cw
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 10:06:51 GMT -5
Post by cw on Apr 10, 2007 10:06:51 GMT -5
I'm just tired of the white race always getting the brunt of all these petty arguments about what comes out of our mouth. And rich, the last statement you made is the whole argument, they are allowed to say what they want when they want, but you take a white person and have him recite the lyrics of any of these songs and they will be persecuted. Are you really tired of it? Why? I don't mean to be combative, here. I'm no troll. My argument isn't even specifically directed at you. I'm just wondering why people feel so put upon that Imus is being punished for making a racist remark. I'm a white dude, and I'm wondering where all of the White Anger™ is coming from. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. Unless you spout racial invectives on the radio, it shouldn't affect you, either. The white race has not been and is not being especially put upon by our society. The Man is not keeping us down. I'm no apologist for the left here. True, my beliefs fall slightly to the left of moderate, unlike many here. And, yes, I believe in political correctness to a degree (actually being culturally sensitive, not being culturally over-sensitive and everyone suing everyone else over Easter bunnies in schools and what-not). I'm just saying what's so unfair about the whole thing? If you wanted to read rap lyrics, you can. So can anyone else. Context is a big part of it. But should a radio station allow you to get on the airwaves and read them, prefaced by a statement like "listen to what those crazy, nappy-headed n-word hos are listening to these days" without repercussions? I don't think so. Imus' comments are a reflection on his station and his employers. They have every right to punish him. Political correctness is designed for morons who cannot think for themselves. As much as I disagree with most of what you say on the radio, I would never class you as ignorant in anyway. That being said, I actually agree with what you are saying about Imus. His employer has a business to run and they certainly have every right to fire him if that's what they decide. Now, if you'll excuse me I have an overwhelming urge to wash my hands, as I bet you feel like you need to use and eyedrop from reading that we agree on something!...LOL
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 10:09:03 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 10:09:03 GMT -5
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 10:29:48 GMT -5
Post by espy on Apr 10, 2007 10:29:48 GMT -5
Are you really tired of it? Why? I don't mean to be combative, here. I'm no troll. My argument isn't even specifically directed at you. I'm just wondering why people feel so put upon that Imus is being punished for making a racist remark. I'm a white dude, and I'm wondering where all of the White Anger™ is coming from. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. Unless you spout racial invectives on the radio, it shouldn't affect you, either. The white race has not been and is not being especially put upon by our society. The Man is not keeping us down. I'm no apologist for the left here. True, my beliefs fall slightly to the left of moderate, unlike many here. And, yes, I believe in political correctness to a degree (actually being culturally sensitive, not being culturally over-sensitive and everyone suing everyone else over Easter bunnies in schools and what-not). I'm just saying what's so unfair about the whole thing? If you wanted to read rap lyrics, you can. So can anyone else. Context is a big part of it. But should a radio station allow you to get on the airwaves and read them, prefaced by a statement like "listen to what those crazy, nappy-headed n-word hos are listening to these days" without repercussions? I don't think so. Imus' comments are a reflection on his station and his employers. They have every right to punish him. Political correctness is designed for morons who cannot think for themselves. As much as I disagree with most of what you say on the radio, I would never class you as ignorant in anyway. That being said, I actually agree with what you are saying about Imus. His employer has a business to run and they certainly have every right to fire him if that's what they decide. Now, if you'll excuse me I have an overwhelming urge to wash my hands, as I bet you feel like you need to use and eyedrop from reading that we agree on something!...LOL Now what an employer does to someone is completely up to them, it is there reputation they are looking out for. I'm not defending Imus, I'm just making the point that if this continues that it will be a stepping stone to people in the real world getting sued for what they say.
