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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:09:26 GMT -5
I have already agreed with you. The illegal Hispanics and the Jews are taking over the world. They got together and flew planes into the twins, then they blew up WTC7. They stole american jobs. I hate out sourcing!!! Just think after they get amnesty they will be commiting all of the false flag ops and old whitey will be left out in the cold. Again
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:11:10 GMT -5
I don't know if its such a good idea to chime in here but Ive just got to throw out my opinion. The evidence behind all of the other things that happened that day do point to it being completely set up to happen by our government in order to push its policies on us with a good excuse, and when I say government I mean the wealthy business men who want to control everything. What about the evidence (or lack of) of the other planes that crashed, they both just disintegrated, the one in the field left no debris ( the first one in history to do that), and the one in the pentagon left fragments of a jet motor that didn't belong to that aircraft but closely resembling a cruse missile, how can anyone refute that. These impacts were not hot enough to vaporize all of the material that made up these planes, in my opinion, the other impacts were planned to bolster the whole terrorist story, I think the it was part of an elaborate plan to steal billions of dollars and to assume total control of Americans by pushing anti-terrorist bills, I love America but the powers that control us have proven over and over that they will do as they please regardless of what we the people want, take the war in Iraq. I am NOT a conspiracy freak I follow the evidence and the evidence points to it being an inside job, they may have hired osama and his men to help carry it out but our government knew exactly what was going to happen. Bush and others in power don't look at the USA as we do, they look at it as being a stepping stone to their master plan of a one world government, so in their eyes they have to make some sacrifices in order to continue to their goal. AHHHH!!! A breath of fresh air again.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 12:11:38 GMT -5
one POINT that has NEVER been answered, how come the USAF didnt intercept hi-jacked planes that flew for over an hour AFTER being taken over? we intercepted payne stewart's plane in less than 10 minutes, and one of those planes was headed to DC, the USAF is NOT capable of intercepting a plane headed towards the capitol for almost an hour? i was in the USAF communications service with a TS clearance and assure you we could have intercepted ALL those planes back in 1972-5! why couldnt we 25 years? Bill, it took an HOUR and TEN minutes to intercept Payne's plane. They flew across a time zone.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 6, 2007 12:14:24 GMT -5
If you're a creationist you already have crazy, made up ideas about science. This is an old song and dance. It sure is an old song and dance...and no matter how many times you say it, it's still horse shit...
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 12:18:35 GMT -5
www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=3CLAIM: "It has been standard operating procedures for decades to immediately intercept off-course planes that do not respond to communications from air traffic controllers," says the Web site oilempire.us. "When the Air Force 'scrambles' a fighter plane to intercept, they usually reach the plane in question in minutes." FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent. Sorry, I was wrong..and hour and 22 minutes...
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:18:38 GMT -5
one POINT that has NEVER been answered, how come the USAF didnt intercept hi-jacked planes that flew for over an hour AFTER being taken over? we intercepted payne stewart's plane in less than 10 minutes, and one of those planes was headed to DC, the USAF is NOT capable of intercepting a plane headed towards the capitol for almost an hour? i was in the USAF communications service with a TS clearance and assure you we could have intercepted ALL those planes back in 1972-5! why couldnt we 25 years? Here are some high up gov't people that believe the 9-11 commission report is a fraud! www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreportI'm a police officer also so there is one more gov't employee.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by billt on Apr 6, 2007 12:25:27 GMT -5
no hard to find TRUTH >>>Instead, according to an Air Force timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with a pair of F-16 Falcons from the Air National Guard at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact.<<<< from this link www.wanttoknow.info/991026dallasmorningnewssorry blondie you indeed were WRONG
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:32:59 GMT -5
no hard to find TRUTH >>>Instead, according to an Air Force timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with a pair of F-16 Falcons from the Air National Guard at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact.<<<< from this link www.wanttoknow.info/991026dallasmorningnewssorry blondie you indeed were WRONG I hate to have to correct you but she's wrong..........AGAIN.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 12:36:57 GMT -5
Man I thought I might have been maybe the only listener to 101.1 that thought 9-11 was an inside job. Has anyone read 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA by Webster Griffin Tarpley?
