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Post by killer on May 23, 2007 9:56:50 GMT -5
Here we go again. We are about to tick them off.
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 10:25:40 GMT -5
We should send 'em flowers. Daisies, in fact. Every homicidal dictator loves daisies.
*pause*
.......hold......
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.......now attack!!!!
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 11:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 11:20:04 GMT -5
Gas prices will actually become outrageous when I see people driving at the speed limits or below it. Until then, the majority of people don't seem to be phased by it. Vrooom.
All indicators, employment, stock market, etc. show that the economy is not coming apart. Maybe it is just your situation but it's not a situation of the nation as a whole.....on paper anyway.
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 11:22:03 GMT -5
Gas prices will actually become outrageous when I see people driving at the speed limits or below it. Until then, the majority of people don't seem to be phased by it. Vrooom. Typical response from a paid 'shill!'
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 11:23:42 GMT -5
The truth is the truth.
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 11:27:29 GMT -5
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 11:34:29 GMT -5
So......you finally admit you're a 'paid shill!' That's progress!
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 11:36:44 GMT -5
"The truth is the truth" <-------------------------------------------->"paid shill"
I'm not seeing the connection.......
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 12:13:57 GMT -5
"So......you finally admit you're a 'paid shill!' That's progress!"
What I said was the truth...regardless of whether you think it's coming from a "paid shill" or not. That was the point of my response, not that your comment about me being a "paid shill" was true. Heck, I would love to get paid for voicing my opinions. The fact is that they are just my opinions and are voiced at my discretion and nobody elses. Please direct me to a website where my opinions can make me money, thanks.
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Post by killer on May 23, 2007 12:47:37 GMT -5
zoo,
I don't think it's Congress. News this morning said president authorized CIA to conduct shadow war in Iran. Something about the media there, bank accounts, etc. More meddling...
Does Iran or perhaps other countries come here and meddle like we do there?
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 12:51:44 GMT -5
Killer, I understand. My post was in response to lawman's post.
In response to your question: Do you think it's a good idea to allow that homicidal dictator to have the nuke? Do you think that's in our, or anyone's best interest?
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Post by killer on May 23, 2007 12:56:38 GMT -5
I think if we have one, then they should be able to have one.
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 13:17:07 GMT -5
You actually trust Ahmadinejad with nuclear capabilities? You've got to be kidding. This man consistently talks about wiping Israel off the face of the earth and would do the same with us if given the opportunity.
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Post by killer on May 23, 2007 13:23:45 GMT -5
I do not know him. I know our gov. puts out info. to lead us to believe he is evil. They do the same over there -- they say we are evil. They do not want us to have nukes, like we don't want them to have nukes. Who is the judge to say who is better? Us?
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 13:29:43 GMT -5
killer believes in "moral realitivism", a viewpoint which basically says that the United States at its best was/is no better nor worse than Nazi Germany at its worst.
Leave it to the MSM to expose yet another classified program so that it will cease to have any chance at being effective. If that's not 'aiding and abetting' the enemy, I don't know what would fit the definition.
Democrats are currently conducting over three dozen investigations- almost all of them political witch hunts- into circumstances and events surrounding the Bush Administration. Would it kill them to investigate the NY Times, Washington Post and other seditious organizations who actually have done damage to the country?
The only rational conclusion one can draw from the leak of this program is that the MSM's primary agenda is to damage the Bush Administration in any way they can find. To the MSM, Bush is the enemy- not the Jihadists.
Did the MSM squawk when Clinton used "Carnivore" to actually spy on American citizens without a warrant? Nope...but let Bush >NOT< spy on American citizens and they bitch and moan that the "Constitution is under assault".
The time to revoke the press credential of the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post and other seditious and treasonous organizations is long past. There are plenty of other news organizations who have proven to be responsible stewards of national security secrets- and some of them aren't called "Fox News!. Bush should demand that the Justice Department lauch an investigation of who is leaking the existance of such secret programs to these news organizations, who is accepting the leaks, who is authorizing printing and therefore exposure of these leaks and to prosecute the whole sorry bunch to the limit of the law.