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rich
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 10:55:57 GMT -5
Post by rich on Apr 10, 2007 10:55:57 GMT -5
Now, if you'll excuse me I have an overwhelming urge to wash my hands, as I bet you feel like you need to use and eyedrop from reading that we agree on something!...LOL Huh? Have we historically disagreed in the past? I'm wondering if you've mistaken me for the other "rich." No matter. If people can get Chris and Dale confused, it's totally understandable with two guys with the same or similar names. I would agree with you in a sense about political correctness ... inasmuch as I have any idea what that term actually means. I don't think it should be government policy ... especially not as it's become something of a swear word in the last 10 years, what with our litigiousness as a society. Basically, I mean that I agree we should strive to be polite, civil and fair in dealing with people of other races, religions and cultures. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think we should avoid offending other people if we can and avoid using language and behavior that we know will be blatantly offensive to others. I think that if everyone tried really hard to put themselves in the shoes of another and followed the golden rule, we'd have a better world. Simple-minded, perhaps. I don't care. I'm going to be nice to people (and peoples) anyway unless they, as an individual, give me reason not to. That's what I mean by political correctness. I'm not advocating infrigements on free speech or whatever. Just saying, that if you say asshole things, expect to be treated like the asshole you are. That said, as a reluctant cynic, I would respond to your statement that "political correctness is designed for morons who can't think for themselves" by saying that I feel the vast majority of society to be morons who can't think for themselves. ;D I'm only halfway kidding. But, as diverse as our society is, it's still segregated to a large degree ... not officially ... but black people, latinos and white people all tend to hang with people like themselves. Some overlap, but pretty much closed groups unto themselves. I don't think having an unofficial policy like "political correctness" to make people think about things that might be considered offensive to people of other backgrounds, ethnicities and such is a bad thing. That said, I feel many people of different faiths and backgrounds need to lighten up and not be so overly sensitive, but I don't say that as a "you" or a "they" statement. I think everyone needs to relax and laugh more. It would be great if Imus saying something stupid would only spark cries of "Ah, he's just an asshole ... who cares?" from everyone, black or white. But, the simple fact is, remarks like his tend to polarize ... they bring out the Black Anger™ and the White Anger™ in response.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 11:00:06 GMT -5
Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 10, 2007 11:00:06 GMT -5
So noone is keeping whitey down eh? Well its a fact in this present day and age the white male is the most discriminated person out there. I say n-word..im labelled racist I get mad and shoot a black person its a hate crime and its all over the news. Black man shoots a white man and you hear nothing and no extra punishment as for it being a hate crime. and I could sit here all day and give you examples of how white males in todays society are the ones being discriminated against but it will not matter. Because we are white. you ever wonder why you heard about the Duke rape case every single minute of the day for months even though many in power believed the admitted prostitute and stripper was lying but heard nothing of this at all? Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom were on a date when they were carjacked and kidnapped. The blacks raped Christopher Newsom, cut off his penis, then set him on fire and fatally shot him several times while they forced his girlfriend, Channon Christian, to watch. An even more cruel fate awaited her! Channon Christian, was beaten and gang-raped in many ways for four days by all of them, while they took turns urinating on her. Then they cut off her breast and put chemicals in her mouth … and then murdered her. Days later, Christian's body was found in five garbage bags inside a Chipman Street house. Each one faces 46 charges. 16 counts of Felony Murder growing out of rape, robbery kidnapping and theft of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, 2 counts premeditated murder of Christian and Newsom, 2 counts especially aggravated robberies from Christian and Newsom, 4 counts especially aggravated kidnapping of Christian and Newsom, 20 counts aggravated rape of Christian and Newsom, and 2 counts of theft from Christian and Newsom. Does anyone else remember the uproar when a known stripper and prostitute accused some college guys from Duke of raping her? Its all you heard day in and day out. Even though many of the law enforcement felt there was reason, ample reason to believe it was all lies. But the prosecuter proceeded anyway. Well here is why you havnt heard anything about this case the rapist/murderers the victims
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 12:07:57 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 12:07:57 GMT -5
I'm just tired of the white race always getting the brunt of all these petty arguments about what comes out of our mouth. And rich, the last statement you made is the whole argument, they are allowed to say what they want when they want, but you take a white person and have him recite the lyrics of any of these songs and they will be persecuted. I am white and do not feel put upon at all by this nonscence. I see Imus as someone different then me. I do not by into this pack mentality, I am not gonna stick by someone who is wrong because I look like him, this is what you all are advocating. When I see ehinic minorities do this it pissed me off, so I sure as hell am not gonna do it myself. The whole Jackson/Sharpton/race warlords angle to this is lost on me. I will not defend Imus and pretend it's about the white race because Sharpton is the main name pushing against him, afterall it is Imus' fault Sharpton is getting any play here. In this instance Sharpton is half right, Imus deserves to be punished. Two weeks works fine for me. I say n-word..im labelled racist No, if you say n-word you label yourself a racist. You seem to be hung up on the fact you can not say it, sorry you can't. Now we all know the rules of the real world, move on. This takes us back to pack/gang mentality the crime is a crime and the race matter not to me, white or black it is a horrible story.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 12:30:01 GMT -5
Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 10, 2007 12:30:01 GMT -5
Im not hung up on not being able to say it. I say what I want when I want and I dont give a damned if someone thinks its pc or not. Im alluding to how every time a non black says the very things blacks say all of a sudden it becomes a racial slur or act of racism. Then we have thos big gigantic hoopla over it.
