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Post by TIMMY on Apr 19, 2007 20:41:39 GMT -5
did you pack your stuff and head south? It's not far. Try 231 south until you smell the boiled peanuts. Turn right, go over bridge. Stop andlook at all illegals working on overpass, stop at t-shirt shop, stop at super walmart for some stamps and bread. Find Alvin's island, buy a shell. Then you are homeeeeeee. Timmy rules. Other are fools. Dale and Chris like Lauren DeGeorge alot. Sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N_g. Nah much. Timmy
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 19, 2007 21:37:39 GMT -5
The last thing I wanted to consider was that this guy might've had some link to terrorism.
Being that all terrorists are Muslims (though not all Muslims are terroists), I thought about the backlash that might be directed against Muslims here in the US. I had visions of internment camps and the like.
However, when I heard the word "charlatan" used, my antennae popped up. Maybe I'm a racist, but the first thing I thought when I heard that particular word was "Muslim".
I'll be very interested in seeing what additional information comes out over the next days and weeks.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 19, 2007 22:03:03 GMT -5
I heard our good friend DeGeorge is in some trouble, I like to think I played a role in that.
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Post by solomon on Apr 20, 2007 15:57:08 GMT -5
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/200407standdown.htmThe VA Police were ordered to stand down. That sounds very much like a FBI screw up. I've been in law enforcement a few years and heard some very descriptive language describing what "FBI" stands for, "F-ing"- Bumbling-Idiots. It would seem to appear to be very accurate at a time like this.
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Post by brandon on Apr 21, 2007 0:23:55 GMT -5
As much as I think the FBI belongs to a bunch of girly men with polo shirts, I have a hard time believing that "prisonplanet" has any sort of bead on what actually happened.
We're talking about a two hour time frame here. Since when has the Federal Bureau of Incompetence had any sort of ability to respond to anything within two hours?
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Post by solomon on Apr 21, 2007 0:39:34 GMT -5
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Post by espy on Apr 21, 2007 7:56:56 GMT -5
AMEN!!!! that should be broadcast throughout the country on every channel.
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Post by starlag 13 on Apr 21, 2007 10:36:55 GMT -5
In regards to the VT shooting:
I wonder when this is going to somehow be George Bushs\' fault?
If the FBI story is true then that could be the possible route the Left will take to place blame on him somehow.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 21, 2007 18:18:37 GMT -5
starlag-
That's already happened.
That MoveOn.org mouthpiece on MSNBC, Keith Olbermann, has already said that Bush and the Republicans are at least partially to blame because they let the ban on assault weapons passed in 1994 I believe to lapse and that one of the restrictions under that law was a ban on high-capacity magazines.
Maybe the concept is a bit too arcane for good old KOok to wrap his tiny brain around, but there is such a thing as "relaoding" that can happen when you run out of bullets in a clip, regardless of the capacity of the clip, and that, because VT was a "Gun Free Zone", Cho could stop to reload as many times as he had to because NO ONE WAS ARMED SO NO ONE COULD SHOOT BACK.
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Post by solomon on Apr 21, 2007 23:21:19 GMT -5
Good post WOMI. I'd like to see more of that from you. If you like the 2nd amendment don't vote for the neocon republican party though. Rudy and McCain are the front runners and they are anti-gunners.
Who do you plan on voting for?
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Post by Chuch Heston on Apr 21, 2007 23:29:13 GMT -5
"ban on high-capacity magazines" news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070422/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shootingThe magazines were bought on ebay and they were not anything but normal magazines for that 22 caliber. That's like the Left to jump the gun, no pun intended, and state that as being the case. It would not surprise me that the MSM reported this but it would not surprise me if the LEFT continues on about the magazines anyway.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 22, 2007 13:14:39 GMT -5
Good post WOMI. I'd like to see more of that from you. If you like the 2nd amendment don't vote for the neocon republican party though. Rudy and McCain are the front runners and they are anti-gunners. Who do you plan on voting for? A true Conservative generally refrains from finding rights in the Constitution that aren't there (like abortion) and ignoring rights in the Constitution that are there (like gun ownership). Not to flog a deceased equine, but your use of "neocon" in this context is pretty accurate. I'd consider Guiliani to be very neoconish...though he might just be a typical Northeastern liberal Republican. We have plenty of those in the Party- Snowe, Collins, Specter, Sununu, etc. Not sure that I'd say the same for McCain though. My beef with him is that he authored a bill that manifestly infringes on the First Amendment. McCain-Feingold clearly infringes on free speech. I've said before: I support Newt Gingrich if he runs. He is the only visionary among either Party's candidates, announced or unannounced, and I consider him to be something America has a dearth of: Statesman. If he doesn't run or runs and doesn't get the nomination....I really don't know. I've long been the one who rails against people who vote for a party just to deprive the other Party of a victory but, if the stakes were stay home and see Hillary elected, I think I'd have to hold my nose and vote for ANY Republican- yes, including Ron Paul - over her. Hillary is the single most dangerous person in America today.
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Post by fragerella on Apr 24, 2007 11:54:56 GMT -5
I didn't notice that anyone followed up on any of the inaccuracies in this thread. There are literally hundreds of links available that show this guy wasn't Chinese, wasn't from Saudi Arabia and most likely didn't represent Islamic terrorism. Internet Abuzz Over Shooter's Use Of 'Ismail Ax'Bloggers and online discussions offer theories on what the words might mean. They have created anagrams, cited poems, books and religious teachings, and floated the suggestion that the phrase was simply 23-year-old English major's name for himself.
