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Apr 10, 2007 5:23:34 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 5:23:34 GMT -5
Don Imus (Imus being a contraction of I'm an anus) is a fool for lowering himself to utilize the lingo of the urban, hip-hop, tennis shoe in the dryer crowd. That was his real mistake.
That crowd uses wording to talk about themselves in terms much worse than than that uttered by Imus, thus creating the much discussed "double standard". Imus, as a broadcaster, should use this event to expose exactly what all is being said. He should bring the lingo to light. He should expose that double standard.
Frankly, I'd tell the hucksters Jackson and Sharpton to go to hell. They care nothing about the values they espouse.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 5:37:09 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 5:37:09 GMT -5
*REPOST**REPOST**REPOST**REPOST**REPOST* Imus should be suspended for what he said. Everyone in media knows you can't go saying ridiculous nonsense like this and it be OK, and before we get all "freedom of speechy" about this let's try to remember a few things- 1. Government is not shutting him down. 2. He was not taking a courageous stand, in his opinion or anyone else's. 3. CBS Radio and MSNBC have investors to protect, IMUS put them at risk with his poor judgment and for that he deserves a suspension. 4. His suspension starts in a week (translation: vacation) ***I say all of this clearly knowing there have been things I have said that people have tried to take US down for.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 5:40:54 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 5:40:54 GMT -5
Just who in the hell is Sharpton to demand that anyone be fired for anything?
Imus was stupid. That isn't a crime.
The Constitution allows us the freedom to say whatever we like. Be our speech right or wrong, abrasive or otherwise, we do enjoy freedom of speech.
Sharpton obviously doesn't care about the Constitution, anymore than he cares about anything else he spouts off about.
Sharpton and Jackson need to go away. They are the source of any "race issues" we have today.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 5:43:00 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 5:43:00 GMT -5
This is not a constitutional or free speech issue at all. This is private insustry regulating itself.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 5:47:25 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 5:47:25 GMT -5
*REPOST**REPOST**REPOST**REPOST**REPOST* Not yet. He generally doesn't anyway. That's for the networks to decide. Not the like of Sharpton or Jackson. I don't really care if he returns or not. Then you should be outraged that hucksters can take someone down for mere language. I don't condone what Imus said. Again, he is a fool for using such shallow lingo to begin with. Yet given the double standard, and especially because of it, he shouldn't be suspended.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 5:49:25 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 5:49:25 GMT -5
Wow!!!
Put this caller in the hall of fame!!!!!!!
Another "Mark"...obviously not the crusader from yesterday...
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:01:17 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 6:01:17 GMT -5
This is not a constitutional or free speech issue at all. This is private insustry regulating itself. Bullwash. Take a look at the money that has been extorted by the two dregs of humanity Jackson and Sharpton for similar such events. Remember the Twana Brawley scandal. Look at how Jackson has tried to bind himself to the likes of the honorable M. L. King. This has nothing to do with self-regulation. This is an attempt to stave off a shake-down and litigation. Private industry creates and markets the media that perpetuates the language we are talking about. Try shutting that down. The Constitution will stand in your way at every turn. Let's be honest. I enjoy as much as anyone the stand-up routines of Pryor and Murphy. Their filthy mouths MAKE their routines funny. The language makes the comedy. The lingo makes the hip-hop sell. The linguistic artistry of the Federalist makes it enjoyable to read. Everybody needs to chill the hell out. There is no issue here, other than the one created by shake-down artists Jackson and Sharpton. It's all about money and control. If those two insist on making an issue, we should throw it back in their faces.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:11:19 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 6:11:19 GMT -5
Maybe I am not being clear here, Jackson and Sharpton should have no influence on how anyone feels on this. The comments speak for themselves, he should be punished for using poor judgement in his job, as we all would be.
Until government starts stepping on this case I am not going to start worrying what they might, could, maybe have been.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:15:30 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 6:15:30 GMT -5
Well...maybe they SHOULD not....but they DO....especially with wimps like MSNBC...
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:22:49 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 6:22:49 GMT -5
MORALLY right or wrong???
Is that the standard you want for talk radio??
Was "Happy Friggin' Valentine Day" morally right or wrong?
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:26:50 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 6:26:50 GMT -5
Here's your gray area.
Black record producers spin out the crap that contains the lingo we're talking about here.
It would be the epitome of hypocrisy to insist that black folks can use certain speech while whites cannot, and vice versa.
Here's the main thrust. Most folks, black or white, could care less about what Imus said. They're too busy making a living.
It is all about money. Jackson and Sharpton have seen to that.
It's not about right and wrong.
If Imus were doing the "David Duke Show", and there was some sort of REAL record upon which to base a charge of racism, or some admission on the part of Imus that he is a bigot, then we might be talking differently. Actually, if his show were of that ilk, it wouldn't be as big as it is. Where's Duke? Nobody knows. Nobody cares.
