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Post by phinehas on Apr 5, 2007 16:18:03 GMT -5
Man, you are stupid.
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Post by blondie on Apr 5, 2007 16:24:14 GMT -5
There is a lot of truths in those pictures and the words written in those pictures......maybe you're just mad because the truth hurts..... "Abstinence Makes the Church grow Fondlers".......Talk about a true statement....... The Content Advisory in the first picture......Talk about a true statement...... and you could possibly get a Free playstation 3 if its god's will, right? ? I choose not to live a life of fear from a supernatural being......I choose not to believe in your book of fairytales.......Hell, if you believe in that crap you better get ready cause the easterbunny will be here this sunday.....and if your good little boys and girls the fairytale easter bunny might leave you some sweets........ By the way.....I'M SICK OF YOU FRUITLOOP CHRISTIANS RUNNING MY STATE AND TELLING ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE.........FUCK OFF!!!!! Rant off..... Ya'll have a great weekend.......:-) Doberman I agree, it's frustrating. Education is the answer, but religious people tend not to be open to ideas that go against their presuppositions. They don't confront new ideas. They just rationalize their old ones. Maybe it's fear. Maybe it's an unwillingness to face up to not being the center of the universe. I don't pretend to understand it. I mean the supernatural claims of religion are so obviously not true. There's always a better explanation that magic.
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 5, 2007 16:56:13 GMT -5
Well, if you enjoy a pointless, hopeless existence, more power to you. Blondie, maybe you've done this in the past but I'd love for you to go ahead and admit that you are not a tolerant person.
The big irony here is that this is a better description for Atheist.
Actually, you claim to know for a fact that Christians are wrong. If you don't understand it, how can make such claims? Blondie, I've said this before and I'll say it again. It doesn't bother me that you disagree with Christianity. That's your right and I love to debate people in open and honest discussions regarding the reasons they believe what they believe. The thing that troubles me is the incessant degradation of Christianity as a whole and the beliefs many of us here espouse to. Show some honesty and respect and for once try to be the tolerant person you claim to be.
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Post by espy on Apr 5, 2007 17:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by espy on Apr 5, 2007 17:14:03 GMT -5
doberman, who exactly are you trying to hurt or impress with these photos, you are only hurting yourself and any credibility you might have had. We aren't offended, Christ is and it will be between you and him in the end whether you believe it or not, that's why no one is commenting on them.
sad.....
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 5, 2007 19:35:31 GMT -5
I agree, it's frustrating. I've been waiting for you to weigh in on this fruitcake... You no longer have any credibility when you accuse Christians of finding wackos that agree with them... I wouldn't even expect YOU to line up with this degree of human vulgarity, but obviously you do...
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Post by AntiChrist on Apr 5, 2007 20:53:11 GMT -5
I find the Photos Funny.....I find your beliefs SAD..... If you want to keep funneling your money to these business's (I mean churches), thats your problem.....I just find it SAD!!!!!!..... ........Its sad you choose to waste your life and your money.....IT PISSES ME OFF that you PUSH your beliefs on me and the religious extremists you elect pass laws telling me how to live my life......
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 5, 2007 21:55:24 GMT -5
okay..... sure.....
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 9:15:36 GMT -5
Well, if you enjoy a pointless, hopeless existence, more power to you. This is one of the saddest augments theists put out there. "If you don't believe like me your life is meaningless, hopeless, pointless." The "point" of a Christian's life doesn't seem so hot to me. In fact it's sad and misguided. I think you people are missing out on the human experience by pretending your way through life. It's like you're all playing Dungeons and Dragons while we're living. I don't think the entire universe is all about me and my buddies. I don't even think it's all about humans or Earth. You think the entire universe is all about Christians. So the idea that Atheists think they are the center of the universe is ridiculous. Another Christian attack that makes no sense if you think about it. Where do you get this stuff from? By any objective measure the supernatural claims of Christianity are wrong. I don't understand how people can believe it.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 6, 2007 9:58:26 GMT -5
I don't understand how people can believe it. It's not "don't"....it's "won't".... But that's OK...
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 10:37:10 GMT -5
I don't understand how people can believe it. It's not "don't"....it's "won't".... But that's OK... So why "won't" you believe in Ganesha? I mean reality is just a personal choice right?
