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Post by bamagatr on Apr 7, 2007 7:21:53 GMT -5
Something about blondie that I have noticed, he is genuine in his beliefs. I'm not buying any of that... Rarely have I seen anyone any more INsecure in his/her beliefs as blondie has profusely exhibited... The constant hammering of others' "biased" and "ignorant" sources while claiming truth and objectivity for your own is the epitome of insecurity...
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Post by billt on Apr 7, 2007 8:31:58 GMT -5
to ALL here, what we are being told and what this narrow area of discussion is about is simply that the USAF does NOT have the ability to intercept a plane in under an HO(UR and 22 mintues, that from the moment we know somethingt goers off course that for the next HOUR and 22 minutes EVERY inch of the USA is open to attack and the USAF cant do anything to stop it from happening.
my counter is BS....how come over 30 years ago that was NOT the case? has the USAF gone backwards in technology over the last 30 years?
is our country really open to attack for almost an hour and a half? if so then lear jets and cessna's taking off from canada and mexico could hit almost every major city in that open window of opportunity before our USAF is able to respond!
simply put folks i have first hand knowledge that the USAF can intercept a plane flying inside our borders within MINUTES, or at least we could over 30 years ago!
we we are being told is that a plane going off course near jacksonville flying northwest couldnt be intercepted by jets from multiple bases within 200 miles at best from its course for one hour and 22 minutes! even when we had jets from tyndall(panama city) already in the air and in the immediate area!
IF i am "wrong" then how come the USSR didnt use those HUGE windows of opportunity to take us out? if i am wrong then why isnt the reality that the USAF is INEPT at defending out cities for an hour and a half a national scandal?
a side point how come the report claims stewart's plane is the ONLY intercept done in the years right before 2001 when the FACT is HUNDREDS of intercepts happened?
you can believe the government if you so desire, i dont....afterall we KNOW here in alabama that the legislature would NEVER lie to us about pay raises or such! or riley never lied to us about the need for his huge tax increase, schools did shut down didnt they? football season never happened? the bands didnt play?
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 9:58:19 GMT -5
Something about blondie that I have noticed, he is genuine in his beliefs. I'm not buying any of that... Rarely have I seen anyone any more INsecure in his/her beliefs as blondie has profusely exhibited... The constant hammering of others' "biased" and "ignorant" sources while claiming truth and objectivity for your own is the epitome of insecurity... He genuinely does not believe, but I think he's reaching out for proof of God, why else would someone who don't believe try to get into so many debates on whether or not God is real......I am so thankful that I do believe, I couldn't imagine how lonely it would feel to think that we have no God........he is real and he is with us always. Even with blondie, he will let us make our own decisions and choose our own destiny, but he is there. Blondie, Ive said it before and I'll say it again......I truly hope that someone or something on this forum shows you the light.....you eternal soul is on the line.......wouldn't you rather believe and have a chance to go to heaven instead of taking a chance that your wrong and burn for all eternity...........please try to find faith.... and doberman, the knowledge and faith in God is in no way fear of God, the only ones who should fear him are those who want to live their lives in sin without asking forgiveness.............what a terrible day it will be for nonbelievers when Christ returns......
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 7, 2007 10:01:18 GMT -5
bill, I am just going to sit you over in the "fruit & nut" corner, and smile & nod and agree with you. It was all the Jews and the Illegals. They are in on it together. They bombed the twins so they could cover a bank robbery and a Mexican invasion.
And how about we live in the here and now, and not in the eighth grade, or 30 years ago? Do you not remember that the government has been systematically downsizing the military for years? 16 fighters on alert in the continental US at any given time. Sounds as crazy as less than 6 state troopers on duty in the state after midnight.... Want to dispute THAT fact, too?
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Post by billt on Apr 7, 2007 11:12:41 GMT -5
without question and again from personal experience and knowledge, the number of jets on alert at any given time is HIGHLY classified information any number given to the public is PURE BS.
the ONLY people that would know the exact number have to have the proper security clearance AND "the need to know" and that need to know makes that number VERY SMALL!
IF somebody has given out actual info then they are guilty of treason and in violation of the oath they took and in violation of their security clearance.
rest assured the USAF has the ability to defend our borders.
16 is far LESS than one per air force base.
the constitution tasks the federal government with national security, and obviously a secure border is step ONE of national security!