That can serve as an example of how society disposes of idiots. Thus, the atmosphere of supposed "bigotry" created by "those two", is the only real issue here.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:30:29 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 6:30:29 GMT -5
MORALLY right or wrong??? Is that the standard you want for talk radio?? No but in this debate, I want to move it away from Sharpton and Jackson. They should not be thrown out by people in defense of Imus - "Imus shouldn't be in trouble because Sharpton is a race pimp." I had no problem with the phrase "Friggin," my bosses had a different opinion.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:34:00 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 6:34:00 GMT -5
Jeez...
the "gray area" isn't whether or not it's "racist" (by the connotation)
(I'm listening to the news now, Dale, and Sharpton is still blabbing...so start ringing your frickin bell)
the gray area here is what to do about it...and that should be totally up to his employer...but it obviously isn't since it's STILL on the damn NEWS!!!
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:34:53 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 6:34:53 GMT -5
OK...so the answer to the question "Is it morally right or wrong?" is ...NO
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 6:45:46 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 6:45:46 GMT -5
OK...so the answer to the question "Is it morally right or wrong?" is ...NO Agreed. The Constitution doesn't make distinctions between morally right or wrong speech for this very reason. What one perceives as right, another may perceive as wrong.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:07:01 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 8:07:01 GMT -5
Three friggin hours!!!!!
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:12:57 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 8:12:57 GMT -5
Beat that horse, Beat that Horse, Cut that meat.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:16:08 GMT -5
Post by cw on Apr 10, 2007 8:16:08 GMT -5
Beating a dead horse can be quite invigorating at times and it never hurts the horse. You should try it!...LOL
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:18:59 GMT -5
Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 10, 2007 8:18:59 GMT -5
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:21:19 GMT -5
Post by bamagatr on Apr 10, 2007 8:21:19 GMT -5
OK, you Gators......
or is it Crocs?
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:29:17 GMT -5
Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 10, 2007 8:29:17 GMT -5
well if it is wrong for imus then i think it should be wrong for others as well regardless of race..if not then imus should get a pass.
IF the companies he represent had thrown him off the air for two weeks BEFORE anyone else lik jackson or sharpton got involved and NOT because they knew they would come along complaining then yeah Id agree to it.
But they are only doing it because of the attention brought on by sharpton and jackson.
I used to work in a place that several blacks referred to each other as n-words every day. But yet one of them filed a lawsuit because he heard one of the latino employees use the same word in a similar fashion as they themselves used.
There should be no gray area with issues like this. If stevie wonder can sing songs calling himself a "nappy headed little boy" or that famous writer can write childrens books titled "nappy head" and rappers can espouse all the lyrics about "hos" then I see no reason why anyone else cannot use the same terms and not be ignored like the others.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:32:53 GMT -5
Post by Kat on Apr 10, 2007 8:32:53 GMT -5
If Imus had said something about 'white-trash hos', would we be having this conversation?
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:37:03 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 8:37:03 GMT -5
If Imus had said something about 'white-trash hos', would we be having this conversation? Only if Jackson or Sharpton saw some financial advantage in it.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:40:53 GMT -5
Post by cw on Apr 10, 2007 8:40:53 GMT -5
The Liberals forced Imus to say what he said. They held his dog hostage and threatened to give it to Bill Clinton if Imus didn't say it on air.
Just a theory though...LOL
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:42:23 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 8:42:23 GMT -5
If Imus had said something about 'white-trash hos', would we be having this conversation? Only if Jackson or Sharpton saw some financial advantage in it. ........by the way. If I personally had said what Imus said, I seriously doubt that you'd even hear mention made of it. Why? I HAVE NO MONEY! I'm poor. OOPS! I mean financially challenged.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:49:39 GMT -5
Post by deovindice on Apr 10, 2007 8:49:39 GMT -5
If Imus had said, "Wow! Look at those female players of the Rutgers team with the unkempt hair and body art who seem to display loose moral predispositions", we'd have never heard a peep from anyone.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 8:53:32 GMT -5
Post by cw on Apr 10, 2007 8:53:32 GMT -5
The way I understand it, the giggaboo comment was actually either a reference to a Spike Lee film or a direct quote from it.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 9:08:26 GMT -5
Post by rich on Apr 10, 2007 9:08:26 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion, like Dale, that Imus should definitely be suspended.
This isn't even remotely a free speech issue ... and I'm a huge advocate of free speech. Every year, I go off on an annual rant when the American Library Association sponsors its Banned Books Week ... I think it's one of the greatest things ever.
However, I feel that even someone like Imus, who deals in shocking behavior and remarks, should be held accountable for the incredible stupidity and poor judgement he showed in making such a blatantly offensive and racist remark. Not by the government, of course, but by his employers and the public.