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 6, 2007 10:49:34 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GaneshaIn Hinduism, Ganesha is one of the best known and beloved representations of God.Why is it so hard to stretch your mind to consider that we ALL worship the same God, we just have different interpretations?
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 6, 2007 11:38:56 GMT -5
I mean reality is just a personal choice right? Yes...you have made that clear many many times...
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 12:13:26 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GaneshaIn Hinduism, Ganesha is one of the best known and beloved representations of God.Why is it so hard to stretch your mind to consider that we ALL worship the same God, we just have different interpretations? That's what the Hindus think. But it's more than that. You can be an Atheist and a Hindu. I don't believe that the Vedas a the most profound books ever, so it won't work for me. I prefer Western philosophy. There's a zillion different kinds of Hinduism but many believe there are 4 paths to enlightenment: You can worship any god and be doing this: Bhakti Yoga is for the person with an emotional nature, the lover. It teaches a devotional relationship with God, since God is love itself. This is where my head is: Jnana Yoga is the approach to spiritual enlightenment through discrimination and reason. This makes strong use of the powers of the mind. It is the of the philosopher who wants to go beyond the visible universe. Karma Yoga is for the worker. It teaches us how to work in a spirit that will bring peace of mind, and yet harness the natural desire to be productive. Raja Yoga is sometimes called the yoga of meditation. It is the soul of all the yogas. The emphasis here is on controlling the mind through concentration and meditation. Raja yoga is also called the psychological way to union with God.
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Post by Kat on Apr 6, 2007 12:32:20 GMT -5
God is too big to fit into one religion.
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Post by Doberman on Apr 6, 2007 14:08:29 GMT -5
blondie......your Karma is rated -7......you might want to do some of that karma yoga to get that rating up..... ;D......j/k
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Post by Doberman on Apr 6, 2007 14:13:27 GMT -5
oops.....I guess I'm on the downslide too......SHIT!!!!!
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Post by wdaron on Apr 6, 2007 16:34:06 GMT -5
Yesterday at 5:36pm, wdaron wrote" The Romney-cult thing has been going on for some while. It was James Dobson who painted Fred Thompson as "not Christian enough." www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/3/28/151351.shtml?s=po NewsMax.com calls this a "devastating blow." I wish I had an answer as to what a Christian is, to me I think a Christian is anyone who truly believes they are. How God reconciles that is up to him. This topic gets under my skin because it seems as if ever thread devolves (not an evolution comment) to who is the best Christian. I know what you mean! I get that same feeling every morning M-F at about 5a.m. ;D Me too. Thank you! You said "to who is the best Christian." would'nt that be Christ himself? I am just asking!
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Post by blondie on Apr 6, 2007 16:35:14 GMT -5
blondie......your Karma is rated -7......you might want to do some of that karma yoga to get that rating up..... ;D......j/k It used to be -14 When I first started posting on this forum they kept smiting me just for my politics and lack of religion. I've never been particularly rude. All things being equal. The fact that I've come back this far says something. I'm not sure what. Remember that bumper sticker: My Karma ran over my Dogma? I always wanted one that said: Actually, Karma is a form of Dogma
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Post by tusker on Apr 7, 2007 3:30:53 GMT -5
Actually, a Christian is one who has placed his or her faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. One who believes that the only way for his or her sins to be forgiven is for those sins to have been paid for by the perfect sacrifice....the death of Jesus Christ.
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 9:42:37 GMT -5
Actually, a Christian is one who has placed his or her faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. One who believes that the only way for his or her sins to be forgiven is for those sins to have been paid for by the perfect sacrifice....the death of Jesus Christ.
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Post by espy on Apr 7, 2007 9:47:52 GMT -5
blondie......your Karma is rated -7......you might want to do some of that karma yoga to get that rating up..... ;D......j/k It used to be -14 When I first started posting on this forum they kept smiting me just for my politics and lack of religion. I've never been particularly rude. All things being equal. The fact that I've come back this far says something. I'm not sure what. Remember that bumper sticker: My Karma ran over my Dogma? I always wanted one that said: Actually, Karma is a form of Dogma
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 7, 2007 11:15:52 GMT -5
espy...that is funny as hell....
the karma ran slap over the dogma.....
and the pussy survived...hallelujah....
