in a land of freedoms that we have, stuff like this is going to happen every blue moon. Not certain if there is anything you can really do about it and more likely, any cures the governement comes up with would be worse than the sickness.
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Post by brandon on Apr 16, 2007 21:00:36 GMT -5
any cures the governement comes up with would be worse than the sickness. True dat, man.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 16, 2007 21:45:54 GMT -5
First off, I sure wish people wouldn't throw around words and phrases of which they have no clue as to the meaning.
To the topic at hand:
Maybe I'm being charmingly naive here, as I'm won't to accuse others of being from time to time, but I'd hope that this is one of those rare instances which compels us to set partisan politics aside and rally around the families and friends of the victims of this tragedy. Those folks are going to need all the strength our prayers can generate for them in their healing process.
Olbermann reported that the murderer was a Chinese national, not a VT student, that had come to the country late last year. No reason for visiting/staying was provided.
At this point, nobody seems to know anything more than that trifle.
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Post by lawman on Apr 16, 2007 21:49:49 GMT -5
Sincerely W.O.M.I., Nice post! Chinese National.....wow, and the borders are open to all! ---Thanks for info!
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Post by espy on Apr 16, 2007 22:29:12 GMT -5
Sorry for the rant, It had absolutely nothing to do with this thread and I sincerely apologize.
To the matter at hand I would say that w.o.m.i. is right, lets immediately look past the sorry ass who committed this cowardly act and get to the real issue of comforting the families of the victims.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 16, 2007 22:55:09 GMT -5
More information: www.suntimes.com/news/nation/343354,vatech041607.articleprint Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.
The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.
Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said. www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=448955&in_page_id=1811&ct=5He was said to have quarrelled in a dormitory with his girlfriend, whom he believed had been seeing another man. A student adviser was called to sort out the row. But the killer produced a gun and shot dead both his girlfriend and the adviser.
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Post by espy on Apr 16, 2007 23:06:29 GMT -5
Not linked to any terrorist group?!! What is the Chines governments view toward our democratic way of life. They are commies, I think that is a threat toward our way of life and they think we are a threat toward their government structure.
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Post by espy on Apr 16, 2007 23:32:17 GMT -5
In the end it all boils down to the fact that gun control is what put these kids at risk, many of the college age women would carry a small hand gun as personal protection or at least the teachers could have had a pistol at their desk if it weren't for the gun control measures in place at colleges. If even one of the students or teachers were able to fire back then this rampage could have been stopped sooner. Yea for gun control, this is exactly what we will be seeing when criminals know that no one but themselves are armed. Fate favors the armed.
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Post by espy on Apr 16, 2007 23:43:54 GMT -5
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Post by espy on Apr 16, 2007 23:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by brandon on Apr 17, 2007 0:03:41 GMT -5
In the end it all boils down to the fact that gun control is what put these kids at risk, many of the college age women would carry a small hand gun as personal protection or at least the teachers could have had a pistol at their desk if it weren't for the gun control measures in place at colleges. If even one of the students or teachers were able to fire back then this rampage could have been stopped sooner. You're all about PARTS of the U.S. Constitution, until it doesn't represent what you want it to.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 17, 2007 0:11:04 GMT -5
What part of the constituition has he cut out? Let me guess. Gay marriage? LOL. Point out that article of the constituition please. Heterosexual marriage isn't in there either.
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Post by brandon on Apr 17, 2007 0:22:17 GMT -5
What part of the constituition has he cut out? Let me guess. Gay marriage? LOL. Point out that article of the constituition please. Heterosexual marriage isn't in there either. It's addressed here: 14th Amendment No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Like it or not, the U.S. Constitution provides for equal treatment of every U.S. citizen. You don't like the fact that the Constitution protects every citizen? I suppose you should petition the Congress to take away the rights of some. You hate gays, jews, negros, women, and anyone else that doesn't think as you do? Petition the Congress to change it. Have a good time doing it. I'm sure you'll meet lots of new friends trying to take away the rights of Americans. Good luck, Talibamians!
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Post by espy on Apr 17, 2007 1:36:23 GMT -5
What part of the constituition has he cut out? Let me guess. Gay marriage? LOL. Point out that article of the constitution please. Heterosexual marriage isn't in there either. It's addressed here: 14th Amendment No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Like it or not, the U.S. Constitution provides for equal treatment of every U.S. citizen. You don't like the fact that the Constitution protects every citizen? I suppose you should petition the Congress to take away the rights of some. You hate gays, Jews, negros, women, and anyone else that doesn't think as you do? Petition the Congress to change it. Have a good time doing it. I'm sure you'll meet lots of new friends trying to take away the rights of Americans. Good luck, Talibamians! The only thing I hate is the homosexual lifestyle, and perverse sexual acts and thoughts (e.g. pedophilia, rape, molestation, incest) I think what makes this country great is our freedoms. I love all those you listed, I have close black friends, Jews ( whom I believe are still Gods chosen people even though they dont believe in Jesus as the saviour). Its the lifestyle that I'm opposed to. And our the creators of our constitution couldn't fathom the degradation that would eat away at our country when they wrote it. This country is still under God for the most part and I think by allowing these groups to eat away at our civilization and our beliefs that we will no longer have a country worth saving or fighting for. And its attitudes like your own that are letting them walk all over what made this country great, The freedom of religion. That along with getting away from high taxation was the reasons we started this country in the first place.