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Post by billt on May 23, 2007 14:08:46 GMT -5
as the holder of a top secret security clearance TRUTH is needed in this thread.....the ONLY way the "media" gets anything classified is somebody with a clearance to VIOLATE the law and tell that classified info to the "media". "There are plenty of other news organizations who have proven to be responsible stewards of national security secrets- and some of them aren't called "Fox News!" say WHAT? it is against the law for ANY news organization to have classified info....they are NEVER supposed to be a "steward" of such info! ONLY people with a "need to know" get access......in the communications center whenever a TS mesage came in the ONLY person that looked at it was the person that received the message, his boss in the center did NOT "need to know" so wasnt shown.....the handler read the message determined its proper routing, put a COVER over the entire message and passed it ONLY to the ONE person it was routed to. IF any info is being passed to the "media" then the commander in chief is NOT doing his JOB!
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 14:11:17 GMT -5
killer, maybe you just don't know anything about this guy but here's something you should consider: This man consistently talks about wiping Israel and the US off the face of the earth. These aren't reports being made up by any government agency. This is straight from that psycho's mouth. Is that not enough for you?
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 14:48:15 GMT -5
How ridiculous, to say that the commander in chief is responsible for ensuring that leaks do not occur from the military. He is only one man and there are thousands of people in the government that have the ability to leak information. He can't prevent people in the military, the CIA, FBI or congress from leaking information. His only failure in my opinion is that he hasn't or at least it doesn't appear that he has tried to prosecute those that have leaked information.
Perfect example now, is the issue of this topic. Is the congress doing any investigation into the leaking of CIA information to the media? No, they are too busy going after Bush administration people over non-crimes.
I still can not fathom how the United States media is ALLOWED to then report secret information and get away with it. I don't CARE if it was leaked to them by somebody that wants to commit treason....the fact that they disclose the information KNOWING full well that it is secret information dealing with the security of the United States is unconscionable in my book.
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 14:56:26 GMT -5
killer is funny like that and this argument of her line of reasoning is a continual re-hash. If she had a knife and a rapist didn't, she would open up the utencil drawer and hand him one, because hey, who is she to judge whether or not she can have a weapon and he can't.
I personally can not understand this thought process and it boggles my mind that she has lived as long as she has if she kept this ideology on a personal level as well.
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 15:40:27 GMT -5
killer is funny like that and this argument of her line of reasoning is a continual re-hash. If she had a knife and a rapist didn't, she would open up the utencil drawer and hand him one, because hey, who is she to judge whether or not she can have a weapon and he can't. I personally can not understand this thought process and it boggles my mind that she has lived as long as she has if she kept this ideology on a personal level as well. Maybe she's had that child-like Faith and the protection of GOD, because doesn't worry about what you don't ' understand?!'
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 15:46:04 GMT -5
Maybe she's had that child-like Faith and the protection of GOD, because doesn't worry about what you don't ' understand?!'LOL!!!! I love that little picture!!!! Too funny!!!!
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 15:53:01 GMT -5
You're a FOOL! You would love that foolishness!
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 15:56:43 GMT -5
lawman - Yeah, let's just have America disarm all of our nukes, mothball all of our military weapons and fire all of our military personnel. I wonder how long it would take before the first foreign bomb would drop on our soil? Not long at all.
Or if that is too much, then let's pull back all of our military to our shores...stay within our borders, never go out into international waters. It will take longer but the vacuum of our left presence would be filled up by another entity. Let's guess who it would be? Fast forward....we are now surrounded by one global nation, which formed from taking over other countries as we sat idly by, not wanting to "stick our nose" in others business. At that point, we would have to nuke our own soil to stop an invasion, occupation and defeat. Me thinks we won't do anything but give in at that point.
