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Post by Dale Jackson on May 16, 2007 20:18:28 GMT -5
"We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul went on. "I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us." Defend this.
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Post by kevin on May 16, 2007 20:50:16 GMT -5
Ya know, Ron Paul did very well (IMO) in the 1st debate. I didn't catch the 2nd though I'm going to try to find the video of it and watch it. Ron basically did the "open mouth, insert foot here" last night. As crazy as he seems, I like Ron. I actually like many of his ideas about small government but he goes a little far and ends up looking like an isolationist. But I'm a realist as well so I know Ron Paul is the wrong candidate for 2008. Take away the war and maybe... But Ron Paul would be the first gynecologist in office. What an honor...
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Post by kevin on May 16, 2007 21:38:09 GMT -5
More on this, and man, now EVERYBODY will be jumping on the bandwagon to bury him -- both liberals and conservatives -- for this one mistake. Giuliani Up, McCain Up, Romney Down, and Ron Paul Out — Way Out. Some notable lines: “I don’t think it takes a lot of courage to use Ron Paul as a prop,” said Charlie Black, the longtime GOP strategist who is backing Sen. John McCain. “But he [Giuliani] got his 9/11 credential in there, so congratulations.
So in the end, the candidate who made a big move, who came out of nowhere to win new name recognition was…Ron Paul. But it’s probably not the sort of name recognition Republican presidential candidates want. “Wow,” said one adviser to a rival campaign after listening to Paul’s blame-America lecture. “I haven’t heard anything like that this side of Rosie O’Donnell.” Say "bye-bye" Mr. Paul. Maybe you'll get re-elected to the House -- your presidential career is finito.
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Post by lawman on May 16, 2007 23:43:46 GMT -5
It seems everybody's left.........Turn out the lights!
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Post by fragerella on May 17, 2007 9:55:56 GMT -5
But Ron Paul would be the first gynecologist in office. What an honor... Um, ewww. LOL
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Post by blondie on May 17, 2007 10:20:48 GMT -5
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Post by Doberman on May 17, 2007 11:50:10 GMT -5
The Truth hurts doesn't it Dale.......Don't worry, you along with the majority of this nation cannot realize the truth when its right in front of your face.......Ron Paul is the ONLY honest politician on the ticket and he has my vote......There is nothing to defend when you speak the truth......What an awesome concept!!!!!!
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Post by billt on May 17, 2007 12:00:34 GMT -5
ron paul is HONEST, people dont want to hear the truth, they desire to be lied to and enjoy the corruption they support.
freedom requires personal responsibility something people today are scared to death of, being forced to stand on your own 2 feet and be held accountable for your actions!
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Post by bamagatr on May 17, 2007 12:23:50 GMT -5
"We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul went on. "I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us." Defend this. It's true: Why am I not surprised that you would?
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Post by solomon on May 17, 2007 12:51:39 GMT -5
"We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul went on. "I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us." Defend this. Defend the bombing of a country that did not attack us first or even try to attack us first. If a country goes around sticking its nose in everyone else's business it is eventually going to get punched in the nose. I'm voting for Ron Paul. Piss on Fox News and anyone else that offers a neocon or liberal solution to anything. I called in on the Matt Murphy Show yesterday (5-16-07) and pointed out the way that the moderators attacked him harder buy asking him twice if he was running for the wrong party because he was against the war. Guilani, McCain and Romney are pro gun control (by their own voting records and actions) and pro amnesty (you know "comprehensive immigration reform" wink-wink). Guilani and Romney are pro gay. McCain is anti-free speech. These three should have no business being in what should be a conservative republican debate. What is even worse is that they are defended with psychotic religious ferver. These religious NEOCON FANATICS are so bigoted and blind when it comes to the facts. Fox news showed it's NEOCON colors again along with 101.1 60%-70% of America is ready for the wars to be over...NOW. The Republican Congressmen that were sticking their noses up Bush's butt and cheer leading for a war that the American people no longer wanted cost them the elections just like it will cost them another election if they nominate a "stay the course" mindless loser. If the Republican party wants to have a Democratic President all they have to do is get a "stay the course" candidate. Ron Paul is the only hopeful candidate for the Republicans. Ron Paul 2008 Brian Solomon aka Brian from Decatur (when I call 101.1) John 6:68
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Post by solomon on May 17, 2007 12:57:16 GMT -5
Also Ron Paul has been kicking some serious butt in the poles. Guiliani lost Iowa....boo-hoo. Too bad so sad for a gun grabbing, pro baby murder, pro amnesty and pro gay LIBERAL! Oh I forgot he is pro "War on Terror" so that makes it all ok. That guy is a loser and whoever votes for him is a deceived sucker. That means all of his supporters...A -double-L-L. The same goes for McCain and Romney.
