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Post by phinehas on Jan 12, 2007 22:21:05 GMT -5
speaking of people that didn't put squat into it compared to what they got out of it...the first monthly recipient is a good example...there were hundreds of thousands just like her...then there were millions not quite as big of an inbalance but you get the point.
"Ida May Fuller worked for three years under the Social Security program. The accumulated taxes on her salary during those three years was a total of $24.75. Her initial monthly check was $22.54. During her lifetime she collected a total of $22,888.92 in Social Security benefits."
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Jan 12, 2007 22:35:58 GMT -5
IF the money i paid into the system was instead just put in a bank by me and drawing interest, i would have a huge nest egg that the interest from alone would pay far MORE than the SS check i am entitled to. But your money was not put into a bank. It was invested into the "system" where the "punks" do have a say of how it is spent. Your offense to being told to go away and die is quite understandable but such is the pyramid scheme upon which you banked your retirement. You are "entitled" to feel stupid for such an unwise investment.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 12, 2007 23:00:54 GMT -5
besides.... "Social Security benefits are not an "entitlement," as they're often called. In fact, the Supreme Court ruled in 1960 that none of us have a legal right to a Social Security benefit. Unlike our private bank accounts, we do not own a dime of the money we pay into Social Security. Instead, Congress decides if, and when, and how much we might get back from the system." www.fullemployment.org/Prob_Solut.htm"The Supreme Court decided, in Flemming v. Nestor (1960), that "entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right".
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Post by billt on Jan 12, 2007 23:32:38 GMT -5
i rarely take the pain meds and could afford to pay for them if forced to. as to filming at random.....if someone catches me SMILING when one of the grandkids says something funny is that "evidence" that I am not disabled? what about facing the pain involved and WALKING for exercise does that mean my PROVEN physical injuries have disappeared? ? if "looks" (what would be seen in these random filmings) at what matters then I agree i am not diabled, because i am handsome, stand 6 ft 4 and 235 lbs, and my back injuries are NOT visable to the naked eye, I am capable of walking even though it causes excruiating pain, i can sit up again causing very bad pain. now that i have posted the truth there are those that will claim "pain" is a BS reason and easily faked....i agree it can be, that is why REAL MEDICAL examinations are given trying to prove the person is faking, that is why almost ALL claims are denied when submitted and must be appealed. the is no test to determine a given person's level of "pain" each person is unique and responds differently....in my case pain specialist, neural surgeons, psychologists, and physical therapists have done extensive examinations and all agree i should be in a wheelchair at best and for proper pain management should take daily doses of meds that would make me useless and bedridden. i chose to do as much as i can, face the pain daily, exercise, retain as much of my abilities as i can, and participate in life, i worked for 30 years AFTER my initial injuries, until the pain became to great when i had to stop taking aleve(a miracle pain pill but will tear your insides apart if you take heavy doses daily for 25 years), and my condition had worsened greatly. yes, film me anytime you desire and yes use the things I do to FALSELY claim i dont deserve what i paid for and earned because i am faking. this brings me to why i called a couple of people "out"...the reason is obviously i am too old and injured to threahten violence and that is illegal the POINT is to those makinhg these false claims about me and wishing i would "die", i wanted to bring humanity into your life, look the person you speak so ill of IN THE EYE, see that real human beings post things on the internet, understand the people you post to are real. these characterizations made against me by dixie pixie are false the paranoid claim is pure BS i have said 2 people have an ongoing problem with me, i have identified both dp and corny, have demonstrated where they start this foolishness with me here on this very forum and dont think anyone is "out to get me". i properly assert those 2 have a problem with me and they clearly DO!
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Post by phinehas on Jan 13, 2007 0:05:19 GMT -5
billt - I have already debunked your statements. The posts are here to see on this forum where YOU started to call people PUNKS and LIARS...Brandon nor I told you to die and your inital reaction stating that and calling us names and besmirging our character was uncalled for.
We have a right to our opinions about medicaid, social security and how it relates to longevity and the absence of kids taking care of parents in their older years in society. Everyone on this forum has the right to their opinion.
Stop harrasing Brandon, dixiepixie and myself on this forum with your continuance of posts keeping a fight going where there was none. You started it, we finished it, it's over.
or you can continue to look like an old, bitter fool with anger management issues.
Your choice.
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Post by billt on Jan 13, 2007 1:54:45 GMT -5
corny i call you a liar because you show an INTENT to deceive in your posts here is a perfect example.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 13, 2007 2:19:01 GMT -5
billt - It doesn't matter what I post, you will always be able to "find" some reason to claim I am lying or deceiving.