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Post by espy on Apr 17, 2007 1:43:33 GMT -5
And if our government were to follow that amendment then I would be able to smoke my pot without any consequence because it is part of my freedom of life and liberty, it harms no one, except the drug companies who want to put me on paxil and klonopin. Other than that what does it harm. I dont spend money on it, so I am not taking away from my children, I'm not supporting the drug trade, so tell me, what is the reason everyone jumps on the gay marriage bandwagon but stays away from the marijuana issue. Gay marriages with adopted children will ruin the lives of the children involved.
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Post by espy on Apr 17, 2007 1:45:21 GMT -5
How did this turn into a gay marrage thread? !!!!
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Post by Twista on Apr 17, 2007 1:47:52 GMT -5
Hmm... Why do some of the crowd hate gay people so much? I think they are a blast... Funny as hell...
And nothing to fear... Or hate...
And generally, a good deal more intelligent than your average guy...
And have you ever heard of a gay person committing a mass murder? You all ought to make an effort to give a gay a hug sometime. Just show a little restraint if it becomes intimate... Back on topic... I am amazed at how poorly emergencies are handled at Universities...
The biggest bunch of panic stricken, do nothing, freaked out folk in the world when something bad happens. They really should have gotten the message out about the initial shootings, and turned the arriving students around at the gates as soon as possible...
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Post by phinehas on Apr 17, 2007 2:27:29 GMT -5
Twista -
Who said they hated gay people? Direct us to the specific post please?
Who said they feared gay people? Direct us to the specific post please?
If you are referencing other people's words outside of this forum, then state that please. I for one don't like my statements to be mischaracterized in such a grossly erroneous fashion.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 17, 2007 2:41:06 GMT -5
What part of the constituition has he cut out? Let me guess. Gay marriage? LOL. Point out that article of the constituition please. Heterosexual marriage isn't in there either. It's addressed here: 14th Amendment No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Like it or not, the U.S. Constitution provides for equal treatment of every U.S. citizen. *Like it or not, the pertinent part of the 14th Amendment had everything to do with securing equal rights for the freed slaves and nothing to do with homosexuality.You don't like the fact that the Constitution protects every citizen? *It gave the freed slaves the equal rights that already existed and I do like that.I suppose you should petition the Congress to take away the rights of some. * Nope, can't take away something that didn't exist. You hate gays, jews, negros, women, and anyone else that doesn't think as you do? * Don't know where you get this idea from. You can not find any post of mine where I say i hate anyone. You are going way of the resevation with this line of reasoning.Petition the Congress to change it. Have a good time doing it. I'm sure you'll meet lots of new friends trying to take away the rights of Americans. Good luck, Talibamians! *Yes, tolerance displayed by the champions of tolerance.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 17, 2007 2:48:33 GMT -5
And have you ever heard of a gay person committing a mass murder?
* There are not too many women that commit murder period...so it doesn't surprise me that there are fewer gay men that commit mass murders...they are effiminate...duh.
Back on topic...
I am amazed at how poorly emergencies are handled at Universities...
The biggest bunch of panic stricken, do nothing, freaked out folk in the world when something bad happens. They really should have gotten the message out about the initial shootings, and turned the arriving students around at the gates as soon as possible...
Two people are found murdered in a dorm and you expect the whole campus to be on a lock down? The authorities were given no reason to believe that the murderer would go to the opposite side of the campus and start killing people randomly. There was just as much chance that the killer would have went into a McDonalds across town and continued his rampage for that matter. Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Post by Twista on Apr 17, 2007 2:50:00 GMT -5
re: espy
"The only thing I hate is the homosexual lifestyle," and...
"too bad the Taliban dont send a suicide bomber in the middle of one of those things. "
and... "they will all get to have their sick pleasures in hell unless they turn from this sickness."
re: slaminman "You want God to destroy your country? Just let the faggots run wild."
And... "Brandon are YOU a fag little buddy?" -------------------------------------
Those all seem a little less than loving attitudes toward their brothers...
Hate and fear usually are the closest of brothers... (hand in hand, a bearded chin resting on another man's shoulder... Maybe twirling his chest hairs in an idle manner as they both watch a romantic sunset together...)
Ahh... where was I?? re: Phin...
" I for one don't like my statements to be mischaracterized in such a grossly erroneous fashion." I wasn't referring to any statement that you made. That is why I said "some" of the postings...