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Post by phinehas on May 17, 2007 12:58:09 GMT -5
Ron Paul's presidential bid is over.....you can't tell Americans that 9/11 is their fault. Why? Because it's not true. The reasons why they hate Americans is what makes us Americans....the only way they will not hate us is if we become like them. Who is for that?
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Post by lawman on May 17, 2007 13:08:11 GMT -5
Sorry to say.......but Paul just does not come across as a 'leader type' who can be convincing enough to deal with the 'tough, phony thugs' he'll have to deal with as President.........But I totally AGREE with everything else said below!
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''Defend the bombing of a country that did not attack us first or even try to attack us first. If a country goes around sticking its nose in everyone else's business it is eventually going to get punched in the nose.
I'm voting for Ron Paul. Piss on Fox News and anyone else that offers a neocon or liberal solution to anything.
I called in on the Matt Murphy Show yesterday (5-16-07) and pointed out the way that the moderators attacked him harder buy asking him twice if he was running for the wrong party because he was against the war.
Guilani, McCain and Romney are pro gun control (by their own voting records and actions) and pro amnesty (you know "comprehensive immigration reform" wink-wink).
Guilani and Romney are pro gay.
McCain is anti-free speech.
These three should have no business being in what should be a conservative republican debate. What is even worse is that they are defended with psychotic religious ferver. These religious NEOCON FANATICS are so bigoted and blind when it comes to the facts. Fox news should it NEOCON colors again along with 101.1
60%-70% of America is ready for the wars to be over...NOW.
Republicans sticking their noses up Bush's butt and cheer leading for a war that the American people no longer wanted cost them the elections just like it will cost them another election if they nominate a "stay the course" mindless loser.
If the Republican party wants to have a Democratic President all they have to do is get a "stay the course" candidate. Ron Paul is the only hopeful candidate for the Republicans.''
Ron Paul 2008
Brian Solomon aka Brian from Decatur (when I call 101.1) John 6:68
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Post by solomon on May 17, 2007 13:10:08 GMT -5
Ron Paul's presidential bid is over.....you can't tell Americans that 9/11 is their fault. Why? Because it's not true. The reasons why they hate Americans is what makes us Americans....the only way they will not hate us is if we become like them. Who is for that? Ron Paul did not say it is bcause of individual Americans as a bunch of folks try to spin it. It is because of the foreign Big Nose in everyone else's business policy. When you stick your nose in other people's business long enough it will eventually get punched.
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Post by lawman on May 17, 2007 13:12:14 GMT -5
Also Ron Paul has been kicking some serious butt in the poles. Guiliani lost Iowa....boo-hoo. Too bad so sad for a gun grabbing, pro baby murder, pro amnesty and pro gay LIBERAL! Oh I forgot he is pro "War on Terror" so that makes it all ok. That guy is a loser and whoever votes for him is a deceived sucker. That means all of his supporters...A -double-L-L. The same goes for McCain and Romney. You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!! Hope the 'many' suckers REALIZE before it's too late....
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Post by solomon on May 17, 2007 13:14:14 GMT -5
Sorry to say.......but Paul just does not come across as a 'leader type' who can be convincing enough to deal with the 'tough, phony thugs' he'll have to deal with as President......... But I totally AGREE with everything else said below!I think his leadership qualities have been proven after 5 terms in congress. He has voted alone numerous times. He stands for what is right even if he has to stand alone. I believe he has the best leadership qualities of all of the candidates because if the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch.
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Post by blondie on May 17, 2007 13:34:07 GMT -5
Ron Paul's presidential bid is over.....you can't tell Americans that 9/11 is their fault. Why? Because it's not true. The reasons why they hate Americans is what makes us Americans....the only way they will not hate us is if we become like them. Who is for that? They hate us for our freedom right? Why didn't they bomb Sweden? I know this is impossible for you to do, but try, just try, to imagine the motivations from the point of view of the motivated. Ron Paul has lost the extreme right-wing. They just want to be lied to. Told they are perfect. But they're on the way out. Ron Paul may be the new face of the Republican party, though I would be shocked if he got the nomination. But after their humiliating defeat in 2008 they'll be looking for a new direction.
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Post by lawman on May 17, 2007 13:36:07 GMT -5
Sorry to say.......but Paul just does not come across as a 'leader type' who can be convincing enough to deal with the 'tough, phony thugs' he'll have to deal with as President......... But I totally AGREE with everything else said below!I think his leadership qualities have been proven after 5 terms in congress. He has voted alone numerous times. He stands for what is right even if he has to stand alone. I believe he has the best leadership qualities of all of the candidates because if the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch. Not disagreeing with your statement here...... But Paul just doesn't transmit the 'Dynamic' energy 'one' needs to take authority.........and lead ...........But none of the others do either!
Sad!
