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Post by blondie on May 22, 2007 14:29:35 GMT -5
If this is true then it's adios Ron, nice knowing you: Eleven years ago, the Houston Chronicle reported that Ron Paul's newsletter highlighted what he saw as a criminal community :
Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks. "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"Paul wrote.
Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.
Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
Not enough yet? How about Paul's suggestion that the age of adulthood for criminal prosecution be lowered -- for blacks?
He added, "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/010033.php
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Post by killer on May 22, 2007 15:01:01 GMT -5
Are you saying he won't get the black vote? Or that people who would vote for him will not based on statements such as those?
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Post by brandon on May 22, 2007 16:54:58 GMT -5
From Wikipedia:
Alleged racial remarks
During Paul's original Congressional campaign in the 14th District, his opponent Lefty Morris used some of his old newsletters against him. A 1996 article in the Houston Chronicle alleges that Ron Paul made comments in a 1992 edition of his Ron Paul Survival Report (a newsletter that he had published from 1985) which could be construed as racist, including disparaging remarks about fellow congressperson Barbara Jordan, and that this could help his political opponents.
In a 2001 interview with Texas Monthly magazine, Paul acknowledged that the comments were printed in his newsletter under his name, but explained that they did not represent his views and that they were written by a ghostwriter. He further stated that he felt some moral responsibility to stand by the words that had been attributed to him, despite the fact that they did not represent his way of thinking:
"They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them...I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they [campaign aides] said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'"
He further stated:
"I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady... we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything."
Texas Monthly wrote at the time they printed the denial, "What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this." They state that it would have been easier for him to deny the accusations at the time, because the controversy would have destroyed most politicians.
In an April 2007 column on his official House of Representatives website, Paul criticizes racism, calling it "an ugly form of collectivism" that groups an entire race into one, rather than judging people individually. At the same time, he defends the free-speech rights of people to say what they wish, and criticizes "third parties" "presuming to speak collectively for minority groups."
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Post by Twista on May 22, 2007 17:24:13 GMT -5
Hmmm... If Rod Paul HAD made all those statements, he would jump to frontrunner status throughout the south...
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Post by solomon on May 22, 2007 17:24:43 GMT -5
If he said that he would have been crucified a long time ago. It is just anti-Paul propoganda...I would not believe it unless I heard it come straight from his mouth. Neocons will probably try to use that against him though.
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Post by fragerella on May 22, 2007 17:25:19 GMT -5
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 22, 2007 20:38:26 GMT -5
Paul's only failure was in not correcting the record long before he was forced to do so.
There's much about Paul that should raise skepticism....but I don't think this is one of them.
Remember how Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee tried to smear Sam Alito because he once belonged to a 'club' at Princeton that- supposedly- excluded blacks and women? Kennedy even produced an article written in the club's newsletter that deplored the fact that blacks "no longer knew their place".
Well, turns out that the article was written by Ramnesh Pommaru, the editor of the newsletter, who wrote the piece from the perspective of the typical liberal caricature of what and how conservatives think- only Kennedy chose not to include any excerpts from the piece that made that clear.
I tend to agree with solomon on this one....although one could say that Paul's choice of friends and concepts make this a very plausible story.
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Post by dixie56 on May 22, 2007 21:37:26 GMT -5
Ron Paul is not one to make a statement without doing his homework Now all of you can bash me all you want, but you cannot dispute facts. Black on black crime is rampant. Any time a black American tries to say anything about it they are demonized as being against the black community. Why is it that the black community (and why are we even doing this black and white thing) cannot see this? Why is it that people whatever race cannot see that the more you depend on the government the more control they have over you? Those that scream the most about racisim have an agenda and it is not one that helps or furthers the race of that people. It is all about money. If you want to put a color on anything then you better call it green because that is what it is all about! When are people of all races going to realize that we are being played? It goes back thousands of years!
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Post by kevin on May 22, 2007 22:14:41 GMT -5
Ya know, I moved to Alabama from New York when I was 10. I went from a school with 2 black children to a school that was likely 30% black. It was the first time I ever heard anything about racism. You see, I only remembered the 2 black children because I was told they were different when I came to Alabama. When I was in NY, they were just 2 other kids I went to school with.
