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Post by Dale Jackson on May 6, 2007 15:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by kevin on May 6, 2007 15:52:26 GMT -5
Read the rest of it, not much longer than your quote. If this is real (almost looks like a satirical piece!), it is indeed sad but it DOES show the mindset of a politician.
Yeah, he took the position that would get him the votes he wanted. He would have known if it WAS his position, and not one taken for other reasons.
Sad, really...
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 6, 2007 18:13:18 GMT -5
I really hate "gotcha journalism".
And yes I'd say that even if the target was a Democrat (though there's no chance of that at all...the only news outlet that might ask them a tough question is Fox and they're too scared to go on that one).
The problem is that, like negative campaign ads, they're disproportionately effective, so we're stuck with them.
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Post by Dale Jackson on May 6, 2007 18:29:12 GMT -5
Tough question? Gotcha journalism? Tough question? Please they stumbled across a ridiculously out of touch human being, this was not a trap.
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Post by freeyourmind on May 6, 2007 19:54:37 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. A) Conservatives don't like abortion. B) Sex causes pregnancy. C) Abortion stems from unwanted pregnancy, which (as we all know) is a product of sex. D) Conservatives don't want government to give out condoms, birth control, etc. E) Condoms and birth control would help to stop unwanted pregnancy. F) As unwanted pregnancy goes down, the abortion rate goes down. Now, I'm no Spock here, but isn't a little thing called logic missing here? I understand most conservatives don't want government to teach their kids about sex and that I also understand and agree that the best way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is not having sex. I also live in the real world. Doctors say that it doesn't work. Study after study says that Abstinence only programs have little to no affect on the number of sexually active teenagers.Let me use myself as an example. When I was 15, I had sex for the first time. Fortunately for me, my teachers were smart enough to tell us that, though I was too young to have sex (something I totally agree with now) and that the only way to be safe against pregnancy and STD's was to wait (which I already knew from my parents), the use of contraceptives, such as condoms and birth control, would greatly reduce my chances of getting the girl pregnant or catching an STD. I used a condom, didn't become someone's baby daddy, and now am married and not currently living on any government assistance. Now, granted, that is just one example, but as I said, countless studies show that more people are like me. But, hey, you know what? Let's stay the course, right Dubya!!
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Post by W.O.M.I on May 6, 2007 22:05:45 GMT -5
Dale-
Yes, it's "gotcha journalism".
Just like the reporter who asked Bush to name the leaders of three relatively inconsequential countries during Bush's run for President or when a reporter asked Rudy Guiliani what the price of a gallon of milk is.
McCain espoused the conservative position on the issue by his agreement with Bush's position (correct, in this instance).
The reporter then went on to at least partially mischaracterize what the Bush Administration position is in order to try to trap McCain- "gotcha journalism".
Would it be fair for me to say that anyone agreeing with the Liberal sex education position that condoms should be freely distributed is doing so in order to advance the gay agenda?
One does not necessarily follow the other, at least not in this case.
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Post by kevin on May 6, 2007 22:53:47 GMT -5
Dale- Yes, it's "gotcha journalism". Just like the reporter who asked Bush to name the leaders of three relatively inconsequential countries during Bush's run for President or when a reporter asked Rudy Guiliani what the price of a gallon of milk is. McCain espoused the conservative position on the issue by his agreement with Bush's position (correct, in this instance). The reporter then went on to at least partially mischaracterize what the Bush Administration position is in order to try to trap McCain- "gotcha journalism". Would it be fair for me to say that anyone agreeing with the Liberal sex education position that condoms should be freely distributed is doing so in order to advance the gay agenda? One does not necessarily follow the other, at least not in this case. I dunno.... I can see your point in some cases but if this was represented in the actual manner that it happened, then there is not much excuse for some of his answers. He's got to be quicker on his feet if he hopes to go against Billary. She's made a career out of twisting her words and quick thinking. Not that quick decisions are good for matters concerning our country, but they do seem to impress the majority of Americans. One thing I missed before -- and its a vital point IMO -- is the constant use of the word "contraception" and the attempt of the reporter to somehow tie this to HIV prevention. Was this purposeful to catch McCain by use of the wrong word, or is the reporter ignorant in this instance? Contraception - Intentional prevention of conception or impregnation through the use of various devices, agents, drugs, sexual practices, or surgical procedures. The point I'm making is that "contraception" covers the pill, IUD's, condoms, etc. Of these, only condoms aid in the prevention of STDs. So the reporter should have used the word "condoms" or "prophylactics". Acting to defend against or prevent something, especially disease; protective. n. 1. A prophylactic agent, device, or measure, such as a vaccine or drug. 2. A contraceptive device, especially a condom. If you look at that little detail, there may have been some "gotcha" involved, but a poor one. Still, McCain should have done a little better. Comparing his questions ot the price of milk question or the other about leaders of obscure countries is not really valid. People at that level don't buy their own milk and why should someone know the names of all the leaders of the world? But they should know more about the subject of sex education than McCain displayed.
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Post by Dale Jackson on May 6, 2007 23:06:59 GMT -5
I consider myself a conservative, but I can not blindly follow this guy because he is a conservative. This is not AU vs UA, this is not a game. The fact that one of the 20 or so guys running for President in the 2007, has no clue what condoms do it ridiculous.
I jokingly used the Bush (41) analogy because, people reference that to say he is out of touch. I do not believe that was the case.
McCain however needs to have a clue what condoms do, with the money we spend on sex Ed. and AIDS prevention he needs to know.
WOMI, he agreed with Bush's position not having a clue what it was. Then asked for some guys study he obviously hasn't read. This scares me.
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