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Post by billt on Apr 1, 2007 15:32:30 GMT -5
can anyone explain why the US government PAYS some farmers to NOT grow wheat, and then we have to IMPORT POISON wheat from china?
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 15:36:06 GMT -5
MONEY
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Post by billt on Apr 1, 2007 15:38:19 GMT -5
how does paying farmers "moneY" to not grow, then paying farmers in china "money" for their products make "money" for the USA?
the ONLY way i can see that "money" is the root is OLD money that have been paid by government for decades having the power to keep their gravytrain rolling.
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Post by billt on Apr 1, 2007 15:40:31 GMT -5
by the way i am very angry over this because they are NOW telling us what they have known for a LONG TIME and some of the foods we gives our many animals have now shown up on the recall lists, WEEKS after they were KNOWN to be dangerous!
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Post by billt on Apr 1, 2007 15:41:24 GMT -5
another quick reality for you big government lovers....when it gets into the HUMAN food sources they WONT tell YOU about it either!
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 1, 2007 15:52:24 GMT -5
ah yes....good ole subsidies...
goes at least back to the days of Eisenhower where there was so much crop surplus, that prices were rock bottom, and farmers made nothing...
so...government steps in by paying farmers NOT to grow...the rest is history...
and we all know...when the government steps in, they NEVER step out...in fact, they see to it they they have to stay in...
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Post by billt on Apr 1, 2007 15:55:14 GMT -5
one idiot congressman from utah years ago claimed without the subsidy BEES wouldnt pollenate.
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Post by blondie on Apr 1, 2007 15:59:14 GMT -5
Because it's a screwed up system.
We pay farmers not to grow good wheat to raise the prices.
The wheat from China is of a lower grade. OK for Fluffy and Rufus, not good for humans. They are buying our better wheat for people. It is often cheaper for California companies to get wheat from China than from Iowa.
I'm for 100% free trade. This is a good example why. Government shouldn't be tinkering with the economy.
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 16:17:10 GMT -5
Another example of how money overrides common sense....hemp is one of the worlds most useful plants but because of money and politics it is still kept at a bare minimum for production.
Everything about our government is screwed up.
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Post by Twista on Apr 2, 2007 0:20:58 GMT -5
"We pay farmers not to grow good wheat to raise the prices." That is true, but it is more to stabilize the prices at a little over the cost of production, rather than some big money making scheme that is getting the average farmer a big paycheck. And most farmers will tell you that the government programs also keep the prices from going way up, as programs require a certain level of acreage cropping over a long period to qualify to take some of that land out of production for a payment on the crop. This kind of guarantees that there aren't large swings in crop planting selections as farmers try to chase the highest profit margin crop by planting all their acreage to it, which could leave a shortage of some other crop, and cause a big runup in price for the one that few decided to plant in a certain year. And one also has to realize that the EU subsidises wheat prices, and even China has established a higher pricing level for wheat growers to encourage more production in their own country, though probably lower than our subsidy levels... And a good portion of the money paid in subsidies for smaller farmers is to get marginal (erosive soil etc.) land out of production or into conservation tillage, which is partly a good thing... BTW - The top 10 recipients of wheat payments over the last 10 years. 1. DNRC - The Montana Department of Natural Resources and Conservation (A state government dept.) 2. CNS - A cooperative and manufacturer of tortillas and mexican foods. 3. Riceland Foods - A large rice brand that you've probably seen. 4. BIA - The Bureau of Indian Affairs... 5. Barkley Seed inc. - A seed company (all disaster payments) 6. Arizona Grain Company - Another seed company (also all disaster payments) 7. Washington State DNR - That's department of natural resources. Another government agency... 8. Attebury Grain - A large grain elevator company. 9. Broughton Land Co - A 38K acre farm in Washington state. 