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 7, 2007 11:55:46 GMT -5
He genuinely does not believe, but I think he's reaching out for proof of God, why else would someone who don't believe try to get into so many debates on whether or not God is real............ espy, bless your pea-pickin heart as my idol Tennessee Ernie Ford used to say.... that just ain't the way it is....blondie has no inkling to believe in God, and thinks that anyone who does is DANGEROUS....go back and read his/her posts and tell me I'm wrong....
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 12:17:26 GMT -5
He genuinely does not believe, but I think he's reaching out for proof of God, why else would someone who don't believe try to get into so many debates on whether or not God is real............ espy, bless your pea-pickin heart as my idol Tennessee Ernie Ford used to say.... that just ain't the way it is....blondie has no inkling to believe in God, and thinks that anyone who does is DANGEROUS....go back and read his/her posts and tell me I'm wrong.... I have read his post and came to that conclusion because of how passionate he is when it comes to the discussion of God. Just as someone who constantly preaches about the ills of pornography, most likely has an addiction to it. And as my wife always says if your very defencive about something then your probably trying to cover the truth. One would only go on like that if it is on their heart that what they think is actually wrong, he may even rebut what I'm saying right now but God has his way of shining his light in even the darkest of hearts. We should NEVER give up on anyone's soul, Jesus always spoke to the sinners and the lost, he never turned his back on them for non-belief.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 7, 2007 12:29:32 GMT -5
We should NEVER give up on anyone's soul, Jesus always spoke to the sinners and the lost, he never turned his back on them for non-belief. Absolutely true....but He did recognize some of them as being whited graves full of dead men's bones....
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 7, 2007 14:21:24 GMT -5
phin-
Look at it this way...
We Conservatives hold ourselves up to very high standards of personal conduct and ethics. Since we almost always meet and often surpass even those lofty goals, it's real news when we fall short.
Liberals, on the other hand, hold themselves to such low standards of personal conduct and ethics that it is news only when they fail to reach even those abysmally low standards- which they still often manage to do.
I'm the first one to admit that, given sufficient provocation, I am often compelled to respond in kind. Usually, I catch myself; sometimes, I have to >EDIT< a post after I was unable to catch myself. Rarely, I decide to let my verbal bombardment stand, if only to make a point that even Conservatives with Job-like patience get pushed across the line of comity.
I stopped posting on Another Local Talk Show Forum because I felt that I had crossed the line in my response to a provocateur. I've had to be especially careful to rein in my emotions because, as Matt Murphy has so far not added a Forum to his website, if I didn't I'd quickly run out of local outlets to spread rationality and truth and force the Left to try to defend their catastrophically-weak positions.
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 16:45:55 GMT -5
We should NEVER give up on anyone's soul, Jesus always spoke to the sinners and the lost, he never turned his back on them for non-belief. Absolutely true....but he did recognize some of them as being whited graves full of dead men's bones.... And it will always be his judgement to make, not ours. We are stewards of Christ word, not the judgement makers.
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 17:09:20 GMT -5
without question and again from personal experience and knowledge, the number of jets on alert at any given time is HIGHLY classified information any number given to the public is PURE BS. the ONLY people that would know the exact number have to have the proper security clearance AND "the need to know" and that need to know makes that number VERY SMALL! IF somebody has given out actual info then they are guilty of treason and in violation of the oath they took and in violation of their security clearance. rest assured the USAF has the ability to defend our borders. 16 is far LESS than one per air force base. the constitution tasks the federal government with national security, and obviously a secure border is step ONE of national security! and lets not forget how "surprised" the president was when he was given the information that the towers had been hit with hijacked planes....he was sitting in a class reading a book to children and didn't even bat an eye at the news. I still think it was an inside job. We hire osama to train his men for the attack then when its all over we pay osama and are unable to find him, tell me how in the hell can we not find ONE man who we think is responsible for attacking us, unless it isn't our intention on finding him. Then after we drop that ball we go after a country that had Nothing to do with the attacks........