Then people get all pissy when the american indians want the sport names to change etc. I agree with Chris Rock if you had a team called the New York n-words all hell would break loose.
Why are they as one entity afforded more protections against these type things?
If a word is forced into popular culture as a term of endearment by a group reflecting on themselves then why should they get pissy if someone besides themselves want to use it? if you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising, music, movies etc that push others outside your race to accept these terms then you cant get all bitchy when they use the very pop culture you have collectively forced down their throats.
Im forty years old. As I grew up I never used the n-word word or anything similar. Not many I know of did. Very very rarely did I hear it because it was understood this was a word akin to the f-word etc and not to be sused lightly. So here comes along the eighties and nineties and this music and movie entertainmanet industry sought to make this a normal part of everyones every day life. All of a sudden the words were everywhere and pretty much made to seem no more undesireable to say that the word shit or dam or bitch. So it becomes a stable of pop culture. But they want it both ways.
They want white,latinos etc to want to mimic their culture and spend their money but not use the words they themselves used to glorify same.
The word n-word and referring to their women was hos etc was something that the older black generation that are now 50-plus frowned heavily on within their own race. Now its just tossed out there for monetary and shock value and to hold non blacks feet to the flame for a settlement and special treatment.
As far as your comment to the pack/gang mentality..well would you care to tell me what would be happening right now had it been an equal number of white people doing the same to a black couple?
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syme
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 12:30:09 GMT -5
Post by syme on Apr 10, 2007 12:30:09 GMT -5
alabamamtnman:
I can't dispute what you have stated. I don't recall hearing anything about the case you mentioned.
I took your reference to the word n-word, to mean in the context of using it in the same manner a black person would...in other words, they can use the word in the context of comedy, music or as an "affectionate" term but a white person, that would do the exact same thing would be called a rascist.
The points about Sharpton and JAckson are all correct.
I would point out that given the history of the people of America, the reverse discrimination that white people, especially white men are now experiencing, is still, though wrong, a preferable circumstance versus what other groups in America have dealt with.
Would you switch places with a black person? I know I woudn't.
This is not going to go away until this last generation dies off.
When that generation dies off, the excuses will be weaker...I mean really...can people continue to use events in history as the crux for all their problems?
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rich
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 13:07:24 GMT -5
Post by rich on Apr 10, 2007 13:07:24 GMT -5
So noone is keeping whitey down eh? Well its a fact in this present day and age the white male is the most discriminated person out there. I say n-word..im labelled racist I get mad and shoot a black person its a hate crime and its all over the news. Black man shoots a white man and you hear nothing and no extra punishment as for it being a hate crime. and I could sit here all day and give you examples of how white males in todays society are the ones being discriminated against but it will not matter. Because we are white. "The white male is the most descriminated [sic] person out there?" Dude ... tell me you don't really believe that. Seriously. How? I've never been turned down for a job because I'm a white male. I've never had to deal with any sort of discrimination whatsoever. How have you personally been discriminated against on the basis of gender and race? As far as a white person shooting a black person and it being labelled a hate crime, I don't understand. The circumstances surrounding the crime would be the deciding factor, not race alone. If, say, the white guy was covered with skinhead tattoos and screamed "die, n-word, die" in front of ten witnesses and then threw an Aunt Jemina doll on top of the corpse, you might have a case. Now, if it's a black dude killing a white guy and screaming "die, cracker, die" ... then it's not a hate crime, because the witnesses would all be laughing because no one finds cracker offensive in the least. ;D I understand the argument that "n-word" and "nappy-headed hos" are all terms used with impunity in the black community. Big deal. I personally have no problem with that. Like I said before, it's an attempt to reclaim the word, take it back, and remove some of the hate from it. And as for "nappy headed hos," well, the only thing I can say is that it's fine for me to say I'm a dumbass or a friend to say I'm a motherfucker or any group to say "we're a bunch of [insert insult here]," but when someone from the outside does it, it usually leads to a brawl of some sort. Unfortunately, these terms - especially "n-word" - still have the potential to be incendiary coming from the lips of white people. Sorry. That's probably because during the original phase of usage, black people were considered property, treated as subhuman and could be sold, raped and even killed LEGALLY. Takes some time to get over stuff like that, especially since it's just been about 30 years or so since the civil rights movement was in full swing ... blacks were still widely considered subhuman during the lifetimes of some of the people on this board. As human history goes, it was just yesterday. So pardon "them" if they don't get the joke, you know?
