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Post by killer on Jan 18, 2007 17:30:00 GMT -5
I am not one to recommend lengthy reading material on forums, but today I read a very moving article about the children of Iraq. Please read "The Next Jihadists" in the recent Newsweek magazine. A very enlightening article about the next generation of Iraqis and how they feel about the U.S. Their lives have been ripped apart. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16610767/site/newsweek/Just go to this website. No need to buy the magazine.
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Post by killer on Jan 18, 2007 22:23:46 GMT -5
Excerpt from article:
Iraq is a young country: nearly half the population is under the age of 18. And those children have had a particularly turbulent upbringing. Hassan Ali, a sociologist at the Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs, estimates that at least 1 million Iraqi kids have seen their lives damaged by the war—they've lost parents and homes, watched as their communities have been torn apart by sectarian furies. "These children will come to believe in the principles of force and violence," says Ali. "There's no question that society as a whole is going to feel the effects in the future"—and not only Iraqi society. From the Middle East to Europe to America, violence may well beget violence around the world for years to come the ongoing violence is creating a generation that is undereducated, unemployed, traumatized and, among boys in particular, ripe for the vengeful appeals of militias and insurgent groups.
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Post by jayliewow on Jan 19, 2007 12:50:50 GMT -5
This thought has often crossed my mind as a question of potential outcome. I've never really settled on an answer though this is always a consideration that crosses my mind.
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Post by killer on Jan 22, 2007 14:51:08 GMT -5
Since no one is interested in answering the question, I'll do it. The answer is hate. The Iraqis will hate us forever.
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Post by Casual Observer on Jan 22, 2007 16:38:19 GMT -5
Since no one is interested in answering the question, I'll do it. The answer is hate. The Iraqis will hate us forever. With a vengeance! Morgan
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Post by MOTR on Jan 31, 2007 9:58:05 GMT -5
Those were two excellent articles!
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Post by meatman on Feb 1, 2007 17:25:15 GMT -5
My Brother in Law, and my son, just got back from over there, and they both say that the Iraqis hate us. They smile to our faces, then go put on masks and shoot at us.
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Post by killer on Feb 1, 2007 20:37:33 GMT -5
Sounds like they want us out of there.
Many of the factories where the Iraqis worked before the invasion have been shut down (or blown up.) They just want to go to work and provide for their families. These men who used to go to work every day have now taken up arms (joined militias.)
Young boys who used to go to school have also joined militias to help out their mothers (since fathers have been killed.)
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Post by phinehas on Feb 1, 2007 20:46:46 GMT -5
Your drawing conclusions from the actions of people that murder other people. What those specific people want shoudn't be the deciding factor in this should it? What about the Iraqi people that are not murdering other Iraqis? I don't have the latest figures but it would be a safe bet that law abiding Iraqis that don't blow up innocent people at shopping malls, funerals and weddings out number those that do. I don't take too much stock in what murderers want.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 1, 2007 20:50:14 GMT -5
"Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania said: "I would respectfully suggest to the president that he is not the sole 'decider' ... The decider is a shared and joint responsibility."
The President is the sole decider in how a war is waged, which is the context of what Bush was saying. He is not the sole decider in if war should start or it should end. Congress has that ability. If they want it to end, then all they have to do is stop funding it.
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Post by killer on Feb 1, 2007 20:50:53 GMT -5
Just because they aren't out blowing things up, does not mean they want us there. Many are staying in their homes very scared -- afraid to step outside -- wondering when their doors will be kicked in by troops who hold guns to their heads (perhaps in search of terrorists.)
I think the people are living in fear and just want all of this to END.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 1, 2007 20:56:30 GMT -5
You were basing your conclusion on the people that murder others not the ones that don't. If you now want to argue from the point of those that don't, then present some sort of evidence. As far as I can tell, most of them are living their lives, working and going about the city. If they were all hiding in their homes as you seem to think, then they woudn't be getting blown up in social areas now would they?
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Post by killer on Feb 1, 2007 21:03:41 GMT -5
For evidence, please read the article I suggested in post #1 of this thread.
Also, you might watch the news programs -- I have seen 2 recently where they said the men just wanted to go to work back at the factories (instead of having to join the militia.) Also other programs show where the children are not getting to go to school -- they are at home and AFRAID!! A young girl said they were fearful of our forces coming in to their homes with guns...
Maybe if you'd listen to somebody besides Rush and Lee you would understand.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 1, 2007 21:36:05 GMT -5
Maybe you should re-read your own article. You may come to the correct conclusion that they don't want us out of there but that they want the sectarian murderers out of there.
The problem this article discusses will get worse if we leave and remove the only thing holding back the reasons why they are joing militias.
I do listen to Rush for his commentary and news items that barley see the light of MSM day. Who exactly do you listen to on occasion? You apparently listen to the Attack Machine and they are not far from most viewpoints Rush espouses. Who are these other side of the coin people you listen to? Don't tell me, the network news media and CNN.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 5, 2007 18:27:23 GMT -5
You are assuming that those not blowing up US troops want us there.
They predominately view us as occupiers and want us out.
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Post by lawman on Mar 7, 2007 21:52:28 GMT -5
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 7, 2007 22:12:38 GMT -5
I'd rather they deeply and sincerely feared us.
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Post by blondie on Mar 8, 2007 11:01:21 GMT -5
lawman's a liberal? I didn't think they made those in Alabamy. I'm a social liberal, fiscal conservative and a hawk (odd yes, but I love history). I think the best thing that could have happened to the Iraqis is to have become a little brother to the US. Too bad W screwed up the war. I guess after they turned out not to have WMDs it was all over. I didn't vote for W, but I believe in the system and feel, as Americans, we're responsible for fixing the country we broke. I don't know if shooting at people is the way to do that. It would be great if somebody could come up with an answer. I hate to admit it, but W seems to have the only solution.
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Post by lawman on Mar 8, 2007 11:10:41 GMT -5
NO! You're wrong AGAIN, blondie! Just an independant thinker? They DON'T make many of those in Alabamy.....or America
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Post by blondie on Mar 8, 2007 11:30:16 GMT -5
NO! You're wrong AGAIN, blondie! Just an independant thinker? They DON'T make many of those in Alabamy.....or America You're free to think Cindy Sheehan is yo' hero.
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Post by lawman on Mar 8, 2007 11:33:33 GMT -5
She's 'miles' higher on my food chain than you are
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Post by espy on Mar 8, 2007 11:54:59 GMT -5
Anyone want to see what they think of us over there, check out www.liveleak.com for the latest vids from both sides.
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Post by espy on Mar 8, 2007 12:16:34 GMT -5
They already hate us, along with every other muslim country, they think this is a holy war against muhammad and the muslim faith.
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Post by blondie on Mar 8, 2007 12:35:20 GMT -5
Anyone want to see what they think of us over there, check out www.liveleak.com for the latest vids from both sides. Off subject, but this link reminds me that Google was crazy to buy YouTube for a billion dollars. What were they thinking?
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