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Post by jules on Jan 19, 2007 16:07:28 GMT -5
It did not surprise me that the first time I posted this thread it shortly disappeared without a trace. But Dale say that he and Chris don't care SOOOOOO....
What the HECK is up with the shiftiness displayed by the other hosts when someone brings up Russ and Dee? It's freaking me out. Like someone has gotten to them.
What REALLY happened to Russ and Dee, and why do the other hosts feel so threatened when the subject comes up?
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Post by brandon on Jan 19, 2007 16:23:22 GMT -5
Matt has stated several times that he doesn't want to allow airtime to discuss the issue out of respect for his friends Russ and Dee. If Matt allows people to come on and say good things about R&D then he has to also allow the naysayers have their say else people will accuse him of not being fair. That being the case, he doesn't want the discussion turning into a flamefest against R&D.
I don't know about the Attack dudes. I suppose they don't feel that it's proper to discuss the fate of their predecessors. Maybe they'll tell us.
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Post by Kat on Jan 19, 2007 17:06:34 GMT -5
What "shiftiness" are you talking about? Haven't you ever worked at a job where someone got fired? The other co-workers talk about the fired person in hushed whispers.
Besides, why on earth would anyone want to talk about Russ & Dee? They're gone, get over it.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Jan 19, 2007 17:48:13 GMT -5
Before I start, the deletion was a mistake, there will be very little moderation of this board. I will not say never but there will be very little. When it is done it will not be content based, rather it will be nuisance based. Now, gather round my friends and I will tell you a tale. A tale about radio, a tale that makes no sense, much like those in the business, a tale that few will believe but which is true nonetheless. Radio is a world of branding, THE SOURCE, ATTACK MACHINE, BURT AND KURT, LEE DAVIS, MATT MURPHY all these words are very important in the mind of the listeners. They are repeated to remind you where you are "The Source" and who you are listening to, "Attack Machine." You already know, I already know and so does everyone else, but it is about branding as is Coke and Pepsi, so it is crammed down your throat the same way the others are. When people move on from one market to another, as Chris and I did from Panama City, the station immediately tries to erase all mention from their website and on-air. Me and Chris said goodbye to the listeners and at the same time we knew come 9AM that day we would no longer exist in the eyes of the station. Now the listeners do not like this, they had us for 1 and 1/2+ years and wonder why the instant removal. The answer is BRANDING. Look at our old station's site www.talkradio101.com, we were immediately removed, as we should have been, from this. Now the morons there decided to try to use (steal-my opinion) the "Attack Machine" brand and call the show "The Attack Machine 2.0" it cost them dearly as it reminded them we were no longer there. Callers called in and commented and it took them three days to change the name. This was Radio 101 and they failed. Why this happened is a tale for another time. Point was this was an amicable, or as amicable as It can be, breakup and they still pretended we did not exist, in a weird way. The right way was to pretend we never existed. Russ and Dee, whom I do not know, nor have I ever listened to their program were by all reports fired (al.com). There are millions of reasons as to why this could have happened (example: ratings, revenue, attitude, change of direction, conspiracy... I do not know) This has never been explained to me nor do I care. Usually what ever the real reason is will be denied by the host and replaced with a "screw job" scenario. Do not know if that happened here but I have seen it before. The issue here is why are they never mentioned. The answer BRANDING. Every mention reminds you that they are not there. Those who did not like them, do not care, those who did will remember them. This is detrimental to the business. And after all this is the business. Now what happens when you break this very simple rule... SORRY THE HYPERLINKS ARE NOT WORKING - COPY AND PAST TO SEE THE LINKS.www.talkradio101.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1476.0.html www.talkradio101.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1464.0.html www.talkradio101.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1481.0.html These are a few examples. This forum is much more alive than that one but you get the jist. Any questions.
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Post by Chris Hobbs on Jan 19, 2007 18:05:42 GMT -5
I'll take it down a different path.
We were brought here to do a job. Do the job that we did successfully in other areas. That job being discussing the issues of the day and talking to callers about those same issues. Matt, Burt, Kurt, and Lee all have the same job. That job does not include bringing up old hosts. Chances are, where ever you work, there was someone there before you. Has anyone asked you why each day you do not stand around the water cooler and discuss the circumstances of that person's dismissal? Of course not. You are there to do a job.
