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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 7:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 9:10:21 GMT -5
NEVER FORGET!!!!!............that no plane hit world trade center 7. Why did a 47 story building collapse in on itself in New York City on 9-11? Why was there red hot liquid metal over 3 weeks after 9-11? Jet fuel is a hydrocarbon and its greatest heat potential is around 1,516 F. The steel used in the world trade centers was high grade steel. It would require temperatures of over 3,000 degrees F. The steel was still MELTED ONE MONTH AFTER 9-11 ACCORDING TO LOIZEAUX DEMOLITION, THE COMPANY CONTRACTED TO HELP ON GROUND ZERO. Study World trade center 7 for yourself and see if you think the mainstream media has been avoiding this information. Below is a link. killtown.911review.org/wtc7.htmlHow come you probably never heard of the WTC 7 collapsing until probably recently if you even heard of it then? Here are some 9-11 documentaries you can watch over the web. www.universalseed.org/main.aspThis guy is hilarious!!! www.theresistancemanifesto.com/
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 9:13:59 GMT -5
Do I have to go back and pull W.O.M.I.'s Popular Mechanic's links about this?
WTC7 collapsed because is was heavily damaged with the twins fell. My brother would have been at the Pentagon if it had not been for a family emergency. I don't think you will sell this conspiracy theory stuff with this crowd.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 9:17:45 GMT -5
Did you see any footage of it falling? It looks exactly like a controled demolition.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:25:21 GMT -5
One thing that was brought up on the Murphy show the other day had me wondering something. A caller made the point about the trade centers falling down and Matt brought up popular mechanics debunk article. He said that steel looses 50% of it's structural strength after it is heated over 1,000 degrees or something. That's all fine and dandy, but are you telling me that the steel was heated up to that temperature throughout ALL the levels of the building? One would think that the top 20 stories or whatever that was actually on fire would have collapsed and maybe collapsed a few stories below it but then would have stopped. It doesn't make sense to me that the top, super heated stories would collapse and just continue on down as it did.
Of course the caller didn't bring that up, so Matt was able to sit smug and pretty with his comeback.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 9:29:47 GMT -5
Give me the popular mech link and I'll see if they mention the MELTED STEEL A MONTH AFTER 9-11. I know heat can cause metal to lose its load bearing capacity at high temperatures. But the steel on ground zero was melted. A few things about the heat though: 1- Steel is a conductor of heat. When one portion is heated the heat travels through the rest of the piece. It doesn't just stay in one spot and pile up. It spreads it self out and the steel doesn't come close to reaching the temperature of the heat source. 2-Most of the jet fuel burned off upon impact in a huge fireball. 3-Jet fuel is a hydro carbon and can not burn hot enough to melt steel, especially hot enough to melt high grade steel. Plus the firmen's dispatch tapes records firemen saying explosions were going off. Witnesses such as police,firemen and citizens heard bombs and saw bright light emmissions consistent with controlled demolition. On 9-11 so many people's first thought after watching the towers collapse thought about controlled demolition. Dr Steven Jones of BYU recieved a sample of the steel from someone that was on ground zero and he stated that it tested positive for thermite. Thermite video clip video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1837033714967622806Have you ever watched loose change, terror storm or any other documentaries?
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 9:30:48 GMT -5
Do I have to go back and pull W.O.M.I.'s Popular Mechanic's links about this? WTC7 collapsed because is was heavily damaged with the twins fell. My brother would have been at the Pentagon if it had not been for a family emergency. I don't think you will sell this conspiracy theory stuff with this crowd. I heard a representative from Popular Mechanics get totally pwned by a 9-11 Truther on the radio. I reminded me of how creationists win debates. It's all about debate tricks. It doesn't work on the internet where you can fact check. I thought those kids did a great job with Loose Change, they've got a real future in Hollywood. They lost me with the motive. It was all an elaborate bank robbery. That reminds me of the Global Warming and Evolution deniers. All the scientists in the world are lying to get grant money. 9-11 conspiracies will be around for a long time. Get used to it.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:35:30 GMT -5
"1- Steel is a conductor of heat. When one portion is heated the heat travels through the rest of the piece."
