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Post by lawman on May 20, 2007 7:23:11 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070520/ap_on_re_us/pessimistic_usPoll: American satisfaction at new low!
By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers May 20, 2007 6:35 AM WASHINGTON - It's gloomy out there. Men and women, whites and minorities — all are feeling a war-weary pessimism about the country seldom shared by so many people.
Only 25 percent of those surveyed say things in the U.S. are going in the right direction, according to an AP-Ipsos poll this month. That is about the lowest level of satisfaction detected since the survey started in December 2003.
Rarely have longer-running polls found such a rate since the even gloomier days of 1992 ahead of the first President Bush's re-election loss to Democrat Bill Clinton.
The current glumness is widely blamed on public discontent with the war in Iraq and with President Bush. It is striking for how widespread the mood is among different groups of people.
Women and minorities are less content than men and whites, which has been true for years. But all four groups are at or near record lows for the AP-Ipsos poll, and at unusually low levels for older surveys, as well.
Three in 10 men and two in 10 women said this month they think the country is on the right track, down from nearly half of each who felt that way at the end of 2003.
By race, 28 percent of whites and 18 percent of minorities said the same — just over half their rates of optimism from late 2003.
Asked in April why they felt things were veering in the wrong direction, one-third overall volunteered the war and one-fourth blamed poor leadership.
Nine percent faulted the economy, 8 percent a loss of moral values and 5 percent gasoline prices.
"We need to get out of war, get our economy back up, quit spending money outside of America and bring it here," said Democrat Lisa Pollard, 45, an insurance company analyst in Arlington, Texas.
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Post by dixiepixie on May 20, 2007 7:34:51 GMT -5
Funny..No one asked me. I am perfectly content with my life. I know that the Lord has mapped every step, numbered every breath, and that things are going to end up exactly where they are supposed to. More people should remember that and hold a deeper faith in the Lord.
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Post by kevin on May 20, 2007 8:26:36 GMT -5
Leave it to the MSM to no longer report just the facts but add innuendos that drive opinion in a certain direction. Why not just list a date? Nope, had to throw in Bush Sr.'s name as a bit of deja vu. Typical. Makes perfect sense and could have been predicted without a poll. Women by nature are more emotional and look at the tragedy associated with the war. Sorry to be harsh, but minorities as a group will continue to be more negative as long as they carry chips on their shoulders. Welcome to the human race, not black, white, latino...Did you hear the woman who called into MM's show the other day, getting on to Matt because 101.1 did not have a black host? She said it was unfair and she was adamant about it. I wonder if I could get a job on 95.7 Jamz... For a hint on what people are talking about when they say economy: THE ECONOMY: THE GOOD NEWS KEEPS GETTING WORSEA few months old but still very valid. Let me give people a clue: the government is not (and should not) going to be getting you a raise. Ask the company you work for. like I stated before, leave to our great MSM to be behind the attitudes of Americans. If they only reported the facts -- as they were supposed to do at one time -- people could make up their own mind. Instead, they tag on "buts" and "ifs" whenever good things are reported. People love to talk about "buts" and "ifs" because people by nature look at the negatives in life more than the positives. Yeah gas is higher than ever. Hmmm, gas companies keep making record profits but have not increased their profit margin. What does that tell you? That more and more are buying gas! After all, if you make 6% profit on X amount of something, then 6% of 3X will net you more profit. Simple math. To the above, I say I'm glad I'm in the 25%. Seems that America's rapid moral decline is more to blame if you ask me. And that includes the morals of the MSM.
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Post by lawman on May 20, 2007 8:39:05 GMT -5
Can someone give me a couple of their 'davis' pills....to help relieve this 'Republican spin' BS?.........'davis' not the only 'spinner' to cause a major 'headache!'
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Post by kevin on May 20, 2007 8:56:06 GMT -5
Can someone give me a couple of their 'davis' pills....to help relieve this 'Republican spin' BS?.........'davis' not the only 'spinner' to cause a major 'headache!' *sigh* At least I try to explain things. you call it spin, I call it common sense. Do you call what the MSM does not "spin"? Do they just "report just the facts"? No, they don't -- that add "buts" and "ifs" and add little statements about certain people or events to try to equate them with today. Like above -- why was it necessary to bring up Bush Sr. and the re-election loss to Clinton? Sure, that happened but by adding that they put it in the mind of people reading it that "Yeah, its the fault of the Bush family everytime! Time to vote in another 'Bill'! Hillary, Hillary,Hillary!" If that's not spin tell me what it is? Do you only spill out posts of articles and one liners because you type with one finger? I've yet to see you contribute anything enlightening to any conversation but one-liner insults. Use that brain God gave you and contribute, not tear down.
