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Post by v on Jan 29, 2007 9:41:08 GMT -5
If so, then why aren't we doing anything to protect it?
War, illegals, crooked politicians, debt, etc....
what does this country do right and is it worth putting up with all the apathy and problems??
If I wanted to live in a country torn by war I'd move to Iraq.
If I wanted to be surrounded by illegal mexicans I'd move to mexico.
I'm tired of people ruining MY country and there's nothing I can do about it.
anyone else angry about the state of this country?? Are Matt Murphy and I the only ones??
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 29, 2007 10:23:06 GMT -5
If so, then why aren't we doing anything to protect it? War, illegals, crooked politicians, debt, etc.... what does this country do right and is it worth putting up with all the apathy and problems?? If I wanted to live in a country torn by war I'd move to Iraq. If I wanted to be surrounded by illegal mexicans I'd move to mexico. I'm tired of people ruining MY country and there's nothing I can do about it. anyone else angry about the state of this country?? Are Matt Murphy and I the only ones?? notice my name.... yes I am upset with some of the things that are going on but most are brought on by dems who think that Americans is too stupid to figure it out by themselves. That is what Matt is upset about "Nanny Government" We can do something its called voting....
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Post by killer on Jan 29, 2007 13:01:49 GMT -5
Yes, v, I am angry about the state of this country.
lovin', the democrats didn't get us here alone. The republicans are every bit as much to blame. Our political system is a wreck and needs an overhaul. It's lame to tell people "for change, go vote." We are going to have to do alot more than sit on our asses all year and then go vote on election day -- if we are to repair our broken system.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Jan 29, 2007 20:49:55 GMT -5
Friends...friends....
"Let not your hearts be troubled"
Barak Obama will lead us all into the Promised Land in 2008!
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Post by killer on Jan 29, 2007 21:18:52 GMT -5
womi,
Take that violin of yours and slam it against a tree... or give it away... something.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 29, 2007 21:52:58 GMT -5
womi, Take that violin of yours and slam it against a tree... or give it away... something. LOL LOL.....Wow, you nailed it!!! Violin, I thought it was a stinking loud-speaker!-----Beautifully said!!!! How freaking lame. You two can't tie womi's shoes without getting a headache.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 29, 2007 22:12:25 GMT -5
How freaking lame. You two can't tie womi's shoes without getting a headache. But we know the TRUTH, Bozo! When are you actually going to get around to posting it? Are you afraid that you will have an aneurysm if you muster up enough thought to form a paragraph on your own?
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Post by phinehas on Jan 29, 2007 22:22:44 GMT -5
When are you actually going to get around to posting it? Are you afraid that you will have an aneurysm if you muster up enough thought to form a paragraph on your own? I can say MORE in two words than you can in a thousand! YOU fail to see.....it's about Quality,.......NOT quantity! On your own, more than two words strung together is an accomplishment. Your quality consists of copying and pasting what other people write, which is their quality. You are lacking on that as well.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 29, 2007 22:27:34 GMT -5
Back to the subject...
v,
"If I wanted to live in a country torn by war I'd move to Iraq." - Is there a civil war going on I don't know about?
"If I wanted to be surrounded by illegal mexicans I'd move to mexico." - that would be the least of your problems there...you will pack up quicklky and move back to the U.S.A. LOL.
"I'm tired of people ruining MY country and there's nothing I can do about it." - What is it that you are not doing that everyone else is?
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Post by phinehas on Jan 29, 2007 22:30:05 GMT -5
You KNOW....and I know....who is by farrrrr the best here! You lost a looooonnng time ago......LOL! You have to resort to stretching out your words with extra letttttters. LOL What are you the best at? That's right, copying and pasting. I challenge you to write a post of your own that has more than three (distinct) sentences and is coherent. Smiley faces don't count. P.S. I believe you're on strike 2 there Michael Jordan, so you are the best at getting janked. LOL.