I guess that explains my question to a point, but I go back to saying did the steel in every floor raise up to a temperature that would have caused it to be weakened.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 9:37:29 GMT -5
Well, let's see...
phin, it's called gravity. Remember that an object in motion tends to stay in motion. When the towers collapsed, they had the weight of all of the other floors added to the momentum. And steel starts loosing integrity after heated to 450 degrees, not 1,000 degrees.
WTC7 housed emergency dispatch offices. It had generators throughout the building, all feed by high pressure lines connected to fuel tanks IN the building.
Melted steel?
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:38:01 GMT -5
blondie- do you have to bring up your asinine insults on every topic. You are such a troll whore.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:41:52 GMT -5
DP - There have been plenty of high rise building fires that have gutted out floors but don't take a whole building down.
I now about gravity sweetie and momentum but I also know that the buildings are not structured to just barely hold up the weight of the floors above them.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 9:43:25 GMT -5
blondie- do you have to bring up your asinine insults on every topic. You are such a troll whore. I was making valid points about similar debate techniques. Thanks for the insults though
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:46:34 GMT -5
your welcome, troll.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 9:49:51 GMT -5
OK, lets hear it. The State Department's not a credible source. I found some lone nut living in a shack in the desert that believes 9-11 was a conspiracy. What make you think your precious "State Department" is any more credible than my nut? Huh? Huh? usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-672210.html
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 9:50:53 GMT -5
DP - There have been plenty of high rise building fires that have gutted out floors but don't take a whole building down. I now about gravity sweetie and momentum but I also know that the buildings are not structured to just barely hold up the weight of the floors above them. Let me find the link...Hold that thought. ..The fuel (jet , airplane whatever you want to call it)was fed through out the building through the elevator shafts. Hang on, damn it, where is W.O.M.I. when you REALLY need him.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 9:50:57 GMT -5
And steel starts loosing integrity after heated to 450 degrees, not 1,000 degrees.
maybe regular steel but the steel used in the towers were high grade astm e119 certified to withstand time temp curves of over 2,000 degree F for hours, not 450 degrees for 50 minutes and 100 minutes. The dispatch tapes of the firemen do not indicate a balazing out of control inferno. The firemen stated that they could knock it down with TWO LINES.
On top of that 450 Degree F does not explain the RED HOT MELTED STEEL ONE MONTH AFTER 9-11. It does not explain the squibs appearing 20-30 floors below the visible collapses and the explosions in the BASEMENT as stated by the janitor/hero William Rodrigez.
And evolutionists lose the debates because they are wrong. It is so amazing that it is taught from K-12 and more but the poor evolutionists never have quite enough time to explain their lies.
If evolution happened over millions of years, which evolved first? Blood or the circulatory system (veins, arteries ect) and how did we survive in the mean time?
Which evolved first your lungs or oxygen? and since it takes "millions" of years how did we survive?
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 9:55:15 GMT -5
Call me a troll, but a least I'm not signed on as a guest
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 9:56:13 GMT -5
Do you NOT understand that emergency generators have to get their fuel from somewhere? And where do MOST places store the fuel tanks that the high pressure hoses the fuel the generators get the fuel from? In the BASEMENT!!!!
