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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 10:28:31 GMT -5
You are a troll. Whether I am on here as a guest or not has no bearing on that fact. Right, right. I'm really a Christian, a creationist and a global warming denier. Yeah, and I believe Jewish bank robbers blew up the World Trade Center. I just post all this stuff to rile you up. I guess you caught me. blondie, I think we have found a topic we can totally agree on!
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:30:17 GMT -5
If evolution happened over millions of years, which evolved first? Blood or the circulatory system (veins, arteries ect) and how did we survive in the mean time? Which evolved first your lungs or oxygen? and since it takes "millions" of years how did we survive? I'm pretty sure oxygen was around before lungs. But this is a great example of how simplistic creationist thinking can be. These questions are unbelievably misguided. There's nothing stopping you from learning about evolution. www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-06/992025301.Ev.r.htmlevolution.berkeley.edu/Here is a quick gross question that evolution can't answer. Which evolved first, your rectum or the digestive track? and how did we get rid of waste during the "millions" years? Oh yea I forgot to tell you if you want to pretend its science you must present that little pesky thing called PROOF.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:32:18 GMT -5
Hello Sheen thanks a ton for coming.
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Post by INTERNET on Apr 6, 2007 10:36:35 GMT -5
The elevator shafts were hermetically sealed and if the seal was broken on impact the fire would still require more oxygen than it had available to travel over 65 stories down, but that wouldn't happen because most of the fuel exploded in a big Orange ball upon impact. Haha there's so much utter crap on these boards, for a start you are suggesting the elevator shafts were airtight? Oh really, then breaching one of these would result in large quantities of the surrounding gas being sucked in? The pressure wave created by liquid ingress, the following increase in pressure from air flowing into the breech and the final impact at the ground + basemenet floors would have easily atomised fuel into the appropriate gas concentrations. Not exactly hard to think through.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:39:18 GMT -5
It was the Jews and the illegal Hispanics. They are in it together, to destroy the world. I will waste not one second more with the hysteria you Rosie O'Donnell wannabes keep trying to spread. I'm actually a right winger on the far right. I disagree with Rosie on plenty of things like gun control, abortion, and her sexual preference but a broke clock is right twice a day if you want to play that game. She is taking a brave stand risking her job for asking the questions that have been ignored for so long.
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Post by Booty on Apr 6, 2007 10:48:17 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous thread. Am I the only one that saw a VIDEO of planes crashing into the WTC?
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 6, 2007 10:49:32 GMT -5
Do I have to go back and pull W.O.M.I.'s Popular Mechanic's links about this? But...now we have ROSIE!!!! So much for Popular Mechanics....
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:49:39 GMT -5
So far I've had no response to Northwoods? Why not? Surley your loving government would not
(ever increasing taxation, emenint domain property grabbing, economy/job destroying outsourcing, open border maintaing, sovereign country invading, wars based on lies and UN laws, and plans for gun grabbing disarmament so more false flag terror ca be perpetrated easier)
bring that idea back to the table to secure control over more oil after the most populated country in the world (china) started allowing its citizens to start owning more vehicles, which in result would create a bigger competiton for oil.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 10:51:16 GMT -5
Here is a quick gross question that evolution can't answer. Which evolved first, your rectum or the digestive track? and how did we get rid of waste during the "millions" years? You don't even understand why this question doesn't make sense do you? Do you really think evolutionists can't answer it? It amazes me that creationists make these sorts of claims rather than just look it up. I mean you're already on the internet. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think your Sunday school teacher has figured out something that blows all of biology out of the water? evolution.berkeley.edu/
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 10:52:48 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous thread. Am I the only one that saw a VIDEO of planes crashing into the WTC? I saw a video of the first one. I saw the second one on live feed from NBC.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 10:53:17 GMT -5
So far I've had no response to Northwoods? Why not? Surley your loving government would not (ever increasing taxation, emenint domain property grabbing, economy/job destroying outsourcing, open border maintaing, sovereign country invading, wars based on lies and UN laws, and plans for gun grabbing disarmament so more false flag terror ca be perpetrated easier) bring that idea back to the table to secure control over more oil after the most populated country in the world (china) started allowing its citizens to start owning more vehicles, which in result would create a bigger competiton for oil. You think Bush was behind 9/11?
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:54:45 GMT -5
The pressure wave created by liquid ingress, the following increase in pressure from air flowing into the breech and the final impact at the ground + basemenet floors would have easily atomised fuel into the appropriate gas concentrations.
Not exactly hard to think through.[/quote]
That thing just looked like a camp fire didn't it? W-I-N-K!
Did you see footage of firemen going up stairs to fight the fire or running to basement? I might have missed that?
Oh yea I remember it was to the area of impact. Quit trying to sound smart when you are overlooking the obvious.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 10:55:57 GMT -5
You know who know a lot about building demolition? A real expert, someone who grew up with that as their family business?
