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Post by solomon on Apr 27, 2007 10:25:15 GMT -5
What does this have to do with gays? Solomon, by your words, I would be concerned that you are enforcing law on a equal basis. I would agree with Brandon on this. Rocket launchers and IEDs? These guys were up to no good. I tend to think that people that are gathering arms for non-criminal reasons, would not get caught. I think you know what I mean by that Brandon. Just because someone has a weapon does not mean they are going to use it illegally. That reasoning applies to all weapons. I'm sure there were and are plenty of folks with automatic weapons and explosives that think they are fun and would only use them in self defense. Remember you can still buy/manufacture machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers and ect.... as long as you have a license $$$$$$$$$$$$. If so many Americans can be trusted with machine guns, tanks, grenades, rocket launchers while serving the government over seas why not allow them to have them at home. If this country is ever attacked or invaded it will probably be too late to start mass producing machine guns and other stuff for us to protect ourselves.
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Post by brandon on Apr 27, 2007 10:30:58 GMT -5
Just because someone has a weapon does not mean they are going to use it illegally. That reasoning applies to all weapons. So it would be safe to assume that you're ok with Iran and North Korea developing nuclear weapons? You would also have to be anti-Iraq war for the same reasons, correct?
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Post by solomon on Apr 27, 2007 10:36:08 GMT -5
Just because someone has a weapon does not mean they are going to use it illegally. That reasoning applies to all weapons. So it would be safe to assume that you're ok with Iran and North Korea developing nuclear weapons? You would also have to be anti-Iraq war for the same reasons, correct? Thats right. I believe it is OK for all countries to have WMDs. If they attempt to wrongfully attack us THEN we fight. I'm not a pro UN nation disarmer.
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Post by brandon on Apr 27, 2007 10:52:17 GMT -5
I'm not a pro UN nation disarmer. Ok. Was just curious. I just saw this in the Decatur Daily: Joanne Gunnin, who owns the farmland where the camper is located, said that he expressed hatred for the government and illegal immigrants.
“He told a 16-year-old boy that he had to make up his mind which side he was going to be on, Americans or Mexicans,†Gunnin said.Anyone that hates illegal aliens can't be all that bad I guess.
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Post by brandon on Apr 27, 2007 11:08:00 GMT -5
I have to go to 'Dega and walk around a while. You guys have fun!
Git R Done!!
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Post by fragerella on Apr 27, 2007 11:16:37 GMT -5
Anyone that hates illegal aliens can't be all that bad I guess. Goddamn right...fark the two 9 year olds who might be playing in the woods nearby....collateral damage.
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Post by killer on Apr 27, 2007 11:28:56 GMT -5
I also wonder why these guys are labeled as "violent." What have they done wrong? If they had been collecting firearms, explosives, etc., seems it is their business as long as they are not harming others.
Maybe these guys were fearful of their own government -- as many are -- and collected all this -- just in case they ever needed to defend themselves against the government. Perhaps they expect chaos in the streets one day. From what I have seen and heard about such groups, they only want be able to protect themselves. They never rise up and cause harm.
What bothers me more than what these guys (militia) did is what the government is doing to them. They raided their property and took their possessions (something they have worked and paid for over a long period of time.) Now these guys will go through hell.
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Post by lawman on Apr 27, 2007 11:30:04 GMT -5
I don't understand this response.......are you angry? I'm lost to your meaning about 9 year olds?
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 27, 2007 12:16:37 GMT -5
Guys, These guys had homemade bombs and booby traps set up. This is ok by you? Why, cause they look like this... * How about this... Point I am trying to make this is not about the government taking away their guns, these guys had illegal weaponery. *-I used this photo in a light hearted way
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Post by phinehas on Apr 27, 2007 12:19:41 GMT -5
Two of those guys better hope they don't have to run for cover. They are probably cannon fodder for the group. The big targets, ie. easy are the first to get fired upon. LOL. These are the guys we are pinning are hopes of protection on? I'll take my chances on my own.
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 27, 2007 12:25:33 GMT -5
* Hmmm.....Looks like some people have been staking out McD's.....only to exercise their liberty to do so, of course......