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Post by lawman on May 20, 2007 9:09:01 GMT -5
Can someone give me a couple of their 'davis' pills....to help relieve this 'Republican spin' BS?.........'davis' not the only 'spinner' to cause a major 'headache!' *sigh* At least I try to explain things. you call it spin, I call it common sense. Do you call what the MSM does not "spin"? Do they just "report just the facts"? No, they don't -- that add "buts" and "ifs" and add little statements about certain people or events to try to equate them with today. Like above -- why was it necessary to bring up Bush Sr. and the re-election loss to Clinton? Sure, that happened but by adding that they put it in the mind of people reading it that "Yeah, its the fault of the Bush family everytime! Time to vote in another 'Bill'! Hillary, Hillary,Hillary!" If that's not spin tell me what it is? Do you only spill out posts of articles and one liners because you type with one finger? I've yet to see you contribute anything enlightening to any conversation but one-liner insults. Use that brain God gave you and contribute, not tear down. I don't need to waste energy! It only takes a few words to expose a 'shill'........or ignorance! And that is a vital contribution, and a needful 'check and balance!'Back-off, pal! I don't try to tell you what to say...... but I guess it's a 'natural' for you guys!
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Post by lawman on May 20, 2007 9:24:48 GMT -5
dixie56, can you please just provide links and maybe a few quotes that you want to point out from now on? My mouse wheel is wearing out. Thanks! BTW, You try to tell a terrific poster like dixie56 to limit what she chooses to say, and then with a 'double standard' want to tell me to add more to what I choose to say!?You sound like you grew up in a 'third world' country? Do you realize how hypocritical you seem to be? The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights. It prohibits the federal legislature from making laws that establish religion (the "Establishment Clause") or prohibit free exercise of religion (the "Free Exercise Clause"), laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to assemble peaceably, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Post by kevin on May 20, 2007 13:25:53 GMT -5
You commonly misunderstand any post that comes from anyone who doesn't share your (extremely) limited viewpoint. My request to dixie56 had nothing to do with free speech. All I asked what that she not post the whole body of the article and allow us to follow the link to the article instead. Posting whole articles breaks up the flow of a conversation.
And how is asking that she not post the whole article BUT provide a link to the article a violation of free speech? Either way, I can choose to read or not read and that is my freedom. And it does not "limit what dixie56 wants to say" because the article is not hers to begin with.
I used to think you'd make a good 21st century jester. But jesters are usually funny and good for a laugh. You're smirk material at best. Jerry Springer still needs guests, if you're interested.
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Post by phinehas on May 20, 2007 13:34:05 GMT -5
Bear with me as I pause to take it all in. Tee hee.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 20, 2007 15:45:07 GMT -5
>yawn<
Another day....another meaningless poll.
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Post by lawman on May 20, 2007 16:24:37 GMT -5
>yawn< Another day....another meaningless poll. Nice try, ha! If the poll TRULY...was ''meaningless,'' you and your 'shill' gang wouldn't try to refute it, saying it's >yawn< meaningless!W.O.M.I., some of us were born at night..... but it wasn't 'last night!' ;D
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 20, 2007 18:44:54 GMT -5
law-
I'd ask that you retract your statement.
You, of all people, should know that I reject ALL polling data from ALL sources whether the results support or do not support my viewpoint. I wouldn't accept results from a Fox News poll any more than I would one from MSNBC.
ALL polls are flawed. Any results extrapolated from flawed data must inevitably prove themselves flawed.
The MSM and Alternative Media alike conduct polls and then covers them as being somehow newsworthy because they require no effort in the way of investigation and fact-checking.
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Post by kevin on May 20, 2007 18:55:45 GMT -5
He's probably referring to me. You just got caught up in the crossfire.
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Post by zoomixer on May 20, 2007 20:07:40 GMT -5
...............lawman.................
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Post by lawman on May 20, 2007 20:18:40 GMT -5
law- I'd ask that you retract your statement. You, of all people, should know that I reject ALL polling data from ALL sources whether the results support or do not support my viewpoint. I wouldn't accept results from a Fox News poll any more than I would one from MSNBC. ALL polls are flawed. Any results extrapolated from flawed data must inevitably prove themselves flawed. The MSM and Alternative Media alike conduct polls and then covers them as being somehow newsworthy because they require no effort in the way of investigation and fact-checking. W.O.M.I.- You play down ALL negative, but very obviously accurate opinion polls which are fair-ly CLOSE to the majority of Americans TRUE desires about this 'war', and it's horrible side-effects on our Country, be it here and abroad! On your behalf, I will agree you have been consistent regarding your 'dubious dis-content' in your doubtfulness of ALL polling data.
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Post by dixiepixie on May 21, 2007 0:26:08 GMT -5
I am still waiting to see a poll that actually affects my life. I guess I will have a long wait.
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 21, 2007 15:48:21 GMT -5
law-
Accepted.