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 7, 2007 17:03:23 GMT -5
This is one of the saddest augments theists put out there. "If you don't believe like me your life is meaningless, hopeless, pointless." The "point" of a Christian's life doesn't seem so hot to me. In fact it's sad and misguided. I think you people are missing out on the human experience by pretending your way through life. It's like you're all playing Dungeons and Dragons while we're living. Blondie, you believe this universe can into existance by mere chance. Please tell me how that gives your existance meaning and value. Can you? If there is no purpose behind your being here then of what value are you? Again, you are showing your lack of understanding of Christianity. You do not believe in the idea of truth. Whatever it is that you feel is "right" is all that matters. You are your own god. How does that not make you the center of your own universe? I'm not asking you to believe in turning water into wine. I'm asking to honestly answer my questions and evaluate what it is that you believe. If you can look at the world around you and honestly believe that it is the result of chance then.....fine. I can't change your mind. It would be nice to actually see you admit that you are not a tolerant person, though ;D
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Post by blondie on Apr 7, 2007 18:54:51 GMT -5
Blondie, you believe this universe can into existance by mere chance. Zoo, you can't out philosophize me. Do you believe a supernatural being came into existence by "chance" and created the universe by magic? Maybe this supernatural being always existed by "chance." This is a meaningless question. Please tell me how that gives your existance meaning and value. Can you? If there is no purpose behind your being here then of what value are you? Why do you think my life has no meaning? If the meaning of your life is to worship YHWH, is that particularly profound? More profound than helping others or creating great art? How about trying to create the Ubermensch? This is another meaningless question. You do not believe in the idea of truth. No group has misused the word "truth" more than Christians. They use it interchangeably with their particular dogma. I don't believe that value judgments are "true." I do believe we share a objective reality where sentient beings communicate. I'll admit a leap of faith in believing you're not just a figure of my imagination. You are your own god. How does that not make you the center of your own universe? "God' is a useless word. Zeus is a God. There's thousands of them. I'm my own Zeus? That's not what you mean. You worship Jesus, but use it to mean both the historical man and some sort of Allah/YHWH abstract. I don't think I'm anything like these characters. I'm an existentialist. Alone and naked in a universe I don't understand. Certainly not the purpose for my surroundings.
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Post by family1st on Apr 8, 2007 13:58:47 GMT -5
No group has misused the word "truth" more than Christians. They use it interchangeably with their particular dogma.
I don't believe that value judgments are "true."
I do believe we share a objective reality where sentient beings communicate. I'll admit a leap of faith in believing you're not just a figure of my imagination.
One could say the same thing about you and your GW/Evolution ideas.
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Post by espy on Apr 8, 2007 14:04:38 GMT -5
blondie: man, woman, child or figment of our imagination...............the people want to know... >Edit< oh, I almost forgot.....hermaphrodite, genderless, or deity I have no doubt you wont take this seriously......
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 8, 2007 20:57:48 GMT -5
Zoo, you can't out philosophize me. I never said I was trying to do so but I do appreciate you acknowledging that I'm making you defensive Your flippant answers do not reflect well upon you. These are profound questions that many a philosopher has struggled to reach an answer to and for you to brush them off as meaningless indicates a lack of thought on your part. I do not believe in chance. I was hoping for honesty from you instead of you putting up your defenses. I will continue to hope. Please re-read what I wrote. I never said that I think your life has no meaning. I've merely pointed out that, under your belief system, there is no purpose for your life beyond gratifying your own desires. If your life is the result of chance, then of what value is helping others or creating great art? If your existence has no express purpose then it doesn't matter what you do, does it? I think you should take another look at this question. It is far from meaningless. I'm not sure where this statement came from. It doesn't seem to be in response to anything I posted. All I said is that you do not believe in the idea of truth. Christians do believe in truth. Are you using this as defense to the idea that your life does have purpose? What you observe and feel is all that matters. There is nothing higher than your own experience. I'm really not sure what you're responding to here. Could you point to what part your responding to so that I can respond appropriately? And, thus you have nothing to hope in. Are you satisfied with being "alone and naked?" I said before that, according to what you believe your life has no meaning and you have essentially confirmed that is how you feel. Then we share a common belief. Since