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 30, 2007 11:24:49 GMT -5
Hey V, please explain to me why voting is lame??? I may seem like a lame person to you for voting Every time there is an election. That is not all I do as an American citizen. I also wright post here and in other forums I call and send letters to my senators and congressmen. I even occasionally call talk shows and voice my opinion. I exercise my rights. I admit my little addition to society may not mean much in the grand scheme of things but... if more of us would do the same we could make a difference. I had a wonderful history teacher in high school, Mr Dennis Hastard, who instilled in me a great respect and understanding of our government and the Constitution. Even though that was many years ago I still believe it and our country. Yes, we have problems here in the USA but I would not trade living here for anything. I will fight for my country and our [glow=blue,2,300]Christian[/glow] ideals any day.
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Post by MOTOR on Jan 30, 2007 16:07:19 GMT -5
Posted by: lovinusa yes I am upset with some of the things that are going on but most are brought on by dems who think that Americans is too stupid to figure it out by themselves. Republicans had: ~12+ years total control of congress ~6+ years total control of government(exec/legis/judic) Yet the dems have all the power according to lovin... Oy Vey! I never cease to be amazed at how the *minority* party managed to control everything for all this time. If that be the case, perhaps we should never vote Republican because if they have absolutely zero impact as a majority, they are about as useful as a wet noodle. Imagine all that the Democrats, by your logic, could accomplish with the opportunities that the Republicans have had all this time. What you are saying, and it isn't you alone mind you ... many conservatives are hung up on this bad = dem, all good floweth from Repubs logic, is true then basically if I had a room of ten people and only 4 were on my side, we could decide everything that the room voted for. So minority rules in senate and congress now? (rhetorical) I guess they count the votes in Congress, whoever has the least votes win, THEN they pass it to senate and repeat the least vote count procedure. Then if the president absolutely hates it, he signs it in, but if he loves it, he vetos it. Or maybe it is all the Democratic media that controls everyone. That is an argument with little to no merit. One can argue it either way (too conservative or too liberal) and win, due to the faux-research on both sides of the isle in this matter. From what little I know about the news industry, their goal is to sell slots to advertisers. So they put out their whatever they think will sell. It is the reason for FOX and CNN being so polar opposite. They cater to differing audiences which draws in ad revenue. So if you see a story that you disagree or agree with strongly, it is aimed at you because in just keeping you glued to the article they can slip you an ad. If you are one way or the other strongly, you will most likely be the target audience. The rest of the middle roaders might occasionally flip to one or the other, and might actually stay. But it is the polar political audience they are targeting. Other news selling methods are to appeal to a wide audience via polled opinion. If a news outlet finds that a majority of people are feeling or moving sociologically in a certain direction, they will try to capture that audience by putting up those types of headlines. If you want information that is non-biased and just the facts, you are almost out of luck. The best study I found said that no such news exists and that it is pretty even on both sides. It probably just appears biased to you because it is not of your liking. If you flip to FOX I am sure you will get the republican-fix you desire. Well this post is way longer than I had hoped so if you are an impatient reader like me, you'll probably skip most of this. Anyways that is my 2 cents.
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Post by Cletus the slack jawed yokel on Jan 30, 2007 20:03:17 GMT -5
Hay Buddy we don't like any body but Fox and Rush down here in the hart of dixie cause they are the only ones who dont lie! KKK too cause they will break them sissy boy little commie Dems in half! The Dums got a plan to give the army to the un. and take away you're guns. There all against us real AMERICANS and would kill your babys lickety split if you dont kept em down. Republicans get you jobs and more money cause they dont tax the little poeple and every body gets better off. you dont knoww mush!!!
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Post by W.O.M.I on Jan 30, 2007 21:53:27 GMT -5
Obviously some people don't get sarcasm.
The fact that a political lightweight like Barak Obama is being seriously touted as a Presidential candidate should be an indication of just how incredibly superficial the electorate has become.
Can anyone point to a SINGLE legislative initiative Obama has sponsored/advocated/read/heard of since he became a US Senator?
Does anyone know his position on ANY issue, save the standard Democrat Party position of "I Hate George W. Bush"?
Does anyone know his voting record, going back to his days as a legislator in Illinois?
If you're truthful with yourself- and one would hope that you are- you'll have to admit that Barak Obama is a contender only because he is a fresh, exotic face, has an unconventional background, is very telegenic and is well-spoken (along with the bitter realization of Democrats that Hillary is unelectable in a national election).