I hope my children see a day where people stop seeing skin color. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime - Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson will make sure of that -- but maybe they will. It will be just one less reason to hate one another.
I know that I'll be reading the new Condi Rice biography when it comes out (is it out now). That sounds VERY inspirational.
Sorry to hijack the thread. Here is my way to get back on topic: doesn't sound like Ron Paul at all.
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Post by brandon on May 22, 2007 23:41:30 GMT -5
Here is my way to get back on topic: doesn't sound like Ron Paul at all. Good point, Kev. The man is highly eductaed and sounds as such when he writes and speaks. The quotes written in that piece are not his.
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 0:03:25 GMT -5
"He further stated that he felt some moral responsibility to stand by the words that had been attributed to him, despite the fact that they did not represent his way of thinking:
"They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them...I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they [campaign aides] said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it."
So, it comes down to the fact that he would rather have those words be attributed to him versus the "scandal" of admitting that he doesn't actually write some or most of his newsletters at that time. Hmmmm, rather a bizarre option to choose in my opinion.
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Post by brandon on May 23, 2007 1:35:24 GMT -5
So, it comes down to the fact that he would rather have those words be attributed to him versus the "scandal" of admitting that he doesn't actually write some or most of his newsletters at that time. Hmmmm, rather a bizarre option to choose in my opinion. If he used cocaine and dodged the war by joining the Air Guard you'd think he was an okay guy. You're nitpicking because you don't like his libertarian beliefs.
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Post by blondie on May 23, 2007 8:35:52 GMT -5
Ya know, I moved to Alabama from New York when I was 10. I went from a school with 2 black children to a school that was likely 30% black. It was the first time I ever heard anything about racism. You see, I only remembered the 2 black children because I was told they were different when I came to Alabama. When I was in NY, they were just 2 other kids I went to school with. I've heard that schools are more segregated than ever. It was a shock because I went to school in Alabama and their were always a lot of Black kids. (Maybe I was one ) It's still that way today. I've heard it's not like that in other parts of the country.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 13:59:01 GMT -5
blondie-
It is true- schools are more segregated now than ever before across the country. And doing far more poorly than ever- despite massive funding increases and the massive taxation it requires.
Your Federal Government: "Doing Less With More"
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 14:01:43 GMT -5
phineas merely points out that Paul has a tendency to exercise, in this matter as with apprently many, many others, questionable judgement.
It would have been far better for him to admit that he didn't write the pieces attributed to him- JFK did that and won several international literary prizes for a book he didn't write- than it is for him to have to prove a negative- that he isn't a racist- now.
If he makes such a poor choice over so trivial a matter as this, what mistakes might he make when confronted with truly important matters?
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Post by brandon on May 23, 2007 16:12:06 GMT -5
If he makes such a poor choice over so trivial a matter as this, what mistakes might he make when confronted with truly important matters? Such as whether or not to use cocaine, invade Iraq, give amnesty to illegal aliens, or give ICBM technology to China?
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 19:54:47 GMT -5
To once again correct the record:
Cocaine use-If you have proof that Bush used cocaine, trot it out. I'm sure the MSM would run with the story.
Actually, they'd run with the story if it were true or not. National Guard records and Dan Rather, anyone?
Invade Iraq- SOMEONE had to defend the country; Clinton wouldn't.
Missile technology to China- your boy Clinton did that. Google "Loral" and be afraid...be VERY afraid.
Amnesty for illegal- you got me there.
One out of four is pretty good for the Bush Haters. Be proud of yourself.
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Post by billt on May 23, 2007 20:01:27 GMT -5
bush was a rich kid in college in the 60's IF he didnt try coke he is the EXCEPTION to the general rule.
when did iraq attack the USA please?