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 14:07:15 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 14:07:15 GMT -5
would you care to tell me what would be happening right now had it been an equal number of white people doing the same to a black couple? Race pimps would be spinning the hell out of it to imply it was a societal flaw instead of one incident, kind of like you are.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 19:51:27 GMT -5
Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 10, 2007 19:51:27 GMT -5
If Imus had said, "Wow! Look at those female players of the Rutgers team with the unkempt hair and body art who seem to display loose moral predispositions", we'd have never heard a peep from anyone. Most likely because no one in Imus listening demographic would have understood what he said....
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 20:46:13 GMT -5
Post by mercury24 on Apr 10, 2007 20:46:13 GMT -5
Rich whether or not you have experienced discrimination as a white guy does not mean that it does not occur. All you have to do is look at public sector workers and you will see it in what they call affirmitive action. THe good ole boy network has been replaced by another network. Both networks are wrong. Discrimination is wrong. So why do we discriminate with the use of certain words and phrases. If its good for the goose then it is most certainly good for the gander. Should Imus have said it? No Does he have the right to say it? yes. Does his company have the right to do something to him? yes. Should they? no WHy? because of the dreaded double standard. Political correctness is out of control and that is what this is about. Who decided to make a word police. Shame on you Dale. You said you wouldnt want to live in a society like that of "Demolition Man". Well this is the start....cha ching here is your ticket for saying the wrong word now go sit in the corner and wash your mouth out......
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 20:49:43 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 20:49:43 GMT -5
No wrong, Demolition Man is about government, this is about private business. You are fined one credit for not understanding that.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 20:56:33 GMT -5
Post by lawman on Apr 10, 2007 20:56:33 GMT -5
YOU ARE RIGHT! Political correctness is designed to 'Suppress' and limit all the Freedom God and our original Constitution has given us!
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 5:11:03 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 5:11:03 GMT -5
Rutgers womens' basketball team ====>>>> media hoes......
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rich
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 8:27:15 GMT -5
Post by rich on Apr 11, 2007 8:27:15 GMT -5
Rich whether or not you have experienced discrimination as a white guy does not mean that it does not occur. All you have to do is look at public sector workers and you will see it in what they call affirmitive action. THe good ole boy network has been replaced by another network. Both networks are wrong. Discrimination is wrong. So why do we discriminate with the use of certain words and phrases. If its good for the goose then it is most certainly good for the gander. Should Imus have said it? No Does he have the right to say it? yes. Does his company have the right to do something to him? yes. Should they? no WHy? because of the dreaded double standard. Political correctness is out of control and that is what this is about. Who decided to make a word police. Shame on you Dale. You said you wouldnt want to live in a society like that of "Demolition Man". Well this is the start....cha ching here is your ticket for saying the wrong word now go sit in the corner and wash your mouth out...... I'm not going to argue affirmative action, dude. I'm sure each and every one of us could quote both sides of that issue argument by heart already. I would ask, though, how often it has kept anyone on this board from getting a job. I know just because I have not seen something with my own eyes that that does not mean it doesn't exist. It's a big old world, and I'm sure somewhere as we speak there is a white male being kept down by The Man. It's possible, I guess. It's still a ridiculous argument to me, though. Because I do not believe reverse discrimination is as much of a problem as it is the idea of a problem. If any of you have suffered from it firsthand, tell me. I want to know. It still doesn't even begin to touch the level of discrimination black people have gone through or do go through in our society on a daily basis, though. To even equate the two is just wrong to me. I have more to say on the topic, but I have to go meet a Bellsouth rep. Stupid work.
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 9:28:13 GMT -5
Post by killer on Apr 11, 2007 9:28:13 GMT -5
Phrase used by Imus was created by blacks and used in that culture as everyday language. So why aren't the ones who invented the words/phrases targeted? Why no uproar before now?