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Post by jayliewow on May 17, 2007 14:06:35 GMT -5
Ron Paul's presidential bid is over.....you can't tell Americans that 9/11 is their fault. Why? Because it's not true. The reasons why they hate Americans is what makes us Americans....the only way they will not hate us is if we become like them. Who is for that? Thank you for proving the point that each and every person here defending Ron Paul is making. YOU just like the reast of the MSM talking heads keep saying over and over that Ron Paul is blaming Americans for 9/11. The truth of the matter is that Ron Paul views government and citizens as two distinct groups. The constitution was put into place in the manner in which it was to PROTECT the CITIZENS from the inevitable GROWTH of government. Ron Paul puts SOME of the blame SQUARELY where it belongs, our Government's foreign policy! May I also say Phinehas, I've always considered you to be smarter than that. I've disagreed with you many times on matters of opinion, but have always found your arguments to at least have some merit based on truth. Please don't take this as an attack, but what you are saying is only partially true, so therefore I felt it necessary to point it out to you. Ron Paul has NEVER doubted their "hatred" for us based on our beliefs, nor does he deny it. He is saying that our own policies of bomb, bomb, bomb, sanction, sanction, sanction, is obviously generating far more hatred and further (and significantly more dangerous in my opinion) making bin Laden's recruiting job MUCH easier for him. Put the shoe on the other foot. Leave out religion. If the USA were being treated in the same manner, don't you think we would be attacking with great ferocity those who were doing this to us? How can you be so narrow-minded as to not see the obvious truth to that? The very best example I have seen so far is this: if you start digging up an anthill with your bare hands, you shouldn't be very surprised that the ants come out to bite you.
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Post by blondie on May 17, 2007 14:20:17 GMT -5
If the USA were being treated in the same manner, don't you think we would be attacking with great ferocity those who were doing this to us? How can you be so narrow-minded as to not see the obvious truth to that? That's the million dollar question.
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Post by phinehas on May 17, 2007 15:13:41 GMT -5
mediamatters.org/items/200705160009?f=h_latestRon Paul is lying his ass off. He states that America's actions caused 9/11 in one breath then tries to deny it the next, while not actually denying it. All he is doing is voicing what some of you have parroted on this forum and others for years....that THEY woudn't have done X if WE hadn't of done Y. You people appreciate and empathize with why THEY did X but can't ever do the same for why WE did Y. You don't even realize that you are empathizing with them for the wrong reasons. Did 9/11 happen because of anything you people or Ron Paul has cited? NO. Bin Laden stated why 9/11 happened. He said it was "because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United". That is contrary to what YOU people and Ron Paul think the reasons for 9/11 were. So, explain to me why America should pay for what Israel did and what did we do to the Lebanese and the Palestinians.
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Post by phinehas on May 17, 2007 15:26:01 GMT -5
Ron Paul's presidential bid is over.....you can't tell Americans that 9/11 is their fault. Why? Because it's not true. The reasons why they hate Americans is what makes us Americans....the only way they will not hate us is if we become like them. Who is for that? They hate us for our freedom right? Why didn't they bomb Sweden? I know this is impossible for you to do, but try, just try, to imagine the motivations from the point of view of the motivated. Ron Paul has lost the extreme right-wing. They just want to be lied to. Told they are perfect. But they're on the way out. Ron Paul may be the new face of the Republican party, though I would be shocked if he got the nomination. But after their humiliating defeat in 2008 they'll be looking for a new direction. You know who you sound like blondie? Who said this quote: "Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example." You know who said it...but do you know the reason? Very simple. What the hell was Sweden going to do? Thet WANTED a reaction and they would not have gotten one with mighty Sweden. Terrorists attack for the reaction they will get....that is were the bigger power is at, not the actual attack itself. Use that Mensa brain of yours for a change. Speaking of Sweden and their vast amount of "Freedom".... www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax_tot_tax_as_of_gdp-taxation-total-as-of-gdpDon't think I would trade America's freedom for theirs. LOL. Sweden is #1 in taxation out the wazoo. also Compulsory military service in Switzerland...yep, that's freedom, ...er...no it's not. However, their total military comprises of 53,000 but then again, the last "war" they were in was in 1918...so their conscription doesn't really have that big a threat to it...other than the fact that they are not FREE to choose to join.