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 12:47:24 GMT -5
"OK, no more of this. I should know better. If you're a creationist you already have crazy, made up ideas about science. This is an old song and dance."
Sweeet! That means you will stop trolling with your garbage that you don't want answers for.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 12:49:41 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous thread. Am I the only one that saw a VIDEO of planes crashing into the WTC? I saw a video of the first one. I saw the second one on live feed from NBC. Did you know that a plane crashed into the Empire State building? Hmmm, it's still there.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 12:50:29 GMT -5
Here is the NTSB Aircraft Accident Breif: www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.htmYou will notice that contact was lost @ 0933 EDT and interception was made at 0952 CDT ...Do you understand how time zones work? 0952 CDT is 1052 EDT. (1 hour and 19 minutes after contact was lost) Do I really have to go beyond this simple time zone discussion that even a fifth grader can follow?
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 13:11:49 GMT -5
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I heard a representative from Popular Mechanics get totally pwned by a 9-11 Truther on the radio.
I reminded me of how creationists win debates. It's all about debate tricks. It doesn't work on the internet where you can fact check.
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It sounds like evolutionists and The mechanics "fact check" before debating.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 13:14:02 GMT -5
Phinehas what area are you from? I'm from Decatur.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 13:14:39 GMT -5
Here is the NTSB Aircraft Accident Breif: www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.htmYou will notice that contact was lost @ 0933 EDT and interception was made at 0952 CDT ...Do you understand how time zones work? 0952 CDT is 1052 EDT. (1 hour and 19 minutes after contact was lost) Do I really have to go beyond this simple time zone discussion that even a fifth grader can follow? Well, I guess if you can't find a way to say a fact is incorrect, you just ignore it. Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society, too?
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Post by billt on Apr 6, 2007 13:16:17 GMT -5
a second pair of jets arrived at 9:52 CDT....ANG planes from tyndall near panama city had already intercepted long before that after diverting from their planned mission, they were already in the air and made the intercept within 20 minuites of losing contact.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 13:18:34 GMT -5
Did you READ the accident report, bill? The INITIAL intercept was at 0952 CDT, NOT a second one. Geeze, I guess next you people will claim that 9/11 was all planned and Payne Stewart was a practice run or something.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 13:23:00 GMT -5
The relevant exert:
****At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.
About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response. About 1000 CDT, the test pilot began a visual inspection of N47BA. There was no visible damage to the airplane, and he did not see ice accumulation on the exterior of the airplane. Both engines were running, and the rotating beacon was on. He stated that he could not see inside the passenger section of the airplane because the windows seemed to be dark. Further, he stated that the entire right cockpit windshield was opaque, as if condensation or ice covered the inside. He also indicated that the left cockpit windshield was opaque, although several sections of the center of the windshield seemed to be only thinly covered by condensation or ice; a small rectangular section of the windshield was clear, with only a small section of the glare shield visible through this area. He did not see any flight control movement. About 1012 CDT, he concluded his inspection of N47BA and proceeded to Scott AFB, Illinois.*****
The intercept was from EGLIN, not Tyndell.
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Post by solomon on Apr 6, 2007 13:33:53 GMT -5
It's my bedtime folks. I gotta go back to work tonight at 6:45 pm. It was fun chatting. See yall later Lord willing.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 13:35:19 GMT -5
It's my bedtime folks. I gotta go back to work tonight at 6:45 pm. It was fun chatting. See yall later Lord willing. Why am I still up? I got to work tonight, too..
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 13:37:02 GMT -5
bill, if you can come up with a way to deny the actual accident brief, let me know. I think I will stick with the information collected by the investigators, and not the internet hacks who are looking for boogie men under their skirts all the time.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 14:37:17 GMT -5
no hard to find TRUTH >>>Instead, according to an Air Force timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with a pair of F-16 Falcons from the Air National Guard at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact.<<<< from this link www.wanttoknow.info/991026dallasmorningnewssorry blondie you indeed were WRONG And, bill, I am a redhead, not a blondie
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 6, 2007 15:48:26 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly have the good sympathy for Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day"?
