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Post by killer on May 23, 2007 13:31:28 GMT -5
New Medicare bill (the one Republicans brag about) is filled with favors for pharmaceutical companies. This bill will cost Americans billions more than expected. After bill passed, those Republicans who worked to ram it through got million dollar jobs with the pharmaceutical companies.
Shame on them! And shame on the republican supporters for allowing such!! And, especially, for continuing to support them with this kind of knowledge!
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 13:48:49 GMT -5
Uhhh...
Not that I was or am in favor of the plan...
But CBO number crunchers say that the plan will cost FAR LESS than it was originally thought- and that even with a greater percentage of those eligible signing up than was originally thought would.
There's plenty to get mad at re: Republicans without inventing more.
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Post by blondie on May 23, 2007 13:56:03 GMT -5
There is no Republican Culture of Corruption. You better take it back!
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Post by killer on May 23, 2007 18:31:46 GMT -5
Uhhh....Uhhhh, yourself!
There will be no negotiations on the Medicare drugs -- Pharmaceutical companies get to name their own price. Outrageous!
It's a very bad deal!!
WOMI, please stop thinking a bill is a good one just because Republicans tell you it is!
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Post by billt on May 23, 2007 19:08:16 GMT -5
i missed this long ago but seriously based on recent posts does w. o. m. i. represent an acronym from weapon of MIS information?
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 19:26:36 GMT -5
i missed this long ago but seriously based on recent posts does w. o. m. i. represent an acronym from weapon of MIS information? Hey, this could be fun. We could all list what we think people's screen names are acronyms for. billt - bought into liberal lies thoroughly LOL!!!! by the way, billt, I haven't really paid much attention to alot of your post so I really have no idea what your positions are so....don't take it personal.
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Post by billt on May 23, 2007 19:33:00 GMT -5
not taking it personal but it is my real name and initial......freedom loving supporter of the USA constitution is my base position.
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Post by zoomixer on May 23, 2007 19:34:03 GMT -5
I know it's your name. Just having some fun
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 19:44:37 GMT -5
billt-
Read the entire post rather than cherrypick it.
Did I not say that "I was and am not a fan" of the legislation?
Just because it is Republican legislation does not automatically make it right.
It certainly has a far better chance of being right than anything the Democrat Party proposes, but it's not a guarantee.
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 19:46:28 GMT -5
W.O.M.I. = Weapon of Mass Instruction. Which is what he is.
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Post by billt on May 23, 2007 19:51:18 GMT -5
spouting repub talking points is NOT "instruction" and disclaimers mean nothing womi, it sounds silly to claim you dont support the bill but then to defned it!
IF it is good and working WHY dont you supoport it?i
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 21:27:59 GMT -5
How does me pointing out that it was less of a travesty than originally was thought to be make me a defender of the bill?
The fact doesn't mean that it is a GOOD bill; merely a LESS BAD bill.
I oppose it because, as a Conservative, I think the free market would provide a better and far cheaper solution than the government does.
I also oppose it because it does not "means test" it's recipients. That's the same problem I have with Social Security. I don't see why my or your taxes should pay for Warren Buffet's medicine.
Well...maybe YOUR taxes....but not mine. ;D
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Post by Twista on May 23, 2007 23:17:17 GMT -5
re: Womi...
"I oppose it because, as a Conservative, I think the free market would provide a better and far cheaper solution than the government does."
I'd think that too, except for when I used to trot down to Mexico to pick up Albuterol for my father, for $13 rather than the $60 he had to pay on this side of the border... (With similar discounts on all the other meds he was taking) And the "pharmacist" girls working the counter sure were a lot easier on the eyes than the old farts up here... LOL
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Post by billt on May 24, 2007 0:22:39 GMT -5
since warren buffett paid the maximum into the system every year of his working life why should he NOT be given the same as anyone else?
womi was that a freudian slip? the socialist side of the neocon movement exposed by accident?
my take on SS is it should be ended, assets should be sold to PAY a one time lump sum to ALL people that paid into the system, and people be told it is YOUR life to live, save for your own future or be left to the merciful kindness of strangers.