Yet he is being considered by some to be the 'savior' (litte "s") of the United States. How shallow have we become?
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 31, 2007 9:03:30 GMT -5
I never said they (the dems) had control. I do watch Fox News I also watch local news look at news websites listen to the radio and then after I get all my information I make an informed decision. As an example when i see an important issue happening I will admit I watch Fox first, but being the curious creature that I am I will also go to CNN, the alphabet networks and on-line newspapers to get the whole spectrum. You know what I find out? No-one is perfect but as a whole Fox will tell you the whole story not just the part that they want you to hear. Yes they are a conservative station. Is that wrong? The liberal side has a multitude of avenues and conservative only have a few. I appreciate the fact that they have shows like Hannity and Colmes that do tell both sides, and even though I hate to admit it I sometimes agree with Colmes. (especially last night with the fairness act guy, who by the way was a dem) The point is that I do not rely on one persons view on any issue. I have one voice. I make my own decisions. I do not need any political organization Republican or Democrat making my decisions for me. If I make a mistake it's on me. That is the way it should be. I will continue to voice my opinion til the political correctness police come and take me away
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Post by v on Feb 1, 2007 9:31:21 GMT -5
lovinusa, In the past 3 elections I've voted Democratic...before that I always voted republican.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, but the democrats have it right currently...so I need to vote democratic right?
Well, living in alabama it's futile to vote democratic. If I somehow convinced everyone I know to not vote republican and vote democrat that would consist of about a 400 vote swing...in a state where democrats lost by upwards of 100K votes.
Futile....our electoral system is broken and flawed. If it worked properly Gore would've been president. Popular vote means EVERYONE gets a vote that counts. Electoral college steals my vote.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Feb 1, 2007 19:39:44 GMT -5
v-
You've got it all wrong.
The Electoral College is what gives you any voice at all.
If the President was elected on the basis of the popular vote, candidates would spend all their time and money in only a bare handful of states: California, New York, Texas, Illinois, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey and Georgia.
According to the 2000 census, the US had 281 million people; those ten states have approximately 152 million.
Of those ten, seven are reliably Blue (Democrat) states, while 3 are Red (Republican).
If you feel that you, as a Democrat voter, are casting essentially meaningless ballots here in Alabama, your idea of having the President popularly elected would ensure that voters in 40 of the 50 states are effectively disenfranchised.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 1, 2007 20:22:17 GMT -5
womi,
That is the best and most concise explanations for the validity of the electoral college and the reason why the popular vote should not be the determining factor in presidential elections that I have ever read.
Good job and thanks for spending the time to apply the "i" in womi.
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Post by Twista on Feb 2, 2007 3:11:58 GMT -5
re: WOMI "If you feel that you, as a Democrat voter, are casting essentially meaningless ballots here in Alabama, your idea of having the President popularly elected would ensure that voters in 40 of the 50 states are effectively disenfranchised." That sounds like the idea of one person, one vote, but not really...
I guess it would only sound bad to you if you feel that by having the electorate split in to small geographic groups so that some people's votes are not factored at all, is a good thing... Could it be that the "red" and "blue" thing is what makes it sound like having a less than representative election be a good thing? (And I think Phinehas might be getting ready to ask you for a date... LOL!)
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Post by W.O.M.I on Feb 2, 2007 20:07:48 GMT -5
All liberals are not created equal.
By that I mean an Alabama liberal and a California liberal are not the same animals. There are degrees of liberalism just as there are degrees of conservatism. That being the case, I'd think that the vast majority of Alabamians, including all but the most radical liberals, wouldn't want California deciding matters of national interest for Alabama any more than a California conservative (should be on the Endangered Species list) would want an Alabama conservative deciding national interests in their name.
It's tough enough getting national candidates to come here anyway so that one can, if they wish, listen to the words straight from the candidates themselves rather than through a third-party or the internet. If you remake the system so that only ten states truly matter, you reduce that already small chance to zero.
I don't think this is a Red vs. Blue issue at all. I just think that effectively disenfranchising 80% of the United States- and there are many small overwhelmingly Blue states that would be just as excluded as Red Alabama- is manifestly not in our collective national interest.
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