DP, bama-
Great job of bringing facts to the discussion as you always do.
However, this is another one of those topics wherein the other side doesn't want to actually engage in a debate. You could go dig up (I know you actually can't but work with me here) Mohammed Atta, bring him back to life and ask him what really happened and, if he said that yes it was OBL that financed the attacks and KSM that planned it, these wingnuts would say that he was tortured to force him to confess (after all, he was incinerated, right?).
You can't convince such people because, like those who believed Clinton ran a drug smuggling operation out of a small airfield in Arkansas, they've already made up their minds that the people in charge are evil, corrupt tyrannical dictators who belong to various secret organizations bent on establishing a One World Government/New World Order.
Sometimes you just have to refrain from feeding the trolls.
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Post by Booty on Apr 6, 2007 16:00:01 GMT -5
I saw a video of the first one. I saw the second one on live feed from NBC. Did you know that a plane crashed into the Empire State building? Hmmm, it's still there. A commercial airliner?
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Post by billt on Apr 6, 2007 16:00:38 GMT -5
a simple point, one thing i bring to the discussion that NONE of you have, 4 years of working in the USAF communications service TRACKING aircraft movements.....I KNOW what our USAF does and can do...intercepting a jet over south alabama is childs play for the USAF and IF it takes an hour somebody screwed big time!
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 6, 2007 16:35:20 GMT -5
Did you know that a plane crashed into the Empire State building? Hmmm, it's still there. A commercial airliner? booty- No, I want to say it was a Mitchell B-25, a WW2-era medium bomber. I don't know the exact size comparison to, say, a 737, but I'd guess it's about 1/3 to 1/2 that big. That said, that particular instance isn't a good comparison to the 9/11 attacks because of the different way the Towers were built as opposed to the Empire State Building. The Towers were a marvel of engineering and physics in that, as I understand it, the lattice-style framework around the outside of the building constituted the majority of the stree-bearing mechanism. In other words, the weight of the building was borne by the four sides basically pulling against each other, sort of like how a trampoline is built. The Empire State Building is a masterpiece of old engineering in that it's load-bearing parts are the steel trusses within the building. It's strength is from the inside-out. Engineers have said that it is very unlikely that a single airliner crash would bring down the ESB, though very large portions of its stone fascade would be dislodged. I know that I said I wouldn't 'feed the trolls', but I feel I need to chime in regarding WTC7 and I'm quite liable to hack off both sides with my explanation. Remember the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City and how engineers explained its collapse? OK...setting aside for a moment the fact that the Murrah building was brought down by a(n) (un)controlled demolition, here are the similarities: WTC 7 had columns along the side that faced WTC 1 and WTC 2. Those columns were load-bearing; knock them down and what's above resting on them will come down too. The truck bomb in Oklahoma City destroyed several of the columns that lined the outside of the Murrah Building and, when those colums were removed, the structure collapsed in exactly the same way as they did at WTC 7. The difference is that it was a bomb that destroyed the columns in the Murrah Building collapse while it was debris from WTC 1 and 2 that destroyed the columns of WTC 7. Engineers report that, when the Towers fell, WTC 7 was subjected to the same amoung of energy as a "volcanic explosion". Seen the pix of Mt. St. helens blowing up? That's pretty serious.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 16:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by phinehas on Apr 6, 2007 16:42:48 GMT -5
"However, this is another one of those topics wherein the other side doesn't want to actually engage in a debate."
I think you are jumping the gun here.
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 16:51:58 GMT -5
You don't even understand why this question doesn't make sense do you? Do you really think evolutionists can't answer it? It amazes me that creationists make these sorts of claims rather than just look it up. I mean you're already on the internet. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think your Sunday school teacher has figured out something that blows all of biology out of the water? evolution.berkeley.edu/Hey genius don't give me a link answer my specific question with some OBSERVABLE science. I did not say biology is wrong just EVOLUTION. You should thank me for link answers. I'm doing the research you should have done before making a oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold creationist point. creationwiki.org/%28Talk.Origins%29_Interpreting_evidence_is_not_the_same_as_observation
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