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Post by blondie on Feb 1, 2007 22:19:20 GMT -5
Hank used to have a show on WDJC AM. I know he's a Evangelical Christian in the Jack Chick tradition. www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5003/5003_01.aspOnce he was having a show about the gays. The conversation went to the bible and this: "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) The show aired about the time this happened: www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/billyjack/They say that free speech is fine, but you can't call out "fire" in a crowded theater. But what about rationalizing and justifying this sort of hate crime on the public airwaves? Obviously Hank would never condone violent murder. But you know what I'm getting at. Fortunately there haven't been any of these lynchings for several years.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 1, 2007 22:42:22 GMT -5
Christians are obsessed with homosexuality. If they spent half as much time talking about feeding the poor, helping the sick, housing the homeless, adopting orphans, visiting the imprisoned, the world would be a better place.
But instead, they are consumed with homosexuals' "sin", preventing adults from gambling, and how they are greeted at Target and Walmart at Christmas time. Their version of Christianity is lame and thats why church attendence is down.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 2, 2007 1:22:30 GMT -5
richbrout-
Christians do feed the poor, help the sick, house the homeless, adopt orphans and visit those in prison. The only reason why Christians are vocal about homosexuality is because that is the only thing currently being loudly espoused by the world as being ok. If there were activist groups trying to get murder, rape, stealing, envy, adultery etc. to be acceptable in society then Christians and other people with religious convictions would be vocally opposing it.
As far as church attendance being down, I think it has more to do with church being influenced by the world view to the point it isn't any different then what the world has to offer.
There are various reasons why I go to church and one of them is to get the world out of me, not to get more of it in me.
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Post by blondie on Feb 2, 2007 9:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by lovinusa on Feb 2, 2007 13:13:09 GMT -5
Blondie, why do you hate christians?
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Post by phinehas on Feb 2, 2007 13:49:25 GMT -5
blondie,
I stated..."etc." I gave you a reason why homosexuality seems to be currently opposed in a vocal manner and that's because it's a reaction to an action. A different action would result in a different reaction.
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Post by blondie on Feb 2, 2007 17:20:35 GMT -5
I don't hate Christians. When I was a kid we even had a Christian maid. As far as homosexuality goes most of the homosexuals I've meet have been Christians. I'm sure because of the climate there are probably more non-Christians among gays than in the general population. Homosexuality isn't a Christian issue. It's a debate going on within the Christian community. A lot of people believe that being homophobic goes against Jebus' teachings. I'm an Atheist and have no problem with the gays. Some Atheists do. Atheism isn't a social or political position. It's a supernatural one. To go straight to religion to justify homophobia is lazy. The Bible says a lot of crazy things that most people ignore. It's a crappy book. With or without religion good men will do good and evil men will do evil. But only with religion will good men do evil.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 2, 2007 17:31:20 GMT -5
Homophobia? Christians and others are not scared of homosexuals. If they kept their private matters to themselves without trying to convince those that think it is wrong and abnormal that it is right and normal there woudn't be as much of a fuss. The collision of ideolgy comes with the fact that the homosexuals can not tolerate others thinking homosexuality is wrong. It's the homosexuals pushing an agenda for acceptance.....something that they can not get without force.
Outside of the religious argument, homosexuality makes no biological sense as being a normal orientation. By this view alone it would be considered a genetic defect, if one believes it not to be an environemental condition.
From a stricktly environmental condition it makes no logical sense for society.
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Feb 2, 2007 17:49:27 GMT -5
From a stricktly environmental condition it [homosexuality] makes no logical sense for society. Unless of course you suscribe to the theories of Malthus. Nevertheless, I also think it a deviation.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 2, 2007 17:55:25 GMT -5
From a stricktly environmental condition it [homosexuality] makes no logical sense for society. Unless of course you suscribe to the theories of Malthus. Nevertheless, I also think it a deviation. AIDS would seem more of a logical result versus people developing a 180 degree sexuality perspective contrary to their biological status. Scratch that, didn't see the pestilence part of the equation. His model appears to have been proven wrong. I would think that the continued population growth in Africa would also prove it to be a false model. I don't know what else, short of dropping nukes, would stop the population increases on that continent. Nothing seems to have any lasting affect. The full affect of AIDS is not know yet though.