Why haven't all those who now say they are "scarred" by this organized some sort of boycott/protest of certain music labels? Why have they sat quietly allowing such language (and much, much worse) until now?
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 9:30:23 GMT -5
Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 11, 2007 9:30:23 GMT -5
rich you want an example? ill show you several underone roof.
i see your in cullman
take a short drive to jasper. go in the auto zone there. look at management. there is a black lady running the joint that couldnt tell you whether your holding a spark plug or a water pump in your hand.
now look at the other employees. there is nine white men in there. i know for a fact the one with the least experience is far more qualified than she is. but they passed over all these white males with ASE certification and handed the management title to the black lady. what would you call that? I know of three of them threatened a lawsuit over it. One has been there 9 years. The company rather than promote a qualified individual gave it to her and then offered the ones threatening a lawsuit a pay raise substantial enough to appease them. But they still have to carry her dead weight around in doing the job for her she cant do.
the district manager is a good friend of mine and i asked him why they hired her and why did they give her a position she couldnt do and his response was "corporate was on my ass because there were no blacks in the store and none in management. But i couldnt hire anyone who wasnt applying in the first place. So shen she came along I was told to take care of it so someone couldnt say the company was discriminating" and this out of the mouth of a man who has been the district manager for them for 19 years.
Now the same district manager has a few stores around Birmingham with ZERO white employees. Do you think the company is sweating him to promote and hire whites there. NOPE
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 9:52:44 GMT -5
Post by lawman on Apr 11, 2007 9:52:44 GMT -5
I heard the biggest radio guy in Birmingham say, ''If they (Sharpton's gang) get Imus off the 'Air' because of this, We're ALL done!'
Well, they got him.....NBC is dis-associating from him....and major sponsered have ceased sponsering him!
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 9:54:56 GMT -5
Post by killer on Apr 11, 2007 9:54:56 GMT -5
Heard a radio host yesterday say that the players (Rutgers) speaking out on subject sounded like they had been in some terrorist camp and tortured....
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cw
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 9:55:49 GMT -5
Post by cw on Apr 11, 2007 9:55:49 GMT -5
Now, if you'll excuse me I have an overwhelming urge to wash my hands, as I bet you feel like you need to use and eyedrop from reading that we agree on something!...LOL Huh? Have we historically disagreed in the past? I'm wondering if you've mistaken me for the other "rich." No matter. If people can get Chris and Dale confused, it's totally understandable with two guys with the same or similar names. I would agree with you in a sense about political correctness ... inasmuch as I have any idea what that term actually means. I don't think it should be government policy ... especially not as it's become something of a swear word in the last 10 years, what with our litigiousness as a society. Basically, I mean that I agree we should strive to be polite, civil and fair in dealing with people of other races, religions and cultures. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think we should avoid offending other people if we can and avoid using language and behavior that we know will be blatantly offensive to others. I think that if everyone tried really hard to put themselves in the shoes of another and followed the golden rule, we'd have a better world. Simple-minded, perhaps. I don't care. I'm going to be nice to people (and peoples) anyway unless they, as an individual, give me reason not to. That's what I mean by political correctness. I'm not advocating infrigements on free speech or whatever. Just saying, that if you say asshole things, expect to be treated like the asshole you are. That said, as a reluctant cynic, I would respond to your statement that "political correctness is designed for morons who can't think for themselves" by saying that I feel the vast majority of society to be morons who can't think for themselves. ;D I'm only halfway kidding. But, as diverse as our society is, it's still segregated to a large degree ... not officially ... but black people, latinos and white people all tend to hang with people like themselves. Some overlap, but pretty much closed groups unto themselves. I don't think having an unofficial policy like "political correctness" to make people think about things that might be considered offensive to people of other backgrounds, ethnicities and such is a bad thing. That said, I feel many people of different faiths and backgrounds need to lighten up and not be so overly sensitive, but I don't say that as a "you" or a "they" statement. I think everyone needs to relax and laugh more. It would be great if Imus saying something stupid would only spark cries of "Ah, he's just an asshole ... who cares?" from everyone, black or white. But, the simple fact is, remarks like his tend to polarize ... they bring out the Black Anger™ and the White Anger™ in response. Very well put.
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 9:57:42 GMT -5
Post by killer on Apr 11, 2007 9:57:42 GMT -5
Was that Finebaum? I only listened to like the first 5 minutes of show -- it was starting off very interesting and I wanted to hear more -- but had to go.