You are now proclaiming that you now know my intent as well.
The example I gave was a good example of somebody that didn't put squat into it and reaped a large benefit. The post was just an example, nothing more, nothing sinister behind it. I am sure everyone read the post and other than you, wasn't "deceived" into thinking she was a recent recipient. Why? Because they read posts billt...they actually read what people say versus what they want them to say, they are not out to hunt for lies or spelling and grammar mistakes....I said "the first monthly recipient". Now I know this won't matter....you will still have a problem with anything I post, it's a given and it is now established on this forum. You have told everyone that you are going to expose me....and no matter what, that will be your objective.
I will continue posting my opinions and discussing in a civil manner with other people and you can continue to do whatever you think your doing. Have a great weekend.
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 15, 2007 11:04:29 GMT -5
Wow, I was just trying to bring a issue to light, not start a fist fight. Although I am glad to see there are others out there that are concerned for the most prevalent portion of our society today. Years ago when Medicare started it was touted as a government health insurance ( see www.ssa.gov/history/corningchap1.html) "Government health insurance was a proposal requiring such a collective decision, for it was to be an undertaking of the community. A Government agency was to be established to collect insurance premiums from workers and employers in the form of taxes, and to pay out benefits according to a predetermined schedule. Thus, the proposal first had to obtain legislative sanction. And since social welfare matters were in 1912 still considered to be mainly the responsibility of the States, legislation had to be considered separately in each State legislature and, if approved, implemented on the State level."Obviously in the early 1900's there were alot less people to get this "government insurance" as the early 1900's as the state of health care in America was archaic at best and only for the wealthy and affluent of society. In the 1950 that changed (see www.medicarerights.org/maincontenthistory.html)"The 1950 census showed that the aged population had grown from 3 million in 1900 to 12 million in 1950, or from 4 to 8 percent of the U.S. population. Two-thirds of older Americans had incomes of less than $1,000 annually, and only 1 in 8 had health insurance.1 Private insurers had long considered this illness-prone population a "bad risk," and even unions were generally unable to purchase coverage for retirees through employer-sponsored plans. " It is worse today. Health care is better by far and people are living longer and now the first of the "baby boomer's" are now reaching retirement age. Yes, most of us were smart enough to start a retirement fund but how long will that last, really. It has come full circle with health care only for those who were lucky enough to pay for a supplementary insurance plan. Yes, this can be a hard pill to swallow but even though a person is eligible for Medicare does not mean they can go to the DR office unless they have a supplement or pay for part B (which comes out of any retirement money they have coming) Part A is for hospitalization only Part B is for the DR visits Part D (which is useless in my opinion) is for Medications. All of these have limitations. You have a set amount of hospital days, office visits, and certain meds. If you need an extended stay, have to see the doc too many times or need a medicine that is not on the "list" well too bad you better have the cash for it. Don't get me wrong as a conservative thinker I believe the welfare system needs to be overhauled or done away with all together and I know this contradicts with what I think about Medicare. But the money that pays Medicare is something we all put into it not a free gift from the government. I can go on and on but why some of you will never believe me or just think we should only take care of the children and just let the elderly die.
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Post by dixiepixie on Jan 15, 2007 20:00:11 GMT -5
lovinusa, The elderly that have worked their entire lives and paid taxes are entitled to the care the receive. They have paid into the system. They are not using the money they paid in, but the money that WE are currently paying in. I have a problem with the people who get on disability for some crock(for the filter ;D ) & bull reason and expect me and you to support them. My father is on SSI. Nine years ago he had a stroke and is now unable to walk without assistance, and can not use his left side. He began working and paying taxes when he was 15 years old. He supported his family (9 brothers & sisters before he married & a wife and three kids later) when my grandfather developed black lung from the coal mines. He is 65 years old. He was 56 when he became disabled. He had worked and paid taxes for 41 years. I have a problem with these 25 year olds who want a check.
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Post by touchman on Jan 16, 2007 0:33:29 GMT -5
Medicare is used to minimize the required personal responsibility needed to cover personal medical bills. I wonder what those 65 and older think about their grandchildren's hard-earned money being forced into a wasteful government program even if they stand to minimally gain from the program? I can only speak from my own experience when I say that I would gladly give up all that I would reasonably be entitled to through my forced payments if it meant my children would be free from that extortion - I can only imagine how I would feel toward my grandchildren.
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 16, 2007 12:16:41 GMT -5
I have a problem with these 25 year olds who want a check. I totally agree. there are too many people getting a "check" out there including alcoholics, mentally "challenged and illegals who steal ssn's
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