The most prominent discussions involve references to Muslim religious texts in which God asks Abraham to slay his son Ishmael in order to prove his loyalty to him.
But making that link is not "intellectually honest" given Cho's background, said Omid Safi, a professor of Islamic studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
"If you watch the video from the shooter, he very specifically talks about himself in Christian terms," Safi said, adding that Cho's references to Jesus Christ and being impaled upon a cross are not words "any Muslim would ever use."
Cho, a sullen loner who often refused attempts to communicate with others, used the religious references to blame his actions on those who had bullied him growing up, speculated Thomas C. Brown, founder of The Broken Toy Project, an anti-bullying awareness program.
"Killing them would tell his former tormentors that 'their' mistreatment of him, (not those at Virginia Tech) resulted in this carnage," Brown wrote in an e-mail. "I don't think he was angry at anyone at Virginia Tech. They were the innocents; just like Ismael would have been if his father had killed him to prove his loyalty to God."
Another theory focuses on a poem by 1960s beat poet Drum Hadley called "The Goat Ranchers," written under the pseudonym Yonder Ridgeline. In the poem about a romantic couple Haldey writes: "Traces of Ishmael's ax on the scarred trunks of the cedar trees."
Others link the phrase to writings including Herman Melville's 1851 novel "Moby-Dick," in which the narrator is named Ishmael. There is also a set of inspirational books by Daniel Quinn that features a gorilla named Ishmael that examines humankind.
There is also talk in cyberspace of links to Ismail Ak, a professor of psychiatry at a Turkish university, whose studies include psychiatry of anti-social and suicidal behavior.
Among the other suggestions were anagrams that referred to the ancient punishment of pouring salt on fields that made them incapable growing crops, a Bob Marley song called "Small Axe," and a technology called "AxisMail" that lets users have e-mail messages sent to their cell phones.The guy was an English major, so it's certainly feasible that his lunatic ramblings (spoken or written) would be rich with literary allusion.
But I guess when people don't have personal knowledge of such things (often found in small rectangular objects. They're called books. They require a little effort on your part, and make no bee-bee-bee-bee-beeps. <---that's an allusion, folks*), then it's easier to say that he's a crazed Chinese muslim bringing on teh jihad.*actually, it's a quote from a movie, but technically speaking, it passes for allusion in the context of this thread.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 24, 2007 12:27:35 GMT -5
"The most prominent discussions involve references to Muslim religious texts in which God asks Abraham to slay his son Ishmael in order to prove his loyalty to him."You must have missed my post. I would say the below would fit more with his rant which has nothing to do with the abrahamic story but could be the allusion he was using. Cho was the ax. He left his father after he lost hope to convert him to the right path, and directed his efforts towards the people of the town, but they rejected his call and threatened him. By Allah, he said, I shall plot a plan to destroy their idols. He knew that a big celebration was coming soon, where everybody would leave town for a big feast on the riverbank. After making sure that nobody was left in town, Ibrahim went towards the temple armed with an ax. Statues of all shapes and sizes were sitting there adorned with decorations. Plates of food were offered to them, but the food was untouched. "Well, why don't you eat? The food is getting cold." He said to the statues, joking; then with his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them. He hung the ax around its neck and left. www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
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Post by fragerella on Apr 24, 2007 12:47:30 GMT -5
Interesting parallels (I've got limited knowledge of the various religious texts, so I learn new things relating to them often)....
To be clear, my point was that there are many possible explinations for the words scrawled on the guy's arm, and to me, given the his obvious knowledge of the literary world, it would seem that the reference itself has a greater chance of being related to a work of literature than it does some obscure (but radical) reference to Islam.
I feel like lots of people thought, "Crazy non-cacasian flips out & kills people....MUST BE A MUSLIM!" or "This is what happens when you let the evil Chinese into our country because they want to destroy it!!!!". Once that happens, there's no discussion about the real "why" of the whole situation (assuming it really didn't have anything to do with Islam, of course).
I was thinking...maybe he did that on purpose, knowing the public would make a connection to his actions and radical Islam...kind of like a final, "Gotcha, Suckas!!!" to the world.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 24, 2007 12:57:11 GMT -5
I don't think his use of the word means that he was a muslim, just that he used an allusion, as you put it, from the Koran, which he and other people can consider as a work of literature and exclude the religion out of it.
We know that it means something to him or somebody and that the meaning is prominent in his actions in some way. It may just be what he called himself as well, but that in itself would have meaning.
I do get tired of hearing this being about immigration is some way, considering that he was 8 years old when he came here. That is just people that are ignorant of the facts of the case and just make assumptions.
I don't think he used it as a means to get people thinking this was a terrorist act because he would have made it much more clear, if that was the case. He could have said allah akkbar a couple of times, etc. stuff like that.
I think it is in relation to the koranic passages above or some other thing he pulled out of a book.
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Post by kevin on May 5, 2007 18:03:38 GMT -5
Didn't read through this entire thread, but there are many people who wanted to classify Cho as a "Christian terrorist" just because of what he said in his video “You have vandalised my heart, raped my soul and tortured my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic more life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ to inspire generations of the weak and the defenceless people.” In a sense, can't say I would blame anyone. Not that I even remotely agree because his actions in no way represented Christianity, but many are also quick to see muslims = terrorist. I've even done the same myself in the past but I'm in the process of looking beyond Christianity into other beliefs. Not because I am dissatisfied with my faith (not in the least!), but so that I may understand the mindset of other faiths and even agnostics and atheists. Otherwise, it would be easy for me to make ignorant statements -- those similar to what non-Christians make about Christians.
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