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Post by blondie on May 17, 2007 16:37:35 GMT -5
You don't even realize that you are empathizing with them for the wrong reasons. Did 9/11 happen because of anything you people or Ron Paul has cited? NO. Bin Laden stated why 9/11 happened. He said it was "because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United". That is contrary to what YOU people and Ron Paul think the reasons for 9/11 were. So, explain to me why America should pay for what Israel did and what did we do to the Lebanese and the Palestinians. Should we call this a half truth or a white lie? DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES (EXPEL THE INFIDELS FROM THE ARAB PENINSULA) A MESSAGE FROM USAMA BIN MUHAMMAD BIN LADEN UNTO HIS MUSLIM BRETHREN ALL OVER THE WORLD GENERALLY AND IN THE ARAB PENINSULA SPECIFICALLY www.outpost-of-freedom.com/opf980830a.htm
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Post by blondie on May 17, 2007 16:42:13 GMT -5
They hate us for our freedom right? Why didn't they bomb Sweden? I know this is impossible for you to do, but try, just try, to imagine the motivations from the point of view of the motivated. Ron Paul has lost the extreme right-wing. They just want to be lied to. Told they are perfect. But they're on the way out. Ron Paul may be the new face of the Republican party, though I would be shocked if he got the nomination. But after their humiliating defeat in 2008 they'll be looking for a new direction. You know who you sound like blondie? Who said this quote: "Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example." You know who said it...but do you know the reason? Very simple. What the hell was Sweden going to do? Thet WANTED a reaction and they would not have gotten one with mighty Sweden. Terrorists attack for the reaction they will get....that is were the bigger power is at, not the actual attack itself. Use that Mensa brain of yours for a change. Speaking of Sweden and their vast amount of "Freedom".... www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax_tot_tax_as_of_gdp-taxation-total-as-of-gdpDon't think I would trade America's freedom for theirs. LOL. Sweden is #1 in taxation out the wazoo. also Compulsory military service in Switzerland...yep, that's freedom, ...er...no it's not. However, their total military comprises of 53,000 but then again, the last "war" they were in was in 1918...so their conscription doesn't really have that big a threat to it...other than the fact that they are not FREE to choose to join. Um, the Sweden comment was only to point out the absurdity of the right-wing talking point. Everyone on the planet knows why weird beard attacked America except the neo-cons. That's why we're in the mess we're in and why we'll be attacked again.
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Post by phinehas on May 17, 2007 16:43:20 GMT -5
Maybe you should retract calling me a liar. In his words...he states explicitly why he did 9/11. www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/Just in case you miss it.... "And I will talk to you about the reason for those events, and I will be honest with you about the moments the decision was made so that you can ponder. And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers.
But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet.
During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe. But they produced a feeling to refuse and reject injustice, and I had determination to punish the transgressors.
And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children." - bin laden
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Post by phinehas on May 17, 2007 16:44:57 GMT -5
"Um, the Sweden comment was only to point out the absurdity of the right-wing talking point.
Everyone on the planet knows why weird beard attacked America except the neo-cons. That's why we're in the mess we're in and why we'll be attacked again."
I don't go to evilbible.com for talking points...others do that. Apparently YOU don't know why he attacked America because you questioned my above post. LOL...does that make you a neo-con then?
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Post by phinehas on May 17, 2007 16:57:56 GMT -5
blondie? Where did you go? I will await your apology to me and look forward to the acknowledgment that you are wrong.
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Post by Dale Jackson on May 17, 2007 17:42:33 GMT -5
Also Ron Paul has been kicking some serious butt in the poles. Guiliani lost Iowa....boo-hoo. Too bad so sad for a gun grabbing, pro baby murder, pro amnesty and pro gay LIBERAL! Oh I forgot he is pro "War on Terror" so that makes it all ok. That guy is a loser and whoever votes for him is a deceived sucker. That means all of his supporters...A -double-L-L. The same goes for McCain and Romney. Let us not get crazy about online polls.
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Post by kevin on May 17, 2007 19:07:15 GMT -5
Here's a better one Dale, not just one that talks about Ron Paul specifically. Why Online Polls Are BunkOn another note, 60 million people voted last night for American Idol contestants. If those people were forced to go to a polling place, how many would do so? Probably more like 6000 (if that many). Nobody REALLY cares who wins AI after all. Its easy to be hooked on a TV show when all you have to do is turn on the TV. Tivo just makes it that much easier! So how many of these so called Ron Paul supporters will actually get off their lazy bums and go to a polling place to cast a vote for this man? It is so easy to click a button on a web page, call a number on the phone, or send a text message. Almost as easy as me writing this note on a forum versus waiting on hold to voice my opinion on the radio (I don't because I couldn't stand being on hold that long!). So it could very well be that Ron Paul is popular amongst those who are his kin -- isolationists. There are alot of those folks surfing the Web. I'm not saying this is valid, but can you convince me otherwise?
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Post by blondie on May 17, 2007 21:09:22 GMT -5
Maybe you should retract calling me a liar. NO. Bin Laden stated why 9/11 happened. He said it was "because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United". That is contrary to what YOU people and Ron Paul think the reasons for 9/11 were.
So, explain to me why America should pay for what Israel did and what did we do to the Lebanese and the Palestinians. The bold part is a lie. Looks like you tried to leave out the word "States" in your quote. Ron Paul believes the Bin Ladens of the world are mad because of US Mideast policy. You might want to brush up on US/Israel relations.
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