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Apr 11, 2007 9:59:22 GMT -5
Post by espy on Apr 11, 2007 9:59:22 GMT -5
rich you want an example? ill show you several underone roof. i see your in cullman take a short drive to jasper. go in the auto zone there. look at management. there is a black lady running the joint that couldnt tell you whether your holding a spark plug or a water pump in your hand. now look at the other employees. there is nine white men in there. i know for a fact the one with the least experience is far more qualified than she is. but they passed over all these white males with ASE certification and handed the management title to the black lady. what would you call that? I know of three of them threatened a lawsuit over it. One has been there 9 years. The company rather than promote a qualified individual gave it to her and then offered the ones threatening a lawsuit a pay raise substantial enough to appease them. But they still have to carry her dead weight around in doing the job for her she cant do. the district manager is a good friend of mine and i asked him why they hired her and why did they give her a position she couldnt do and his response was "corporate was on my ass because there were no blacks in the store and none in management. But i couldnt hire anyone who wasnt applying in the first place. So shen she came along I was told to take care of it so someone couldnt say the company was discriminating" and this out of the mouth of a man who has been the district manager for them for 19 years. Now the same district manager has a few stores around Birmingham with ZERO white employees. Do you think the company is sweating him to promote and hire whites there. NOPE A common and perfect example of where America is heading, or at least for white America. The emphasis is on driving whites into the ground, anyone who disagrees with that is completely blind or a hermit.
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 10:05:19 GMT -5
Post by killer on Apr 11, 2007 10:05:19 GMT -5
I am sad for Imus -- he should not have been put through all this mess -- he only used terminology given to him by black community and now they are mad. Go figure.
The double standard is SICKENING. If a black man had said what he did, it wouldn't even be a blip on radar screen.
SICKENING.
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 10:05:44 GMT -5
Post by lawman on Apr 11, 2007 10:05:44 GMT -5
rich you want an example? ill show you several underone roof. i see your in cullman take a short drive to jasper. go in the auto zone there. look at management. there is a black lady running the joint that couldnt tell you whether your holding a spark plug or a water pump in your hand. now look at the other employees. there is nine white men in there. i know for a fact the one with the least experience is far more qualified than she is. but they passed over all these white males with ASE certification and handed the management title to the black lady. what would you call that? I know of three of them threatened a lawsuit over it. One has been there 9 years. The company rather than promote a qualified individual gave it to her and then offered the ones threatening a lawsuit a pay raise substantial enough to appease them. But they still have to carry her dead weight around in doing the job for her she cant do. the district manager is a good friend of mine and i asked him why they hired her and why did they give her a position she couldnt do and his response was "corporate was on my ass because there were no blacks in the store and none in management. But i couldnt hire anyone who wasnt applying in the first place. So shen she came along I was told to take care of it so someone couldnt say the company was discriminating" and this out of the mouth of a man who has been the district manager for them for 19 years. Now the same district manager has a few stores around Birmingham with ZERO white employees. Do you think the company is sweating him to promote and hire whites there. NOPE A common and perfect example of where America is heading, or at least for white America. The emphasis is on driving whites into the ground, anyone who disagrees with that is completely blind or a hermit. They are after total domination and literally seek to make Whites ...Slaves!
They're not far from their goal! Look at football, 9 or 10 on both Offense and defense are Black.....MOST Basketball teams are ALL black!
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 10:12:29 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 11, 2007 10:12:29 GMT -5
A common and perfect example of where America is heading, or at least for white America. The emphasis is on driving whites into the ground, anyone who disagrees with that is completely blind or a hermit. They are after total domination and literally seek to make Whites ...Slaves!
They're not far from their goal! Look at football, 9 or 10 on both Offense and defense are Black.....MOST Basketball teams are ALL black!Should we have a requirement that all basketball teams have an asian and a white player? I am so confused why this has become a white rallying cry to "protect the race?" This guy said something stupid and for that there are consequences. This is not the final battle of "Political Correctness" people are making it out to be. Slavery? Can I please hear more on this thought?
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 10:26:18 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 11, 2007 10:26:18 GMT -5
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 10:56:43 GMT -5
Post by brandon on Apr 11, 2007 10:56:43 GMT -5
I can see why black people would be annoyed by what he said. It was an offensive thing to say.