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Post by blondie on Feb 2, 2007 23:08:50 GMT -5
From a stricktly environmental condition it [homosexuality] makes no logical sense for society. Unless of course you suscribe to the theories of Malthus. Nevertheless, I also think it a deviation. Thanks for the introduction to Malthus. I didn't know about him. Very interesting. My opinion is that the government has no business getting into the sexual behavior of consenting adults. The obvious question is how can you possibly care about the sexuality of total strangers? Guys like Ted Haggard, Hank Erwin and Roy Moore are obviously gay. What sort of weirdo wants to get all up in your face about your sex life? Especially your gay sex life. It's a classic pattern. I swear to the gods I don't believe in that once, on the radio, when Hank was on some diatribe about the gays, he pretty much came right out and said that the temptation of gay love was so overwhelmingly tempting that only the magic of Jebus could protect you from its power.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 2, 2007 23:33:12 GMT -5
blondie -
Explain how the government has restricted consenting adults from having gay sex in the privacy of their own homes?
Explain how anyone has requested that the government prevent consenting adults from having gay sex in the privacy of their own homes?
Explain how Hank Erwin's opinion on homosexuality and how it can be countered by those that want to do so is preventing consenting adults from having gay sex in the privacy of their own homes?
Explain how you think it is more logical for Ted Haggard, Hank Erwin or Roy Moore to be gay, in not accepting it, versus you, who has done nothing but defend it?
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Feb 2, 2007 23:38:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the introduction to Malthus. I didn't know about him. Very interesting. Err... Um... You're welcome, I think...You haven't started making a doomsday machine have you? My opinion is that the government has no business getting into the sexual behavior of consenting adults. I agree.
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Post by solinvictus on Feb 3, 2007 0:01:04 GMT -5
Unless of course you suscribe to the theories of Malthus. Nevertheless, I also think it a deviation. The obvious question is how can you possibly care about the sexuality of total strangers? Guys like Ted Haggard, Hank Erwin and Roy Moore are obviously gay. I swear to the gods I don't believe in that once, on the radio, when Hank was on some diatribe about the gays, he pretty much came right out and said that the temptation of gay love was so overwhelmingly tempting that only the magic of Jebus could protect you from its power. Someone should ask Hank if he's gay for Jesus. That'd put him off on a tizzy tangent. I mean, they have these crucified statues of him all sweaty, naked, and bloody on a cross.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 3, 2007 0:14:19 GMT -5
I think the sweat, blood and loss of clothes was due to being beaten by a group of Roman soldiers, then forced to drag a heavy and cubersome piece of wood to the point of collapse and then being crucified and stabbed with a spear....oh and why did he go through this whole ordeal? It's called love. He loves those that taken him for granted, such as myself and he loves those that make jokes about what he went through. Hopefully that doesn't put you in a tizzy.
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Post by solinvictus on Feb 3, 2007 23:17:28 GMT -5
I think the sweat, blood and loss of clothes was due to being beaten by a group of Roman soldiers, then forced to drag a heavy and cubersome piece of wood to the point of collapse and then being crucified and stabbed with a spear....oh and why did he go through this whole ordeal? It's called love. He loves those that taken him for granted, such as myself and he loves those that make jokes about what he went through. Hopefully that doesn't put you in a tizzy. Oh, get over it! If I were Pontius Pilate, I'd have crucified the Jews screaming for his blood, set Jesus free, and left him to be an intinerant preacher/rabbi for the remainder of his life. Then, if the Jews raised as much as a squawk, the razing of Jerusalem would've happened fifty years ahead of plan. My point is this: I agree with blondie in that these guys think WAY TOO much about homosexuality as an issue; particularly Hank Erwin. What would happen if science definitively proved that homosexuality was bio-chemical in origin?
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Post by phinehas on Feb 3, 2007 23:35:55 GMT -5
Sol,
Setting aside your joke for a minute, why would you crucify the Jews that called for the death of Jesus?
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Feb 4, 2007 0:52:25 GMT -5
What would happen if science definitively proved that homosexuality was bio-chemical in origin? Christians that already believe that sin is of the flesh should not be much surprised.
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Post by solinvictus on Feb 4, 2007 12:18:06 GMT -5
Sol, Setting aside your joke for a minute, why would you crucify the Jews that called for the death of Jesus? Because they dared to question my judgement as the Roman authority of Judea, that's why. Further, in all fairness to the Hebrews, Jesus was an unrepentant blasphemer and heretic in their eyes.