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 9:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:57:15 GMT -5
blondie -
That's what Matt did to shut the caller up, require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. In other words, the one thing the caller questioned could not possibly be correct because the caller was given only one conclusion, to say yea or nay to by Matt.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 9:58:45 GMT -5
You are a troll. Whether I am on here as a guest or not has no bearing on that fact.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 9:59:04 GMT -5
One thing that was brought up on the Murphy show the other day had me wondering something. A caller made the point about the trade centers falling down and Matt brought up popular mechanics debunk article. He said that steel looses 50% of it's structural strength after it is heated over 1,000 degrees or something. That's all fine and dandy, but are you telling me that the steel was heated up to that temperature throughout ALL the levels of the building? One would think that the top 20 stories or whatever that was actually on fire would have collapsed and maybe collapsed a few stories below it but then would have stopped. It doesn't make sense to me that the top, super heated stories would collapse and just continue on down as it did. Of course the caller didn't bring that up, so Matt was able to sit smug and pretty with his comeback. Burt and Kurt tried telling me that the explosions the people were hearing were the bodies hitting the ground. I replied the explosions were heard inside the building around the area of impact. They then asked "do you really think the government would kill it's citizens" and they dumped me before I could say yes. The unborn babies are human beings and the gov't teaches it's ok in gov't schools, upheld by law in gov't courts and paid for by gov't when someone can't afford it. So yeah this gov't would kill innocents. Over 1,000,000 babies killed a year on average for around 40 years. They are still in the death business. Oh yea see OPERATION NORTHWOODS WHERE THE GOV'T PLANNED ON COMMITING TERRORISM AGAINST ITS POPULATION TO HAVE A REASON TO GO TO WAR.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 10:03:04 GMT -5
The explosions that were heard were the fuel tanks that fed the generators. Why do you think WTC7 burned for so long? I can't figure out why people do not connect the fact that ALL buildings with emergency back up power HAS to get the power from somewhere (generators). These things DO NOT run on electricity (if they did, why would they be needed?).
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 10:09:11 GMT -5
If evolution happened over millions of years, which evolved first? Blood or the circulatory system (veins, arteries ect) and how did we survive in the mean time? Which evolved first your lungs or oxygen? and since it takes "millions" of years how did we survive? I'm pretty sure oxygen was around before lungs. But this is a great example of how simplistic creationist thinking can be. These questions are unbelievably misguided. There's nothing stopping you from learning about evolution. www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-06/992025301.Ev.r.htmlevolution.berkeley.edu/
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:09:24 GMT -5
blondie - That's what Matt did to shut the caller up, require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. In other words, the one thing the caller questioned could not possibly be correct because the caller was given only one conclusion, to say yea or nay to by Matt. He can be such a lap dog for the neocons it isn't even funny.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 10:12:48 GMT -5
You are a troll. Whether I am on here as a guest or not has no bearing on that fact. Right, right. I'm really a Christian, a creationist and a global warming denier. Yeah, and I believe Jewish bank robbers blew up the World Trade Center. I just post all this stuff to rile you up. I guess you caught me.
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Post by chucksheen on Apr 6, 2007 10:17:00 GMT -5
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:19:47 GMT -5
Do you NOT understand that emergency generators have to get their fuel from somewhere? And where do MOST places store the fuel tanks that the high pressure hoses the fuel the generators get the fuel from? In the BASEMENT!!!! Do you NOT understand that the Hotel Windsor in Madrid Spain burned for over 24 hours (generators and all) and did not collapse? But three steel framed building collapsed on themselves in one day after people..... 1-Heard explosions 2-Saw explosions 3-And the Seismic Center in Palisades recorded their rumblings. And on top of all this we could prove it easier if old Rudy didn't have the crime scene shipped out of the country before it could be processed. And also if the planes hit over 65 stories above the basement how did it cause the generators in the BASEMENT to explode? They are indepent systems not connected. I don't even have any degrees in any type of engineering and could probably handle my own against those popular facists/mechanics.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:25:39 GMT -5
DP - There have been plenty of high rise building fires that have gutted out floors but don't take a whole building down. I now about gravity sweetie and momentum but I also know that the buildings are not structured to just barely hold up the weight of the floors above them. Let me find the link...Hold that thought. ..The fuel (jet , airplane whatever you want to call it)was fed through out the building through the elevator shafts. Hang on, damn it, where is W.O.M.I. when you REALLY need him. The elevator shafts were hermetically sealed and if the seal was broken on impact the fire would still require more oxygen than it had available to travel over 65 stories down, but that wouldn't happen because most of the fuel exploded in a big Orange ball upon impact.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 10:27:37 GMT -5
It was the Jews and the illegal Hispanics. They are in it together, to destroy the world. I will waste not one second more with the hysteria you Rosie O'Donnell wannabes keep trying to spread.
"Benjamin Chertoff is in fact related to Michael Chertoff"
His MOTHER told a reporter, that she thought he had a cousin by that name. That is the whole lynch pin people are hanging their hats on?
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