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 17:17:30 GMT -5
yes an utterly FALSE accusation has been repeated by one of the "team". of course they already KNOW that this action constitutes LYING and a personal attack but it continues many months now and in the 3rd forum. dixiepixie, corny, and brandon no longer exist in my world, but they wont keep me from staying around here with their childish antics, LIES and vulgarities! YOU are the one who enspouces the wonders of marijuana over modern drugs, not me. Also, if you can't debate the facts in the investigation, calling the me a liar REALLY makes you look like you know what you are talking about. READ the damn report, then come back and tell me that it was "just 20 minutes" that the plane was intercepted. I am sure your eigth grade science teacher taught you the concepts of time zones and the time differences in said zones. please don't alienate the pot smokers, were not all alike you know....lol
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Post by lawman on Apr 7, 2007 18:14:00 GMT -5
without question and again from personal experience and knowledge, the number of jets on alert at any given time is HIGHLY classified information any number given to the public is PURE BS. the ONLY people that would know the exact number have to have the proper security clearance AND "the need to know" and that need to know makes that number VERY SMALL! IF somebody has given out actual info then they are guilty of treason and in violation of the oath they took and in violation of their security clearance. rest assured the USAF has the ability to defend our borders. 16 is far LESS than one per air force base. the constitution tasks the federal government with national security, and obviously a secure border is step ONE of national security! and lets not forget how "surprised" the president was when he was given the information that the towers had been hit with hijacked planes....he was sitting in a class reading a book to children and didn't even bat an eye at the news. I still think it was an inside job. We hire osama to train his men for the attack then when its all over we pay osama and are unable to find him, tell me how in the hell can we not find ONE man who we think is responsible for attacking us, unless it isn't our intention on finding him. Then after we drop that ball we go after a country that had Nothing to do with the attacks........ hmmm........seems someone has a clue.
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Post by blondie on Apr 7, 2007 19:28:20 GMT -5
I have read his post and came to that conclusion because of how passionate he is when it comes to the discussion of God. Just as someone who constantly preaches about the ills of pornography, most likely has an addiction to it. And as my wife always says if your very defencive about something then your probably trying to cover the truth. One would only go on like that if it is on their heart that what they think is actually wrong, he may even rebut what I'm saying right now but God has his way of shining his light in even the darkest of hearts. We should NEVER give up on anyone's soul, Jesus always spoke to the sinners and the lost, he never turned his back on them for non-belief. I was raised as a Christian and am fascinated by people that didn't grow out of it. It's so obviously not true. Believe me I'm not desperately looking for Jesus. To me that would be like desperately wanting to believe in Santa Clause. My fascination is why adults believe this stuff. This is typical of Atheists brought up in American Protestantism. Everybody is a type. www.nonprophetsradio.com/www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~slocks/tsr/list.html
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 21:34:47 GMT -5
I have read his post and came to that conclusion because of how passionate he is when it comes to the discussion of God. Just as someone who constantly preaches about the ills of pornography, most likely has an addiction to it. And as my wife always says if your very defencive about something then your probably trying to cover the truth. One would only go on like that if it is on their heart that what they think is actually wrong, he may even rebut what I'm saying right now but God has his way of shining his light in even the darkest of hearts. We should NEVER give up on anyone's soul, Jesus always spoke to the sinners and the lost, he never turned his back on them for non-belief. I was raised as a Christian and am fascinated by people that didn't grow out of it. It's so obviously not true. Believe me I'm not desperately looking for Jesus. To me that would be like desperately wanting to believe in Santa Clause. My fascination is why adults believe this stuff. This is typical of Atheists brought up in American Protestantism. Everybody is a type. www.nonprophetsradio.com/www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~slocks/tsr/list.htmlI'm sorry to hear that.......and I see the nature of your disbelief.....especially with the lie everyone seems to think is ok to force down our children's throat about santa, I have never lied to my children like that, they were taught the real meaning of the season. I understand where your mind is and the comparisons you have made with Zeus and other false gods, and your right, the term god is a vague label we have put on our creator, we really don't know his/her name( gender, I don't think should apply to our creator ). The fact still remains that we were created by a supreme being and that supreme being sent a savior( Jesus ) to give us the message of life and to die for our sins. God willing you may see the light before you die, until then I will continue to pray for those lost like yourself. I wont harp on you any more about it, you will have to make that decision yourself, it is between you and God........
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 7, 2007 22:04:04 GMT -5
bill-
My guess is that however many planes we had patrolling US airspace at the time is largely irrelevant because I'd almost be certain that they were all looking for threats from OUTSIDE US airspace and NOT inside it.
Setting that aside for the moment, assume that the fighters did intercept the hijacked planes in time. What would you have had them do? Shoot down US airliners with hundreds of innocents aboard? Maybe you could make that call after the first two planes hit the WTC....but did anyone have enough information prior to that to make the call?
What would have happened if someone- say, the President- did give the order to shoot down the planes before they hit the WTC and it turned out that the hijackers' real plans were a hostage trade for the Blind Sheik? Only hindsight allows you to make that call now.