And so are we.
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Post by jules on Jan 19, 2007 19:06:00 GMT -5
Kat -- I don't have to get over it. I was never under it. I don't care about Russ or Dee one way or the other. It just disturbs me that I can hear what sounds like fear in Lee Davis and Matt Murphy when somebody calls in about it. Chris -- Yes, sometimes we do discuss my predecessor. She had problems and everyone knew it. When people, from time to time, ask how she's doing, I'll reply politely, "she's fine."
Even if a caller has a question that has nothing to do with Russ or Dee -- they just use them as a reference -- there is a very hasty bite back about no other shows will be mentioned (although I have heard Matt talk about Preacher and the Doc.) They couldn't even be talked about on Matt's forum.
Maybe it does have something to do with branding, but there just seems a little more to it to me.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Jan 19, 2007 19:08:25 GMT -5
Maybe it does have something to do with branding, but there just seems a little more to it to me. Well, I told you what I know, read what you wish into it. I would love to hear your theory.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 19, 2007 20:06:58 GMT -5
The following observations:
After the incident, Matt Murphy suddenly became more interactive on his forum. He went from one post every 6 months to about 4 or 5 a week then back to nothing again.
Once the Attack Machine came on the scene with their heavy metal intros, etc. Matt jazzed up his show's music.
Other than that, I didn't notice anything different after Russ and Dee left as far as the remaining personalities are concerned.
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Post by firestud2829 on Jan 20, 2007 0:13:23 GMT -5
Russ and Dee are old news. Who cares what happened to them? They were rude and they were stuck on a few issues. One can only take so much Israel this and Illegals that before they turn the dial.
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Post by jules on Jan 20, 2007 16:00:51 GMT -5
I don't really have a theory. Obviously no one thinks that anyone's reaction to the subject is strange besides myself.
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Post by jonathant on Jan 24, 2007 13:27:27 GMT -5
I saw fear, but I think it stems mainly from the other hosts' desires to not get fired. Had someone let an opinion slip, it might have very well cost that person his job. That's not a chance that I would be willing to take, even if it meant less listeners.
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Post by bobegglan on Jan 24, 2007 17:23:57 GMT -5
It's a shame that I don't get to hear the very sexy Dee Fine anymore. Anybody think Russ would let me break off a lil piece of that?
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Post by killer on Jan 24, 2007 17:58:32 GMT -5
He might slide the whole thing over to you.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 24, 2007 18:13:25 GMT -5
The human body is made up of 98% water...there are some that are made up of 98% makeup.
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Post by jonathant on Jan 24, 2007 18:26:19 GMT -5
I have heard reports that the other 2% is typically air contained within the skull.
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Post by bobegglan on Jan 24, 2007 18:30:04 GMT -5
Makeup or not...that is one spicy piece of meat
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Post by killer on Jan 24, 2007 18:35:21 GMT -5
hey bob, here's something you might like www.attackmachine.proboard.comI accidentally went there as I was looking for this forum. But that site looks like something you would enjoy.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Jan 24, 2007 18:53:43 GMT -5
alright, let's try to keep this on track and not get into this appearance nonsense.
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Post by bobegglan on Jan 24, 2007 19:27:29 GMT -5
Nice, but it's no Dee Fine.
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Post by meatman on Jan 24, 2007 22:29:24 GMT -5
Personally, I was sick of R&D. I'm glad they're gone. I really enjoyed Lee Davis while he was on in the morning, but I decided to give "The Attack Machine" a chance, and I am starting to like it.
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Post by jonathant on Jan 26, 2007 10:36:48 GMT -5
I feel like Burt and Kurt don't get enough credit. I don't like listening to AM radio because of the poor sound quality, but just hearing Bob Burton and his still-in-the-70s voice makes it all worth it. They inject a little humor into the normally angry conversations on The Source.
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Post by v on Jan 29, 2007 8:54:19 GMT -5
Russ and Dee were my favorites for a long time.
Maybe the reason they're gone now is because "crawford" is obnoxiously christian and Russ and Dee were very vocal jews.