you have stepped out and shared with me what you do believe, I will reciprocate. I do not believe that this world was created for me or for man or for any other created entity. I do not believe in chance. I believe in an Eternal God who has no beginning and no end. I believe He has done everything for His glory for He is the only one who deserves glory. I believe that all things have been created for the sole purpose of giving glory to Him. I believe that He has started a plan before the foundation of this world and this plan will bring to Him the glory He deserves and demands. I believe that He has revealed Himself to us through his creation. I believe that He has revealed Himself to us through the 66 books contained in The Bible. I believe that He has revealed Himself to those who have accepted Him as God by sending His Spirit to guide me, strengthen me, and comfort me. I believe that He has revealed Himself by giving us the law that was given to Moses and to Israel. I believe that He has revealed Himself to man by sending His only Son Jesus to who was perfect and blameless. I believe that Jesus, in His love for God, accepted the punishment for the sins of all mankind by dying on a cross. I believe that He died, was buried, and then rose again three days later proving that He had, once and for all, conquered sin and it's consequences. I believe that, by accepting Jesus's atonement for my sin and committing my life to glorifying God, He has promised to bring me into His presence for all eternity where there will be no sorrow and no pain. This is my hope. This is my purpose. Let the bashing begin..... ;D
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Post by espy on Apr 8, 2007 21:34:35 GMT -5
Then we share a common belief. Since you have stepped out and shared with me what you do believe, I will reciprocate. I do not believe that this world was created for me or for man or for any other created entity. I do not believe in chance. I believe in an Eternal God who has no beginning and no end. I believe He has done everything for His glory for He is the only one who deserves glory. I believe that all things have been created for the sole purpose of giving glory to Him. I believe that He has started a plan before the foundation of this world and this plan will bring to Him the glory He deserves and demands. I believe that He has revealed Himself to us through his creation. I believe that He has revealed Himself to us through the 66 books contained in The Bible. I believe that He has revealed Himself to those who have accepted Him as God by sending His Spirit to guide me, strengthen me, and comfort me. I believe that He has revealed Himself by giving us the law that was given to Moses and to Israel. I believe that He has revealed Himself to man by sending His only Son Jesus to who was perfect and blameless. I believe that Jesus, in His love for God, accepted the punishment for the sins of all mankind by dying on a cross. I believe that He died, was buried, and then rose again three days later proving that He had, once and for all, conquered sin and it's consequences. I believe that, by accepting Jesus's atonement for my sin and committing my life to glorifying God, He has promised to bring me into His presence for all eternity where there will be no sorrow and no pain. This is my hope. This is my purpose. Let the bashing begin..... ;D [glow=yellow,2,300]Zoomixer, you should frame that.[/glow] That has to be the best, most concise description of what a Christan is than I have ever seen. [shadow=blue,left,300] [glow=yellow,2,300]BRAVO![/glow][/shadow] for being able to put into words what we Christians here have been stumbling over all this time.
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 9, 2007 14:14:08 GMT -5
I do not believe that this world was created for me or for man or for any other created entity. I do not believe in chance. I believe in an Eternal God who has no beginning and no end. I believe He has done everything for His glory for He is the only one who deserves glory. I believe that all things have been created for the sole purpose of giving glory to Him. I believe that He has started a plan before the foundation of this world and this plan will bring to Him the glory He deserves and demands. I believe that He has revealed Himself to us through his creation. I believe that He has revealed Himself to us through the 66 books contained in The Bible. I believe that He has revealed Himself to those who have accepted Him as God by sending His Spirit to guide me, strengthen me, and comfort me. I believe that He has revealed Himself by giving us the law that was given to Moses and to Israel. I believe that He has revealed Himself to man by sending His only Son Jesus to who was perfect and blameless. I believe that Jesus, in His love for God, accepted the punishment for the sins of all mankind by dying on a cross. I believe that He died, was buried, and then rose again three days later proving that He had, once and for all, conquered sin and it's consequences. I believe that, by accepting Jesus's atonement for my sin and committing my life to glorifying God, He has promised to bring me into His presence for all eternity where there will be no sorrow and no pain. This is my hope. This is my purpose. Let the bashing begin..... ;D No bashing necessary. You very eloquently stated the definition of a Christian. I commend you for placing it in very layman terms where all can understand.
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