And by "horrible effects...abroad" you mean the elections in Germany, France, Australia, Poland and the new PM in England that resulted in pro-AMERICAN candidates occupying their leadership positions?
Instead of wasting time on meaningless and flawed polls, let's deal with the only polls that truly matter: elections.
Socialism and anti-Americanism is on the retreat everywhere......
...except the United States (judging by the Democrat Party candidates).
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Post by billt on May 21, 2007 16:13:48 GMT -5
please define "anti American", womi.....based on YOUR posts it seems any supporter of the constitution is anti? people that believe in liberty are anti?
since this country was founded by the citizens MILITIA why do YOU hold the concept of a militia in such contempt?
when politicians violate their oaths and attack the constitution, YOU seem to think they are patriots and anyone that dares to question their actions is anti American?
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Post by lawman on May 21, 2007 16:34:48 GMT -5
law- Accepted. And by "horrible effects...abroad" you mean the elections in Germany, France, Australia, Poland and the new PM in England that resulted in pro-AMERICAN candidates occupying their leadership positions? Instead of wasting time on meaningless and flawed polls, let's deal with the only polls that truly matter: elections. Socialism and anti-Americanism is on the retreat everywhere...... ...except the United States (judging by the Democrat Party candidates). I'll say this for you, W.Oh!, you write on this forum with the passion and fervor of 'one' who has a loaded gun pointed at his head?! In regards to the ''horrible side-effects ...abroad'' ... you crammed Repub 'talking points' in my mouth >choke..gag< of which I had none of this.... Quote-- ''you mean the elections in Germany, France, Australia, Poland and the new PM in England that resulted in pro-AMERICAN candidates occupying their leadership positions? '' in mind! I DO have 'in mind' the hatred mind-set that this un-called for 'war' has been increased among the Arab world in the Middle-East and world-wide.....toward the U.S. AND Great Briton! Again......the polls are NOT ''meaningless!''
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Post by dixiepixie on May 22, 2007 7:16:36 GMT -5
lawman, we have been "infidels" to the Arab world for HUNDREDS of years. They have been at war, almost since the dawn of time. They are but just a TINY portion of the world population, and YES your little polls you attempt to shove down our throats ARE meaningless. For one who claims to be a Christian, you certainly have no faith in the Lord. Things will go along HIS time frame, and according to HIS plan. Our minister stated a very profound thing Sunday. "Who am I to question the heart and mind of God?"
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Post by Twista on May 22, 2007 22:52:17 GMT -5
re: Dixie... "Our minister stated a very profound thing Sunday. "Who am I to question the heart and mind of God?"
Some would say the same about us questioning the "heart and mind" of Bush... (though finding either would be quite a task... LOL)
But back on topic: I'm pretty darned happy too! At least in my personal life everything is going pretty great... But... I worry about the results of the way our country is going, for my child and for all my nephews and nieces, for they will have to pay for the mistakes of today... That bothers me a lot...
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Post by dixiepixie on May 23, 2007 11:07:04 GMT -5
twista, I have three little ones..Well, not so little, my oldest is 15 today. I have three nephews. I worry, too, but I also have faith. Faith is a pretty calming thing when allpied correctly...LOL
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Post by lawman on May 23, 2007 11:47:34 GMT -5
twista, I have three little ones..Well, not so little, my oldest is 15 today. I have three nephews. I worry, too, but I also have faith. Faith is a pretty calming thing when allpied correctly...LOL Actually it's the PEACE that only God can bring to you!
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 13:51:54 GMT -5
please define "anti American", womi.....based on YOUR posts it seems any supporter of the constitution is anti? people that believe in liberty are anti? since this country was founded by the citizens MILITIA why do YOU hold the concept of a militia in such contempt? when politicians violate their oaths and attack the constitution, YOU seem to think they are patriots and anyone that dares to question their actions is anti American? I define "anti-American" as being gullible enough to believe that somethin America did, didn't do, said, didn't say, thought about, didn't think about, etc. is the reason why the Jihadists attacked us. It's believing that American is somehow at fault for antyhing and everything wrong in the world today- but only if a Republican is President. It's believing that America at its best is no better than Nazi Germany at its worst. That suffice?
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 23, 2007 13:56:13 GMT -5
law-
You mean pointing out that pro-American candidates have been swept into power all over the world is a Republican talking point?
I guess telling the truth and reporting the news accurately is a Republican talking point- in "lawworld".
The unalterable fact is that maybe- just maybe- nations around the world are waking up to the fact that the Jihadists are a threat to them and that maybe- just maybe- Bush was right and prescient to be the first to recognize that (even as they might deplore how he went about confronting the threat).
Hell, Sarkozy is advocating even tougher sanctions be placed on Iran than we're- the US- is calling for. Would Chirac or Royal done that?
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