He got punished for saying it. Maybe for a rich guy like him, two weeks off work is a reward and not a punishment, I dunno. But it's his employer's decision to make and no one else's. Imus didn't break the law. Some sponsors are dropping their ads and the radio station will lose money. It'll all work itself out in the end. I just don't see the need to have the guy beheaded because of this.
Maybe it's just a slow month for news. No one would have cared about Imus or Anna Nicole the week after 9/11.
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 12:53:29 GMT -5
Post by fragerella on Apr 11, 2007 12:53:29 GMT -5
Like I said before, it's an attempt to reclaim the word, take it back...... Randal: Well, I still don't think "porch monkey" should be considered a racial term. I mean, I've always used it to describe lazy people, not lazy black people! I think if we really tried, we could reclaim "porch monkey" and save it.
Dante: It can't be saved, Randal! The sole purpose for its creation - the only reason it exists in the first place - is to disparage an entire race. And even if it could be saved, *you* can't save it, because you're not black!
Randal: Well, listen to you, telling me I can't do something because of the color of my skin. You're the racist! I'm taking it back, you watch! click
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rich
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Imus
Apr 11, 2007 13:42:51 GMT -5
Post by rich on Apr 11, 2007 13:42:51 GMT -5
Now the same district manager has a few stores around Birmingham with ZERO white employees. Do you think the company is sweating him to promote and hire whites there. NOPE Ok. Now we have an example. Very good. Like I said before, though, I can't really sit here and argue pro or con over affirmative action. Honestly, I see the merits of both sides of the issue. Yes, I see why it exists ... yes, I see why if offends many people who would rather employment be based on pure merit and completely devoid of any racial element. I, like many people on here, no doubt, would like for every job everywhere to be given to the most qualified applicant regardless of race, religion or gender. I'm no hermit, nor am I blind, but I fail to see how job quotas make the white male "the most discriminated against person in America." Yes, it certainly sucks if you're passed over for a less qualified applicant because of something like that. In the case of your example, it sucks not only for the people who were passed over, but for the manager who got the position as well. Why? Because now she's universally hated in her workplace and probably feels like shit because on some level she knows she was not the most qualified applicant ... but, if she's like most people, she probably has bills to pay and will keep the job regardless. I dunno ... I don't know the lady. Can't really speculate on what she's like or not like. So, yeah, affirmative action certainly has its drawbacks. Racial quotas, quotas for the handicapped, etc. all have their drawbacks. They have some positives, too. Flawed though they may be, at least they are an attempt to redress some of society's wrongs. And if some diversity and understanding comes of it, that's great. If nothing but a Us vs. Them mentality comes of it, obviously it's failed. Like I said, though, I'm not even trying to be a flag-waver for affirmative action. Don't want that job. What is getting me here - aside from the hue and cry that "the Darkies are out to get me and destroy the white man" (and I exaggerate by use of that archaic racial epithet, but not by much ... I have no doubt that if it weren't for some little bit of that dreaded, patently evil political correctness having rubbed off on everyone in our society, words like that wouldn't be considered archaic and might even be bandied about in this very forum thread from the sound of things) - is that not many people seem able to step outside of their own shoes for even a second. Seriously ... it's not really even a double standard per se. It's human nature. If someone from within a group, any group, says something derogatory about the group from within, it's perfectly acceptable. Example: Take the state of Alabama. I love this place ... been here most of my life. I, as an Alabama native, can say "Dude, our state isf***ed up and full of ignorant, inbred rednecks and our state legislature sucks." You can say it, too, and probably have. But when people from other states and countries say it, we get pissed. Same with America. We can run it down, but let anyone else do it and we're all wrapping ourselves in the flag, breathing in pure apple pie and farting the Star-Spangled Banner. ;D So, yes. It IS different when black people say stuff like that. If it had been a black DJ saying it, it wouldn't have been a problem, like someone said. Because there would be no question that he did not mean it in a racist way. It's quite obvious. But, just the very nature of the "they say it why can't we" argument annoys me on so many levels. Firstly, "They" don't say it. Some black people use the word "n-word" and some do not. Some are vehemently opposed to anyone, black or white, using it. I'm sure some black people somewhere DO favor black supremacy, just as there are some idiot white people who scream "white power" and "racial holy war" and crap like that. Idiocy is truly color blind ... one of the few institutions that is. There are assholes of every creed and color. I just get really tired of the covert slurs and racial sterotyping in general. Right now, though, I'm tired of this post, so I'll stop.
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