This whole "they use it, why can't we" argument about the word "n-word" and similar epithets really sticks in my craw, while we're on the subject. As a lover of language and the written and spoken word and of history, I do not feel such words should be officially banned or forbidden or whatever. I can't stand when I hear people say "the N-word" or "The F-bomb" or whatever, but I reluctantly understand why people do it. And, of course, ever since Micheal Richard's rant, the black community has been questioning their use of the word "n-word" or "nigga" as well, with even comedians like Dave Chapelle coming out and saying he will try to stop using it as it's harmful to perpetuate its use.
Still, it's perfectly ok for a black person to say it as opposed to a white person, in my opinion. Who cares if it's fair? Poor, misunderstood white people who WANT to say "n-word" but can't for fear of reprisal? Let's face it ... there is no single emotionally charged word in our language like it. "Cracker" ... "Honky" ... these things don't even begin to compare. Black people have tried - consciously or subconsciously - over the years to take the word back, to lessen it's impact. Hasn't worked, and that's become painfully obvious. But, in the same way I'm not bothered in the least when I bump into a friend who says (as many of them do) "Hey, motherfucker!", black people aren't really bothered when another black person calls them a n-word. Unless maybe if they're strangers. But, if a stranger calls me a motherfucker, it's a different story, too. Black people aren't capable of loading the word with the racist intent that comes along with someone of another race saying it. It's not a double standard, really. That's horseshit. Black dude + black dude + "Hey, nigga!" = harmless. White dude + black dude + "Hey, n-word!" = historical/sociological baggage, potentially harmful. Just the way it is. I see nothing wrong with that. Then again, I'm not clambering to use the word n-word.
And, if I were a psuedo-shock jock like Imus, I would have the sense to realize that calling the members of a largely black basketball team a bunch of "nappy-headed hos" would convey to the world, right or wrong, that I am either a raving racist, a blithering idiot ignorant of social context/ramifications, or so committed to the juvenile shock-jock ideal and eager for publicity of any kind that I'd stoop to racially-charged language as a means of self-promotion. Or some combination of all three.
And I feel where some of you are coming from in this thread and the others ... I'm not a huge fan of the hip-hop culture, even less so of gangsta rap. I don't like that negative stereotypes and negative social behavior are reinforced through that music. But, then again, I'm approaching middle age and want kids to "get the hell off my lawn," too ... and I realize that people my age didn't like the music of my rebellious youth, either.
Jackson and Sharpton are what they are. Meh.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 9:31:27 GMT -5
Post by espy on Apr 10, 2007 9:31:27 GMT -5
In the end these are all just words, it is society that has made them out to be bad words, take the word n-word, it comes from the word negro or black. Just because it was a term used in slavery days has it become a hurtful word, and besides if it were such a hurtful word then they themselves wouldn't use it to refer to each other, so until that day comes they should keep quiet about it.
And the other words we have come to call curse words started out and some still mean, common descriptions of every day things, an ass is a donkey, damn is a structure to hold back water, sh*t is used to describe feces or to convey a your dislike for something that just happened....I could keep going but every one's smart enough to know these things. As a society we are defeating ourselves squabbling over issues like "ooh, shame on you for what you said". It does boil down to freedom, I have the freedom to say what I want and you have the freedom to not listen.
I don't use these words on any regular basis except sh*t when I smash my finger with a hammer. I'm just tired of the white race always getting the brunt of all these petty arguments about what comes out of our mouth.
And rich, the last statement you made is the whole argument, they are allowed to say what they want when they want, but you take a white person and have him recite the lyrics of any of these songs and they will be persecuted.
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Imus
Apr 10, 2007 9:59:50 GMT -5
Post by rich on Apr 10, 2007 9:59:50 GMT -5
I'm just tired of the white race always getting the brunt of all these petty arguments about what comes out of our mouth. And rich, the last statement you made is the whole argument, they are allowed to say what they want when they want, but you take a white person and have him recite the lyrics of any of these songs and they will be persecuted. Are you really tired of it? Why? I don't mean to be combative, here. I'm no troll. My argument isn't even specifically directed at you. I'm just wondering why people feel so put upon that Imus is being punished for making a racist remark. I'm a white dude, and I'm wondering where all of the White Angerâ„¢ is coming from. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. Unless you spout racial invectives on the radio, it shouldn't affect you, either. The white race has not been and is not being especially put upon by our society. The Man is not keeping us down. I'm no apologist for the left here. True, my beliefs fall slightly to the left of moderate, unlike many here. And, yes, I believe in political correctness to a degree (actually being culturally sensitive, not being culturally over-sensitive and everyone suing everyone else over Easter bunnies in schools and what-not). I'm just saying what's so unfair about the whole thing? If you wanted to read rap lyrics, you can. So can anyone else. Context is a big part of it. But should a radio station allow you to get on the airwaves and read them, prefaced by a statement like "listen to what those crazy, nappy-headed n-word hos are listening to these days" without repercussions? I don't think so. Imus' comments are a reflection on his station and his employers. They have every right to punish him.
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