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Post by phinehas on Apr 27, 2007 12:27:38 GMT -5
Frag - help me!
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Post by fragerella on Apr 27, 2007 14:55:20 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by fragerella on Apr 27, 2007 14:55:48 GMT -5
Lawman,
I was referencing Brandon's post #4.....
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Post by lawman on Apr 27, 2007 15:15:40 GMT -5
Lawman, I was referencing Brandon's post #4..... So you were that angry, right?
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Post by phinehas on Apr 27, 2007 15:22:47 GMT -5
Frag- Why won't you help me? I am running out of oxygen.
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 27, 2007 15:23:19 GMT -5
Lawman, I was referencing Brandon's post #4..... So you were that angry, right? I understood it as sarcasm......
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Post by lawman on Apr 27, 2007 15:27:05 GMT -5
So you were that angry, right? I understood it as sarcasm...... Using God's Name like that is far more serious than 'sarcasm!' But very revealing you would think that!
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Post by phinehas on Apr 27, 2007 15:28:31 GMT -5
Frag- pleeease....there are big spiders in here. What was that!......
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Post by billt on Apr 27, 2007 15:28:45 GMT -5
FACT, after reading the 2nd amendment, it is clear something is very WRONG when the government arrests people for being part of a "militia".
what violence did they do? who did they harm? what threats had they made?
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Post by phinehas on Apr 27, 2007 15:33:44 GMT -5
So, if you run across habjeeb with a suitcase bomb....you won't do anything because he hasn't done anything yet? There needs to be common sense used and these guys having rocket launchers, grenades and I.E.D.s is a problem.
If these guys were investigated by the ATF and nothing was done, 2 months later these guys go into the Capitol building blowing up kindergarten kids on a field trip, you would be the first one crying about how little common sense they possessed for doing nothing about it, when they could have.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 27, 2007 15:47:49 GMT -5
Again we forget one of these guys was a "fugitive." Does that not make the rest of these guys criminals?
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Post by billt on Apr 27, 2007 16:07:50 GMT -5
ONLY any of them harboring the fugitive, and i havent seen the charges against them but THAT wasnt one mentioned last night.
bottom line remains we are being told being in a militia group opens one to arrest and that alone has the founding fathers SPINNING in their graves.
reality, IF george washington and the rest were alive today they would ALL be put in jail....think about it!
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Post by fragerella on Apr 27, 2007 16:19:22 GMT -5
So you were that angry, right? I understood it as sarcasm...... 'Twas.
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 27, 2007 16:22:09 GMT -5
I understood it as sarcasm...... 'Twas. Good for me!!!!
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Post by fragerella on Apr 27, 2007 16:22:17 GMT -5
So, if you run across habjeeb with a suitcase bomb....you won't do anything because he hasn't done anything yet? There needs to be common sense used and these guys having rocket launchers, grenades and I.E.D.s is a problem. If these guys were investigated by the ATF and nothing was done, 2 months later these guys go into the Capitol building blowing up kindergarten kids on a field trip, you would be the first one crying about how little common sense they possessed for doing nothing about it, when they could have. Yep. And imagine if this was in your ("your" in the general sense) neighborhood & one of the guys' IED's exploded, taking your home or God forbid, someone in your family with it. I highly doubt that anyone who's OK with the type of ammo these guys had would still be singing their praises. But what the hell do I know....
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 27, 2007 16:23:46 GMT -5
But what the hell do I know.... Wait, wait, wait......Um...... Sarcasm?
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Post by phinehas on Apr 27, 2007 16:28:39 GMT -5
"weapons that included a rocket launcher, 130 hand grenades and 70 improvised explosive devices (IEDs) similiar to the kind used by insurgents against American GIs in Iraq." That looked like a safe place to keep all the stuff.
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Post by billt on Apr 27, 2007 16:34:37 GMT -5
just heard on the news, a state trooper in new york was killed by friendly fire and the house burned down by a tear gas round.....BUT WAIT werent we told years ago that tear gas could NOT have started the fire in waco? ? even though they also used flash bang grenades!
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Post by fragerella on Apr 27, 2007 16:35:32 GMT -5
Is that a real picture of the scene?!?!
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