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Post by solinvictus on Feb 4, 2007 12:18:57 GMT -5
What would happen if science definitively proved that homosexuality was bio-chemical in origin? Christians that already believe that sin is of the flesh should not be much surprised. So God created us to be sinful? Isn't that a defect in manufacturing rather than an issue with the end user of the product?
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Post by phinehas on Feb 4, 2007 15:06:14 GMT -5
Sol, Setting aside your joke for a minute, why would you crucify the Jews that called for the death of Jesus? Because they dared to question my judgement as the Roman authority of Judea, that's why. Further, in all fairness to the Hebrews, Jesus was an unrepentant blasphemer and heretic in their eyes. You think that is an ethical position to have?
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Post by Kat on Feb 4, 2007 18:03:56 GMT -5
Sol, Setting aside your joke for a minute, why would you crucify the Jews that called for the death of Jesus? Because they dared to question my judgement as the Roman authority of Judea, that's why. Further, in all fairness to the Hebrews, Jesus was an unrepentant blasphemer and heretic in their eyes. Actually, it was the Pharisees that thought Jesus was a heretic. Not necessarily the entire Hebrew nation at the time.
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 5, 2007 17:20:55 GMT -5
Unless of course you suscribe to the theories of Malthus. Nevertheless, I also think it a deviation. Thanks for the introduction to Malthus. I didn't know about him. Very interesting. My opinion is that the government has no business getting into the sexual behavior of consenting adults. The obvious question is how can you possibly care about the sexuality of total strangers? Guys like Ted Haggard, Hank Erwin and Roy Moore are obviously gay. What sort of weirdo wants to get all up in your face about your sex life? Especially your gay sex life. It's a classic pattern. I swear to the gods I don't believe in that once, on the radio, when Hank was on some diatribe about the gays, he pretty much came right out and said that the temptation of gay love was so overwhelmingly tempting that only the magic of Jebus could protect you from its power. You are now my favorite message board member.
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Post by MaccusGermanis on Feb 5, 2007 18:22:31 GMT -5
Christians that already believe that sin is of the flesh should not be much surprised. So God created us to be sinful? Isn't that a defect in manufacturing rather than an issue with the end user of the product? And that defect would be? Homosexuality itself? Or the ability to choose? Christian tradtion does not hold that we were created to be sinful but rather that we are free to choose between virtue and sin. Sinful urges themselves coming from "the flesh." The sins of ,the more traditional fornication, and homosexuality coming from a similar but divergent lust. Humans that would be free of all sin would be humans without will. I think will is a requisite part of being. "Cogito ergo sum"
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Post by hsbanddir on Feb 6, 2007 14:54:29 GMT -5
Off topic a little...I'm just enjoying the title of this thread "Hank Erwin and the Gay"---you know, because there's only one of em'!
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Post by blondie on Feb 6, 2007 15:49:29 GMT -5
Off topic a little...I'm just enjoying the title of this thread "Hank Erwin and the Gay"---you know, because there's only one of em'! The gay. He's gots the gay. Be careful or you might gets it too.
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 6, 2007 16:22:31 GMT -5
Oh NOES!11!1 Teh GAY!!1!1!!1!
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Post by Dale Jackson on Feb 6, 2007 18:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by solinvictus on Feb 6, 2007 20:19:06 GMT -5
Hank Erwin still sucks.
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Post by yojoe on Feb 8, 2007 21:47:39 GMT -5
To go straight to religion to justify homophobia is lazy. The Bible says a lot of crazy things that most people ignore. It's a crappy book. I hope you know the Book of Isaiah is considered the masterpiece of ancient Jewish writings. Even if taken literally and not spiritually it is a very beautiful book. Taken Spiritually, it is a super-natural book. how about this. there are 66 books in the Bible. 66 Chapters in Isaiah. There are 39 Old Testament books (pre Jesus/Yoshua) and 27 New Testament Books (after Christ) the first 39 books of the bible talk of the law, and judgment to one if they break the law. The last 27 books of the Bible talk of Christ and Gods grace extended to man. The first 39 chapters of Isaiah talk of the coming judgment on Israel (which came to pass when Babylon, Assyria, them ultimately Rome invaded Palestine/Israel) the second 27 books of Isaiah promise of a messiah, of a savior to redeem them. Chapter 40 of Isaiah is when Isaiah makes very clear there is to be a Messiah first for the Jews and then to the Gentiles... none the less Isaiah is a very awesome text. Much more fluid/flowing text reading than any other old testament book. and almost as pleasing to read as the books of Psalms.
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