So, let's not worry about what regimes gain nuclear weapons and contract into our tiny turtle shells......and hope for the best.
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 15:59:11 GMT -5
You're a FOOL! You would love that foolishness! Don't blame me that you can't write. Or that you have no sense of humor.
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 16:29:15 GMT -5
lawman - Yeah, let's just have America disarm all of our nukes, mothball all of our military weapons and fire all of our military personnel. I wonder how long it would take before the first foreign bomb would drop on our soil? Not long at all. Or if that is too much, then let's pull back all of our military to our shores...stay within our borders, never go out into international waters. It will take longer but the vacuum of our left presence would be filled up by another entity. Let's guess who it would be? Fast forward....we are now surrounded by one global nation, which formed from taking over other countries as we sat idly by, not wanting to "stick our nose" in others business. At that point, we would have to nuke our own soil to stop an invasion, occupation and defeat. Me thinks we won't do anything but give in at that point. So, let's not worry about what regimes gain nuclear weapons and contract into our tiny turtle shells......and hope for the best. 'deovindice' put it very succinctly in his post in the ''Arrogance' Thread today! -- Below -- ''We leave far too much undone here at home, while we insist on meddling about in the rest of the world. I understand that domestic concerns aren't as sexy as foreign intrigues to those in power, but we must take care of "home".
Quote:What is the 'right' lesson? Isolationism? Impossible now; technology rules it out. Disengagement? Can't be done and for much the same reason. Containment? Possible, depending on the foe's weaponry and capabilities. Diplomacy? possible, but much depends on the Other Guy and his rationalisty or lack of such.
How about a combination of all the above?
Quote:I think the best international strategy would be "Peace Thru Strength".
''Of course. Be strong. Peace through strength was advocated by our Founders, based on a notion that when we remain strong, potential foes aren't likely to dick around with us. ''
.................but then, that strength was meant to be used as a deterrent, and not as a means of conducting our foreign policy. It was also meant to be used in defending the nation.
Perhaps in guarding the borders? (Ours, not Iraq's.)
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 16:32:53 GMT -5
'deovindice' put it very succinctly in his post in the ''Arrogance' Thread today! -- Below -- ''We leave far too much undone here at home, while we insist on meddling about in the rest of the world. I understand that domestic concerns aren't as sexy as foreign intrigues to those in power, but we must take care of "home".
Quote:What is the 'right' lesson? Isolationism? Impossible now; technology rules it out. Disengagement? Can't be done and for much the same reason. Containment? Possible, depending on the foe's weaponry and capabilities. Diplomacy? possible, but much depends on the Other Guy and his rationalisty or lack of such.
How about a combination of all the above?
Quote:I think the best international strategy would be "Peace Thru Strength".
''Of course. Be strong. Peace through strength was advocated by our Founders, based on a notion that when we remain strong, potential foes aren't likely to dick around with us. ''
.................but then, that strength was meant to be used as a deterrent, and not as a means of conducting our foreign policy. It was also meant to be used in defending the nation.
Perhaps in guarding the borders? (Ours, not Iraq's.)
OK but you seemed to be supporting killer's position of leveling the playing field by letting Iran have nukes. Are you saying you actually disagree with killer's stance?
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 16:36:02 GMT -5
We're on to you ... multiple user names... phinehas/zoomixer/kevin, etc.
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 16:41:33 GMT -5
We're on to you ... multiple user names... phinehas/zoomixer/kevin, etc. Don't try to project your stupid little tricks on to me. While I appreciate the comparison (they might not ;D ), anyone with any ability to read would be able to tell the difference in the ways we write.
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 16:46:06 GMT -5
We're on to you ... multiple user names... phinehas/zoomixer/kevin, etc. Don't try to project your stupid little tricks on to me. While I appreciate the comparison (they might not ;D ), anyone with any ability to read would be able to tell the difference in the ways we write. Now who/what exactly are we hearing from?
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