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Post by brandon on May 24, 2007 2:00:48 GMT -5
I oppose it because, as a Conservative, I think the free market would provide a better and far cheaper solution than the government does. Holy shit! Did someone hijack WOMI's account? Is he actually supporting freedom? Nah, probably a hijacked account. WOMI likes tyranny as long as it has an (R) behind it.
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Post by kevin on May 24, 2007 6:15:23 GMT -5
I oppose it because, as a Conservative, I think the free market would provide a better and far cheaper solution than the government does. Holy shit! Did someone hijack WOMI's account? Is he actually supporting freedom? Nah, probably a hijacked account. WOMI likes tyranny as long as it has an (R) behind it. Aw c'mon brandon. You're confused. Socialism is not freedom, its bondage. Democrats believe the government should guide and direct our lives. That was very much in line with Republicans.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 24, 2007 15:04:06 GMT -5
re: Womi... "I oppose it because, as a Conservative, I think the free market would provide a better and far cheaper solution than the government does." I'd think that too, except for when I used to trot down to Mexico to pick up Albuterol for my father, for $13 rather than the $60 he had to pay on this side of the border... (With similar discounts on all the other meds he was taking) And the "pharmacist" girls working the counter sure were a lot easier on the eyes than the old farts up here... LOL twista- I'd think there was some chance- no telling how large- that the medication you returned from Mexiso with could have been Albut Irol just as easily as Albut Erol. You can argue that we go overboard in terms of FDA protections but I can't help thinking that no protections might be one of the few things worse than too many protections. Besides....John Edwards and the trail lawyers need the money.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 24, 2007 15:11:05 GMT -5
since warren buffett paid the maximum into the system every year of his working life why should he NOT be given the same as anyone else? womi was that a freudian slip? the socialist side of the neocon movement exposed by accident? Am I am "neocon", a "socialst" or a "communist"? I need to be on the same page with my critics so I know whose talking points to parrot. Frankly, I've never been all that troubled by social security. I think a nation, particularly one as great and prosperous as ours, does have a duty to help out the least among us. The flip side of that is the ever-increasing tax rate which must be paid by the workers to finance the retirees. If the government were to take away $1 of benefits for every $10 (or whatever amount) a retiree either earned or was paid theur a private pension, coupled with a cap that anyone with a post-retirement income of over, say, $100k a year is entitled to no benefits whatsoever, I can't help but think that the "trust fund" (yeah I know it exists only on paper) would be solvent for centuries to come rather than just a few years. Oh...and when's the last time a Democrat proposed cutting or eliminating taxes for anyone? Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to point out yet another reason to vote Republican.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 24, 2007 15:15:03 GMT -5
Other than war, I can't think of a single thing the government is better at doing than the private sector.
However, the idea that the private sector will ever take over all the duties that government currently performs being unrealistic (sorry, Mr. Paul) and, that being the case, government is going to either outright control or regulate to some extent virtually everything, I'd prefer to place my trust in Conservatives because they will have as little effect as possible.
As for Democrats, can you really argue that the private sector is not antithetical to everything they believe in? Entrepreneurship clashes with socialism.
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Post by killer on May 24, 2007 16:54:10 GMT -5
WOMI wrote, "Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to point out yet another reason to vote Republican."
Please stop helping to destroy this country by promoting more of the same. Your grandkids aren't going to like you very much. Oh, maybe you didn't have kids, and therefore, no grandkids. So it's okay to leave a huge debt on the backs of future generations. It's okay that they will not know life as you did as a child. Lucky for you, they will be somebody else's kids.