Besides that, I figure that you, me, and Lawman are probably the most likely guys here that would give a big hug to a gay man...
(Or each other... LOL)
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Post by espy on Apr 17, 2007 2:50:33 GMT -5
twista, I said I hated the LIFESTYLE not the people, they are the nicest people you can know (except dikes, they hate everyone).
I dont hate anyone, I only hate actions. It is Gods place to pass judgement on their souls not mine.
I only said I'm tired of all the bickering about whose getting mistreated, treated unfairly, not getting what everyone else is getting, being discriminated against. They are doing it to themselves.
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Post by espy on Apr 17, 2007 2:55:44 GMT -5
Twista, let me make myself clear, I love everyone.....I have gay friends and they know my stance on this matter, what I meant about the bombing, just watch what they do in San francisco in a gay pride parade in front of children. Its sickening, that's all I meant by that statement. sorry you took it that I hate everyone who isn't a Christian, I want everyone to find Christ and to go to heaven.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 17, 2007 2:58:56 GMT -5
"Hate and fear usually are the closest of brothers..."
This has never been proven to be actually true but is constantly used by people to give a REASON that they are comfortable with for why another person dislikes other people's actions.
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Post by Twista on Apr 17, 2007 3:05:04 GMT -5
Re: Phin...
"Two people are found murdered in a dorm and you expect the whole campus to be on a lock down? The authorities were given no reason to believe that the murderer would go to the opposite side of the campus and start killing people randomly. There was just as much chance that the killer would have went into a McDonalds across town and continued his rampage for that matter. Hindsight is always 20/20. "
I can't give examples of emergency situations I've witnessed, as it may identify the people that were involved with some of the "freak outs" but they do happen... And if the school didn't think to keep everyone off campus until the murders in the dorm were investigated, and they knew the perp was caught or long gone (as in the next day or so), they did fail the students. It was obvious that the campus and local police didn't provide proper protection to the other buildings, or the guy wouldn't have had time to fire off a hundred shots or so, over 25 minutes, before anyone got in there after him...
Hindsight is 20/20, but securing the campus should have been priority number one for the force...
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Post by phinehas on Apr 17, 2007 3:14:22 GMT -5
If people don't report gunfire and the cops are too far away to hear it, what do you want them to do?
Evacuating, searching everyone prior to leaving and locking down a University campus, including all of the buildings on said campus requires a little more information than what they had to go on, that the perp was still on the campus.
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Post by Twista on Apr 17, 2007 3:18:30 GMT -5
twista, I said I hated the LIFESTYLE not the people, they are the nicest people you can know (except dikes, they hate everyone). I dont hate anyone, I only hate actions. It is Gods place to pass judgement on their souls not mine. I only said I'm tired of all the bickering about whose getting mistreated, treated unfairly, not getting what everyone else is getting, being discriminated against. Yes, but the people who's lifestyle you hate would see it as not liking them, from the words they see... Not your feeling, but their perception of that feeling... Oh, and I have a bunch of lesbian friends. (I'm thinking of becoming one, if they let guys in the group...) Just my theory, but I see the hard exterior as a defense mechanism, rather like a lot of black women I've known. When one gets through that tough outer shell, and sees the vulnerablility inside, it's actually quite touching to share... It changes both people... They are doing it to themselves. No, that wouldn't be a homosexual, that would be a "masterbaiter"... LOL...
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Post by Twista on Apr 17, 2007 3:34:09 GMT -5
Re: Phin...
""Hate and fear usually are the closest of brothers..." This has never been proven to be actually true but is constantly used by people to give a REASON that they are comfortable with for why another person dislikes other people's actions."
Whoa dude... Someone stole my thought! LOL...
The way I look at it isn't all that may be read into it... For example, say that I hate the the flamboyant gay spectacle those people do in public... why?
Because it sickens me, and I fear what it exposes my children (wife, etc.) to... It's only a short step to hating the group that does what you find repugnant... And then deciding that all flamboyant (or not) gays are part of that group, and are to be hated... Fear of damage to one's own "group" from the other "group"...
Seems to be a logical step, and I'd bet a lot of people use that train of thought to formulate their feelings about a lot of groups that are different than their own... Not sure if something like that needs to be proved as occuring in every instance, because the mind is not governed by laws that are always "one or the other", with no third choices allowed...
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Post by Twista on Apr 17, 2007 3:37:18 GMT -5
Twista, let me make myself clear, I love everyone.....I have gay friends and they know my stance on this matter, what I meant about the bombing, just watch what they do in San francisco in a gay pride parade in front of children. Its sickening, that's all I meant by that statement. sorry you took it that I hate everyone who isn't a Christian, I want everyone to find Christ and to go to heaven. No, I don't think you hate everyone who isn't christian at all. You seem like you want what is best for everyone, and I don't carry a grudge about people anyway... LOL (You can be in our "hug a gay man" group too... LOL!)
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