It's a shame they were forced to leave the station.....doesn't seem like Don is doing the "christian thing" in supporting his jewish brethren.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 1, 2007 22:46:51 GMT -5
Russ and Dee were too bent on their version of reality and too often short with dissenters, which makes for boring radio. How many days in a row can you rail on illegals and it still be entertaining,the answer?, some amount less than they did on the Russ and Dee show. Good riddance!!!
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Post by outcast on Feb 20, 2007 21:13:05 GMT -5
hey bob, here's something you might like www.attackmachine.proboard.comI accidentally went there as I was looking for this forum. But that site looks like something you would enjoy. LMAO I went to that also the first time, and thought OMG this attack machine bunch got it going on lol, Ok with that R&D was very entertaining back in the day, with that said at the end like so many more as typed, illegals was all they talked about, I began changing the channel to the oldies radio , But I think what happen and even seen a post that Russ made (I will see if i can find it) it was all about the masons and Riley, remember what Russ was saying about the Governor and the masons, He had no real proof and so they canned him,, I'm not saying this is what happen , I'm just saying i seen Russ talking about this, on another forum
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Post by deovindice on Feb 25, 2007 9:40:40 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I enjoyed Russ and Dee immensely. I thought it was the better part of the broadcast day.
I do believe there is something sinister underlying their being fired so quickly. There is simply the right way to do things, and the way in which they were ushered out the door was wrong. Remember, shortly after they were let go, Burt and Kurt were to be moved, and they were given notice of it. Russ and Dee received no such notice.
I spoke with them the other day. Crawford is enforcing a 6-month "no compete" clause in their contract. They do, however, have contact with other stations and may well be back on the air very soon.
Personally, I hope they come back and mop the floor with Crawford.
I'd like to hear about that in a "Crawford Stand" moment.
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Post by blondie on Feb 25, 2007 10:43:32 GMT -5
I spoke with them the other day. Crawford is enforcing a 6-month "no compete" clause in their contract. They do, however, have contact with other stations and may well be back on the air very soon. Say it ain't so Joe. Say it ain't so.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 25, 2007 11:17:57 GMT -5
Yes...There isn't enough talk on Birmingham radio about the "illegal alien invasion" and the "North American Union".
BORING RADIO......Same two or three topics EVERYDAY. Its no wonder they were dropped. Dee has a snotty attitude as well.
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Post by rugermk1 on Feb 25, 2007 13:30:17 GMT -5
Dee has a snotty attitude as well. Main reason I didn't listen to them.
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Post by solinvictus on Feb 26, 2007 3:15:26 GMT -5
They'll find another station because they were the one program on The Source which brought in consistent, paying advertisers. If you pay attention to The Source's adverts, most of them are PSA's or these generic "HD Radio" spots that go on all day. How many real, tangible advertising $ are coming into the station? Not many; mostly sub-prime mortgage lenders and the occasional advertiser from FAR out of the Birmingham market (Winfield, etc.).
It wouldn't surprise me to hear R&D either on WAPI 1070 or, ironically enough, back on WERC 960. Let's face it; they've been gone from The Source nearly 6 months and this is the second forum with extensive discussion about their fate. Love them or hate them, you're still talking about them which means they're obviously a viable program.
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Post by lawman on Feb 26, 2007 3:25:31 GMT -5
They'll find another station because they were the one program on The Source which brought in consistent, paying advertisers. If you pay attention to The Source's adverts, most of them are PSA's or these generic "HD Radio" spots that go on all day. How many real, tangible advertising $ are coming into the station? Not many; mostly sub-prime mortgage lenders and the occasional advertiser from FAR out of the Birmingham market (Winfield, etc.). It wouldn't surprise me to hear R&D either on WAPI 1070 or, ironically enough, back on WERC 960. Let's face it; they've been gone from The Source nearly 6 months and this is the second forum with extensive discussion about their fate. Love them or hate them, you're still talking about them which means they're obviously a viable program. Can you believe they had to stay off ''Air'' at least 6 months because Crawford them under a ''No Compete'' clause in contract...and yet fired them! They need an Attorney! Good one! 6 months is up around March 22! Wouldn't surprise me if they are 'cookin' on 'Air' by April 1, 07.....or sooner? You're right, sol, THEY 'DRAW' listeners....like or dis-like....and advertisers KNOW THAT!
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