syme
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Post by syme on Apr 12, 2007 12:42:36 GMT -5
Pull just one line from Aeneid in direct relation to Physics as the bronze age poetry above did.
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Post by cw on Apr 12, 2007 17:20:10 GMT -5
irstly, you missed the point. My quest wasn't to learn all I could learn about physics, my quest was for truth. Secondly, the following is an absolutely true statement: Heb 11:3 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. NKJV That's pure physics, but how did this guy know that two thousand years ago? That's absolutely ridiculous. It's just a line of bronze age poetry. I'm sure there are plenty of lines you could pull from the Aeneid that would sound much more convincing. www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+physics&btnG=Google+SearchIt's not ridiculous at all. It's absolute fact. Not only is everything in the physical universe made up of fundamentally invisible energy, but even the matter that IS seen is actually invisible. Yes, you heard that right. All matter is also invisible. What you think you are seeing is a trick of physics. It takes another created thing for these objects to be perceived. It takes the second thing God created...light. What you think you are seeing you are not seeing at all. All you percieve to be seeing is nothing but light reflecting off it at a particular wavelength. While I'm at it, let's talk about the first thing God created, time itself. And this is where most scoffers from the atheist religion generally must exercize their greatest leaps of faith. They cannot fundamentally grasp the concept of being outside of the space-time continuum. Gen 1:1 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. NKJV Even you have heard this sentence before, but let me amplify it from the original Hebrew. Gen 1:1 1:1 In the beginning (at the very first instance of time itself) God created (from nothing) the heavens (spaces) and the earth (matter). Do you believe in the Big Bang? So do I. Had you or I been around when God did this I'm absolutely sure it would have appeared to us as a cataclysmic explosion. Personally, I don't think you know enough about physics for any of this to mean a thing to you even though its just fundamental stuff. And that's perfect fine. Before I was saved I owned a bible and I actually read it on occasion. Like you, I believed the old testament to be a loose record of history and poetry, and I thought that Jesus was a pretty good guy and I should try to emulate Him in my behaviour towards others. I understand things differently now. From all your posts here its clear to me that God is working you over. Only a person with doubts protests as much as you do! ;D Thank you for your time Blondie, be blessed today.
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Post by blondie on Apr 13, 2007 8:12:19 GMT -5
It's not ridiculous at all. It's absolute fact. Not only is everything in the physical universe made up of fundamentally invisible energy, but even the matter that IS seen is actually invisible. Yes, you heard that right. All matter is also invisible. What you think you are seeing is a trick of physics. It takes another created thing for these objects to be perceived. It takes the second thing God created...light. What you think you are seeing you are not seeing at all. All you percieve to be seeing is nothing but light reflecting off it at a particular wavelength. While I'm at it, let's talk about the first thing God created, time itself. And this is where most scoffers from the atheist religion generally must exercize their greatest leaps of faith. They cannot fundamentally grasp the concept of being outside of the space-time continuum. Gen 1:1 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. NKJV Even you have heard this sentence before, but let me amplify it from the original Hebrew. Gen 1:1 1:1 In the beginning (at the very first instance of time itself) God created (from nothing) the heavens (spaces) and the earth (matter). Do you believe in the Big Bang? So do I. Had you or I been around when God did this I'm absolutely sure it would have appeared to us as a cataclysmic explosion. Personally, I don't think you know enough about physics for any of this to mean a thing to you even though its just fundamental stuff. And that's perfect fine. Before I was saved I owned a bible and I actually read it on occasion. Like you, I believed the old testament to be a loose record of history and poetry, and I thought that Jesus was a pretty good guy and I should try to emulate Him in my behaviour towards others. I understand things differently now. From all your posts here its clear to me that God is working you over. Only a person with doubts protests as much as you do! ;D Thank you for your time Blondie, be blessed today. This is such an outrageous stretch. I know some Hindus believe the Vedas predict modern science. www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/7348/physics_metaphysics.htmlAnd Muslims say the same thing about the Koran: home.att.net/~a.f.aly/creation.htmFunny how science always comes first and then religious people claim they knew that all along.
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Post by blondie on Apr 13, 2007 9:36:02 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think you know enough about physics for any of this to mean a thing to you even though its just fundamental stuff. And that's perfect fine. I know a bit about physics. I also know a bit about the Bible. I also know a bit about Christian apologetics. To claim the Bible is a science textbook is an insult science and religion.