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Post by billt on May 24, 2007 17:00:23 GMT -5
the reason future generations have to pay present retirement benefits is read this slowly please.....BECAUSE CONGRESS STOLE AND SPENT THE TRUST FUND....had that not happened that trust fund would make SS solvent forever!
had they actually invested the money rqather than spent it the interest alone would pay a huge portion of present benefits!
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Post by billt on May 24, 2007 17:01:17 GMT -5
that THEFT happened no matter which party was in control and continues TODAY, no change when the repubs took over and no change now with the demos back in charge!
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 24, 2007 18:58:58 GMT -5
bill-
First, I think you need to look at CBO and Treasury Deaprtment numbers- receipts to the government are at an ALL TIME HIGH.
Why? TAX CUTS.
You know...getting to keep more of your money to spend rather than giving it to the Feds to spend?
And just who was it that gave you back more of your own money?
Why...that would be the evil George W. Bush and REPUBLICANS in Congress.
You just can't help making my case for me, can you?
Second-
As to SS...who at least tried to extend the life of social security.? Who at least tried to increase the rate of return that the program gives to retireees, WITHOUT raising payroll taxes a single penny?
Hint: first figure out who demagogued and demonized the entire effort and whoever you have left is who at least tried.
While you are unquestionably right to say that, had people invested in the markets, they'd have far more of a next egg at retirement time, it's awfully hard to find the money to invest when Democrats want to raise your taxes- and by "your" I am referring to the producers in society- so they can buy votes from society's "parasites"- the nonworking "poor". The second the majority no longer pay federal taxes, our "great experiement" is OVER.
Might not be a reason to vote Republican, but its a reason to vote CONSERVATIVE.
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Post by killer on May 24, 2007 21:45:01 GMT -5
Remember, if you want conservative, don't vote Republican. They use the word ALOT, but they really support big government and big spending. Conservative and Republican no longer go together.
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Post by billt on May 24, 2007 21:53:38 GMT -5
womi seriously can you read?
this is beyond silly, you rebut things i nev er even remotely posted and claim some sort of vicotry of me making your poiints NONSENSE
what have the repubs done with record income? spend it and MORE yet womi claims they are conservative.
while womi claims they are trying to "save" SS the FACT is they are SPENDING the surplus as fast as it comes in, a starting point for making SS solvent would obviously be to STOP stealing and spending the money as it comes in, in RECORDS amounts i might add BUT DEFICITS continue!
womi you are nothing but a party shill and becoming unworthy of reading.
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Post by lawman on May 27, 2007 18:21:29 GMT -5
Remember, if you want conservative, don't vote Republican. They use the word ALOT, but they really support big government and big spending. Conservative and Republican no longer go together. Decency, Honor, Integrity and Republican no longer go together.
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Post by solomon on May 27, 2007 19:04:05 GMT -5
The meaning of "Culture of Corruption"
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Post by solomon on May 27, 2007 19:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by solomon on May 27, 2007 19:29:08 GMT -5
I thought these pics would supplement the "Culture of Corruption" thread.
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Post by Twista on May 27, 2007 23:51:47 GMT -5
twista- I'd think there was some chance- no telling how large- that the medication you returned from Mexiso with could have been Albut Irol just as easily as Albut Erol. You can argue that we go overboard in terms of FDA protections but I can't help thinking that no protections might be one of the few things worse than too many protections. Besides....John Edwards and the trail lawyers need the money. Never heard of albut Irol, and it seems Google hasn't either, except in the case of some forum misspellings. But the box, sealed bag and sealed preassurized inhaler were a bang up job of counterfitting to do for a $13 dollar sale, especially when I had an original to compare it to. (Unless the USA version was also a counterfit...) Otherwise, I don't know a lot about prescriptions, as I haven't taken a prescription medication in over 20 years... (good things/good people... LOL) And for FDA protections, I am more worried about the fact that the drug industry funds most of the testing of drugs by the FDA, and the possibilities that there could be some inside deals, than I am about there being "too much" protection...
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