Osama bin Laden
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Post by Booty on Apr 6, 2007 10:56:26 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous thread. Am I the only one that saw a VIDEO of planes crashing into the WTC? I saw a video of the first one. I saw the second one on live feed from NBC. Me too. That's why I don't understand how anyone would think that the buildings weren't brought down by planes crashing into them.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 10:57:55 GMT -5
Here is a quick gross question that evolution can't answer. Which evolved first, your rectum or the digestive track? and how did we get rid of waste during the "millions" years? You don't even understand why this question doesn't make sense do you? Do you really think evolutionists can't answer it? It amazes me that creationists make these sorts of claims rather than just look it up. I mean you're already on the internet. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think your Sunday school teacher has figured out something that blows all of biology out of the water? evolution.berkeley.edu/Hey genius don't give me a link answer my specific question with some OBSERVABLE science. I did not say biology is wrong just EVOLUTION.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 11:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 11:05:26 GMT -5
You don't even understand why this question doesn't make sense do you? Do you really think evolutionists can't answer it? It amazes me that creationists make these sorts of claims rather than just look it up. I mean you're already on the internet. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think your Sunday school teacher has figured out something that blows all of biology out of the water? evolution.berkeley.edu/Hey genius don't give me a link answer my specific question with some OBSERVABLE science. I did not say biology is wrong just EVOLUTION. OK, no more of this. I should know better. If you're a creationist you already have crazy, made up ideas about science. This is an old song and dance. "The central organizing concept in biology is that all life has a common origin and has changed and developed through the process of evolution"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 11:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 11:10:20 GMT -5
www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one." FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse. According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down." There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities. Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time." WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 11:29:50 GMT -5
[/b][/quote] Let's not talk about what they BELIEVE. SHOW me some intense fires on WTC 7. Give me a link! Those folks are full of crap. That explanation was half the size of a dictionary ONLY BASED UPON A BELIEF OF INTENSE FIRES. No photographic evidence of this exists. If WTC 7 is so easy to explain and it's so cut and dry, how come nearly everyone I talk to had no idea a 47 story building collapsed straight down quickly in the same city on the same day? Remember there are plenty of tall buildings that caught on fire and burned for hours and hours (and it was visible) and they did not collapse? 911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/anal...tinterstate.htm 911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 11:32:14 GMT -5
So far I've had no response to Northwoods? Why not? Surley your loving government would not (ever increasing taxation, emenint domain property grabbing, economy/job destroying outsourcing, open border maintaing, sovereign country invading, wars based on lies and UN laws, and plans for gun grabbing disarmament so more false flag terror ca be perpetrated easier) bring that idea back to the table to secure control over more oil after the most populated country in the world (china) started allowing its citizens to start owning more vehicles, which in result would create a bigger competiton for oil. You think Bush was behind 9/11? Yes. In some shape fashion or form. He surley isn't doing much to expose what really happened.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 11:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by espy on Apr 6, 2007 11:48:01 GMT -5
I don't know if its such a good idea to chime in here but Ive just got to throw out my opinion.
The evidence behind all of the other things that happened that day do point to it being completely set up to happen by our government in order to push its policies on us with a good excuse, and when I say government I mean the wealthy business men who want to control everything.
What about the evidence (or lack of) of the other planes that crashed, they both just disintegrated, the one in the field left no debris ( the first one in history to do that), and the one in the pentagon left fragments of a jet motor that didn't belong to that aircraft but closely resembling a cruse missile, how can anyone refute that. These impacts were not hot enough to vaporize all of the material that made up these planes, in my opinion, the other impacts were planned to bolster the whole terrorist story, I think the it was part of an elaborate plan to steal billions of dollars and to assume total control of Americans by pushing anti-terrorist bills, I love America but the powers that control us have proven over and over that they will do as they please regardless of what we the people want, take the war in Iraq. I am NOT a conspiracy freak I follow the evidence and the evidence points to it being an inside job, they may have hired osama and his men to help carry it out but our government knew exactly what was going to happen.
Bush and others in power don't look at the USA as we do, they look at it as being a stepping stone to their master plan of a one world government, so in their eyes they have to make some sacrifices in order to continue to their goal.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 11:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 11:52:30 GMT -5
3.Demolition experts tell Popular Mechanics that wiring a building the size of WTC7 for clandestine demolition would present insurmountable logistical challenges. That issue aside, there’s a clear-cut engineering explanation for why the building fell the way it did. Trusses on the fifth and seventh floors of the building were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another; with the south face heavily damaged, the other columns were likely overtaxed. In engineering terms, the “progressive collapse” began on the eastern side, when weakened columns failed from the damage and fire. The entire building fell in on itself as the slumping east side dragged down the west side in a diagonal pattern. Still, damage to the Verizon Building (see p. 21 of this report), directly west of WTC7, and to Fiterman Hall (see here) directly north, show that it was hardly an orderly collapse.Try and look beyond the Rosie view you have. The owner of the WTC 7 stated he had it "pulled". You and old Larry Silverstein should have a good debate with it. Do you agree with Silverstein? He said he told them to "pull it". Did they "pull it" or not? Larry says they did. killtown.911review.org/wtc7.html YEP, THEY "PULLED IT". You are wrong.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 11:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 11:58:53 GMT -5
espy, go back and slog through the 9 page article in Popular Mechanics. It has photographs of the debris the two planes left. It has photographs of close up (closer than any of us saw that day on television) damage to the Pentagon and the grounds.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 12:03:38 GMT -5
I have already agreed with you. The illegal Hispanics and the Jews are taking over the world. They got together and flew planes into the twins, then they blew up WTC7.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:04:44 GMT -5
Rosie is a sodomite but Alex Jones would blow everyone at 101.1 out of the water on being a conservative. Some of his religious beliefs aren't correct though. www.infowars.com/ and www.prisonplanet.com/
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Post by billt on Apr 6, 2007 12:08:20 GMT -5
one POINT that has NEVER been answered, how come the USAF didnt intercept hi-jacked planes that flew for over an hour AFTER being taken over? we intercepted payne stewart's plane in less than 10 minutes, and one of those planes was headed to DC, the USAF is NOT capable of intercepting a plane headed towards the capitol for almost an hour? i was in the USAF communications service with a TS clearance and assure you we could have intercepted ALL those planes back in 1972-5! why couldnt we 25 years?
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