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 20:17:23 GMT -5
bush was a rich kid in college in the 60's IF he didnt try coke he is the EXCEPTION to the general rule. when did iraq attack the USA please? ...well...'eh, billt, 'eh, ahum...'eh, they actually didn't ....but the 'thought police' picked up on the radar ....the thought was just trying to enter their mind,....and of course ...they 'Welcomed the slaughter, maiming and turmoil of their Country....you understand ---
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Post by phinehas on May 23, 2007 21:18:06 GMT -5
Hindsight being 20/20, it was a good thing that Germany declared war on us....considering that the Isolationists of that era felt that the Third Reich was a "European problem".
Hindsight still being 20/20 in the future, will show that the Isolationists were wrong when it came to Iraq, Iran and the rest of the Middle East as well.
We fought against Nazism then and defeated it and we are fighting against Islamic fascism now and will defeat it.
Granted, there are still skin heads walking around, just as there will still be other neutralized Jihadists....but like the Neo-Nazis, their power will be diminished to the point of irrelevance.
As far as Terrorism as a concept, it will be similar to racism...it won't go away completely but to ignore the vast difference prior to action and after action was taken to remove it is to deny reality of it's purpose.
Of course, the Isolationists can will the battle of ideas and change the course of action for our nation but the resulting problems that will occur from that will be no consolation to those that wanted to stay the course and win the battle.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 21:23:07 GMT -5
bush was a rich kid in college in the 60's IF he didnt try coke he is the EXCEPTION to the general rule. Circumstantial evidence and poor such at best. When did Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy attack the United States please?
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Post by brandon on May 24, 2007 1:02:18 GMT -5
Cocaine use-If you have proof that Bush used cocaine, trot it out. I'm sure the MSM would run with the story. Bush has admitted to using cocaine. Whose country? THEIR country? Where does the U.S. Constitution allow the American government to defend other countries? I suppose you're one of those people that thinks the Constitution is a "piece of paper." Being a libertarian hardly makes me a socialist lover of Clinton. You are much more of a socialist than I ever will be. You are way closer to Clinton and a republican apologist, so give yourself kudos for being a communist Bush/Clinton lover.
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Post by brandon on May 24, 2007 1:04:39 GMT -5
When did Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy attack the United States please? The Germans sank our merchant ships. Iraq did nothing of the sort.
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Post by phinehas on May 24, 2007 1:40:56 GMT -5
Trivia question: Who was Janet Rankin and what are the two noteable things about her.
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Post by lawman on May 24, 2007 1:53:29 GMT -5
Trivia question: Who was Janet Rankin and what are the two noteable things about her. First woman Quarterback for the Green Bay Packers..... had Sex change operation....and won the Mr. America Pageant at the age of 86!
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Post by Twista on May 24, 2007 2:27:31 GMT -5
Trivia question: Who was Janet Rankin and what are the two noteable things about her. First woman Quarterback for the Green Bay Packers..... had Sex change operation....and won the Mr. America Pageant at the age of 86! Heh heh! Only 12:53 in the morning, and Lawman has made me laugh as hard as I probably will all day! (A good delivery, with high marks for content, juvenility, and plenty of periods sprinkled in for effect! A Twister Choice Award winner!!!!) Thanks, Law...
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Post by lawman on May 24, 2007 2:32:49 GMT -5
First woman Quarterback for the Green Bay Packers..... had Sex change operation....and won the Mr. America Pageant at the age of 86! Heh heh! Only 12:53 in the morning, and Lawman has made me laugh as hard as I probably will all day! (A good delivery, with high marks for content, juvenility, and plenty of periods sprinkled in for effect! A Twister Choice Award winner!!!!) Thanks, Law... My pleasure, Ms America! Take it easy...and have a good day! ;D
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Post by killer on May 24, 2007 10:51:33 GMT -5
Hahahah!! Great comeback!
I mean that was a great answer to the trivia question. Quick wit!
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Post by lawman on May 24, 2007 10:58:08 GMT -5
Hahahah!! Great comeback! I mean that was a great answer to the trivia question. Quick wit! I thought everyone knew of the 'famous Janet Rankin'.....
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Post by killer on May 24, 2007 11:15:53 GMT -5
No. No idea. So was your response not a joke?
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