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Post by cw on Apr 13, 2007 19:02:58 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think you know enough about physics for any of this to mean a thing to you even though its just fundamental stuff. And that's perfect fine. I know a bit about physics. I also know a bit about the Bible. I also know a bit about Christian apologetics. To claim the Bible is a science textbook is an insult science and religion. . I would bury you in physics. It's nothing but fact. I know more about it than you know about all the accumulated supposed knowledge you have about anything. I'm not bragging, I'm just trying to tell you who you are dealing with. If you can't go there, then shut up. You'll do nothing but make an even bigger fool of yourself. Understand? Good. Let's get beyond that then. So then, my original understanding was correct. You are a person of Great Faith! Faith in nothing, but great faith none the less. You have no idea about how things are, no idea about why things are, but you have faith in nothing anyway. I admire your faith.
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Post by blondie on Apr 15, 2007 7:13:26 GMT -5
I know a bit about physics. I also know a bit about the Bible. I also know a bit about Christian apologetics. To claim the Bible is a science textbook is an insult science and religion. . I would bury you in physics. It's nothing but fact. I know more about it than you know about all the accumulated supposed knowledge you have about anything. I'm not bragging, I'm just trying to tell you who you are dealing with. If you can't go there, then shut up. You'll do nothing but make an even bigger fool of yourself. Understand? Good. Let's get beyond that then. So then, my original understanding was correct. You are a person of Great Faith! Faith in nothing, but great faith none the less. You have no idea about how things are, no idea about why things are, but you have faith in nothing anyway. I admire your faith. Right, right. Did you know that the higher your IQ or the more education you have the less likely you are to believe in god? www.halfsigma.com/2006/06/religious_peopl.htmlAlso if you know so much about physics and are a Christian you're a rare apple. Actually I think you're just a little kid. I can't imagine an adult bragging about knowing more science than a total stranger. I also am not aware of any educated scientists who believe the creation stories in Genesis are anything more than mythology.
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Post by SAT on Apr 15, 2007 8:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by SAT on Apr 15, 2007 8:22:26 GMT -5
[/quote] Actually I think you're just a little kid. I can't imagine an adult bragging about knowing more science than a total stranger. I also am not aware of any educated scientists who believe the creation stories in Geniuses are anything more than mythology.[/quote] [glow=red,2,300]This is all you do, you freakin putz[/glow]
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Post by kevin on Apr 19, 2007 22:59:45 GMT -5
Right, right. Did you know that the higher your IQ or the more education you have the less likely you are to believe in god? www.halfsigma.com/2006/06/religious_peopl.htmlAlso if you know so much about physics and are a Christian you're a rare apple. Actually I think you're just a little kid. I can't imagine an adult bragging about knowing more science than a total stranger. I also am not aware of any educated scientists who believe the creation stories in Genesis are anything more than mythology. There is some validity to this statement. Most colleges are full of liberal professors who are brilliant thinkers but also do not believe in God. But I suppose I'm a rare apple too then. I haven't taken a valid IQ test (do the various Internet ones count?!?) lately, but I have a BS in Chemistry, MS in Engineering and Masters in Management Information Systems. All "hard sciences", more or less. And NONE of it has lessened my belief in God one iota. In fact, it has actually strengthened the belief! The one thing I do notice about most who call themselves atheists is that they constantly try to disprove the existence of God. Its like some agenda to them..."I don't believe in God, and by gosh, I'm going to make sure others share my unbelief!!" Of course, much the same can be said about Christians. Some get overzealous in their pursuit of carrying out the Great Commission, but that approach rarely works. Live the life in front of them - your actions will always speak louder than your words!!
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Post by blondie on Apr 20, 2007 8:56:09 GMT -5
There is some validity to this statement. Most colleges are full of liberal professors who are brilliant thinkers but also do not believe in God. But I suppose I'm a rare apple too then. I haven't taken a valid IQ test (do the various Internet ones count?!?) lately, but I have a BS in Chemistry, MS in Engineering and Masters in Management Information Systems. All "hard sciences", more or less. And NONE of it has lessened my belief in God one iota. In fact, it has actually strengthened the belief! You can be smart and be religious. Just not smart about philosophy. Or really religion for that matter. You also have to be able to compartmentalize. If you applly the same critical thinking you apply to engineering to Christianity its flaws and inconsistencies come up pretty fast. I bet you wouldn't use special pleading when it comes to deciding what to build a bridge out of.
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