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 22:20:43 GMT -5
bill- My guess is that however many planes we had patrolling US airspace at the time is largely irrelevant because I'd almost be certain that they were all looking for threats from OUTSIDE US airspace and NOT inside it. Setting that aside for the moment, assume that the fighters did intercept the hijacked planes in time. What would you have had them do? Shoot down US airliners with hundreds of innocents aboard? Maybe you could make that call after the first two planes hit the WTC....but did anyone have enough information prior to that to make the call? What would have happened if someone- say, the President- did give the order to shoot down the planes before they hit the WTC and it turned out that the hijackers' real plans were a hostage trade for the Blind Sheik? Only hindsight allows you to make that call now. Hindsight.....is always right....you make a good point, but no one can refute the non-reaction of our president when he was given the news, on camera.....our president is a terrible liar and I think his actions were very suspicious.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 7, 2007 22:27:48 GMT -5
I've never bought his 'official' explanation- that he didn't want to scare the kids.
If you recall, when he did give a brief statement a bit later outlining what had happened, he did so with teacher and kids virtually surrounding him.
My guess is that he was stunned and shocked, as I'd be willing to bet we all were.
Maybe he thinks that having an all-too-human reaction like that somehow makes him seem less "Presidential", but I'd disagree. He's the President, not Superman.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 7, 2007 22:28:50 GMT -5
How would you have expected him to react? Were the firefighters in NYC waiting for the President to tell them what to do before they reacted? I don't know what people expected him to do....does he have some force field at his disposal that he could have deployed? Was he to pick up the Kindergarten chair he was sitting on and hide under it? Was he to start crying or yell for the Secret Service to get him the hell out of there because a 757 was going to be able to pick out the school building he was in? Tell me what the President could have done with the time you and others think he should have been doing something else or reacting in some other way?
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 22:35:01 GMT -5
How would you have expected him to react? Were the firefighters in NYC waiting for the President to tell them what to do before they reacted? I don't know what people expected him to do....does he have some force field at his disposal that he could have deployed? Was he to pick up the Kindergarten chair he was sitting on and hide under it? Was he to start crying or yell for the Secret Service to get him the hell out of there because a 757 was going to be able to pick out the school building he was in? Tell me what the President could have done with the time you and others think he should have been doing something else or reacting in some other way? Not his physical reaction, it was the lack of facial concern, he just acted like someone told him his car was waiting.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 7, 2007 22:42:29 GMT -5
espy-
I'd not go quite that far.
The reaction I saw when his aide leaned over and whispered "We're under attack." in his ear looked to me like someone had struck the President a physical blow, a punch to the gut.
I agree with phin. With so very little sure knowledge in hand, I can't see what his detractors would expect the man to do.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 7, 2007 23:15:35 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. It's always nice to hear a calm voice of reason in a sh*t storm.
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Post by outcast on Apr 7, 2007 23:36:42 GMT -5
I keep seeing yall refer to blondie as him or he I thought blondie was a girl
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 7, 2007 23:45:56 GMT -5
I keep seeing yall refer to blondie as him or he I thought blondie was a girl Ida Know.... *shrug*
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Post by espy on Apr 8, 2007 0:03:26 GMT -5
I keep seeing yall refer to blondie as him or he I thought blondie was a girl Lets call em' out..........blondie, please clear this up for us.
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Post by Blenderboy on Apr 8, 2007 1:54:47 GMT -5
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 8, 2007 3:35:25 GMT -5
Hindsight.....is always right....you make a good point, but no one can refute the non-reaction of our president when he was given the news, on camera.....our president is a terrible liar and I think his actions were very suspicious. Yeah...right....he should have just totally freaked out right there in front of a bunch of third graders....
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 8, 2007 4:02:11 GMT -5
Hey you were right! I enjoyed this site! hugequestions.com/This guy is s fruitcake! I haven't been so entertained in a long time.
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Post by espy on Apr 8, 2007 9:14:38 GMT -5
Hindsight.....is always right....you make a good point, but no one can refute the non-reaction of our president when he was given the news, on camera.....our president is a terrible liar and I think his actions were very suspicious. Yeah...right....he should have just totally freaked out right there in front of a bunch of third graders.... subtleties, you don't have to totally freak out to make some sort of facial expression, unless he's the best poker player on earth. No one hearing about airplanes hitting the world trade center is going to have a completely blank face.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 8, 2007 9:28:49 GMT -5
I'll agree with womi. The Prez definetly looked stunned and you could tell that he was going over the information in his mind the rest of the time the video was on him.
I'll go out on a limb here and say even after the second plane hit the WTC, I still don't understand why it was characterized as "America is under attack". I dunno it just seems conceptually a statement that doesn't really fit at that point.
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