10. Century Farms - An Idaho corporation owned by a large group of people (Farmers?) (between the top ten there was about $60 million in subsidies paid...) "The wheat from China is of a lower grade. OK for Fluffy and Rufus, not good for humans. They are buying our better wheat for people. It is often cheaper for California companies to get wheat from China than from Iowa." As this was a "value added product" (wheat gluten - a protein product) it probably came from a higher quality wheat, as low quality wheat is generally low protein/high starch. It may be some of their home grown "noodle quality" wheat, or even imported wheat from our country... A good deal of our exports are whole seed grains, as other countries can get a better margin on milling, crushing, and refining grains than we do in the US, due to lower labor costs and less restrictive quality control... And some countries want to have the production facilities to make these products so they won't be dependant on the US (Shades of the Grain Embargo to Russia...) So I'd put the blame on the company that wouldn't test their ingredients, or the original company that added the crap to the product. Not subsidies on our grain... Side Note - Our exports of grain and value added products have a limit of foreign matter in the product (2% for grain) A few years back there were a lot of comments by other countries expressing wishes that we would just ship the foreign matter seperately instead of dumping extra junk on top of the grain to make sure we hit the 2% limit. I've personally seen it done at an elevator next door to the place I was working a few years ago, with the workers scooping up a mixture of dirt, assorted refuse, and grain dust in Payloaders to add to the bins on the barge. Ka-ching! Free money! This could be the source of the contamination in the gluten, especially the melamine waste, that could be laying around an industrial area, and be added to the product to make the shipment hit the "target amount of foreign matter"... (I used to work for a University Research Farm... that's why I'm so long winded and boring about some of this stuff... LOL)
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 2, 2007 3:52:09 GMT -5
Ted Turner, if you can believe it, gets subsidies. I will look for the link to the article I found the other day. It had some very rich, very powerful and important men on it. All had received subsidies for at least the last 10 year.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 2, 2007 4:45:52 GMT -5
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 2, 2007 4:55:35 GMT -5
Here is the home page, it allows you to search every state in the union: www.ewg.org/farm/
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 2, 2007 9:18:16 GMT -5
People need to realize that wheat gluten, poisoned or not, is NOT good for their pets. I feed a dog food that does not include that product. This is ONE time I am glad my dog had allergy signs. I figured it was only a matter of time before they realized the poisening affected dry food too. I didn't have to worry about the food I use being recalled since it has very limited ingredients and none of the filler crap like wheat gluten.
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Post by espy on Apr 2, 2007 9:21:18 GMT -5
People need to realize that wheat gluten, poisoned or not, is NOT good for their pets. I feed a dog food that does not include that product. This is ONE time I am glad my dog had allergy signs. I figured it was only a matter of time before they realized the poisening affected dry food too. I didn't have to worry about the food I use being recalled since it has very limited ingredients and none of the filler crap like wheat gluten. What brand of dog food do you use, because I don't know about the rest of you but along with being part of my family, my dog is a CONSIDERABLE financial investment that I would hate to loose because of low grade food products.
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 2, 2007 12:08:19 GMT -5
For the 13 yrs 8 months of his life I ran the gammit of food till I got to the one that we settled on. I started with IAMS...they downgraded, added chicken by-products and started selling in grocery stores so out it went. Next was Nutro...good stuff..yep..till they downgraded and added chicken by products. Now I use California Natural Lamb and Rice. All it has is lamb, rice, vitamins: Lamb Meal Brown Rice Rice, Natura uses whole rice Sunflower Oil Taurine Potassium Chloride Choline Chloride Calcium Carbonate Vitamins/Minerals Here is a link to their site. It gives detailed info on ingrediants and their purpose. www.californianaturalpet.com/products/default.asp?id=3My baby passed away at almost 14 years old last August. He was a Wolf-Newfie weighing in at 110 lbs. By rights he should have never lived past 9 yrs due to breed, not to mention his severe food allergies. I credit great quality dog food making it unnessesary to have to administer steroid pills and shots weekly to his longevity. I still feed it to my Husky that has no health issues because I trust the food.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 2, 2007 12:16:54 GMT -5
What is wrong with the chicken by products? I assume you mean the stuff left over from the processing? I get my sweet baby's food from his vet. He is only 14 weeks old and I would hate to cause him any problems.
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 2, 2007 14:09:56 GMT -5
Most dogs are allergic to chicken, especially the by-products...which are the left over chicken parts. My vet and I discussed for a couple years about the fact that I wouldn't feed Kodi Science Diet or some of those other vet recommended foods. He finally realized I was virtually an expert in researching dog foods and had kept Kodi allergy breakout free with diet alone longer than he had ever done for a dog without meds.
The bolded items below are HUGE no nos for allergic dogs and isn't the best for healthy dogs. Even healthy average dogs will generally be allergic to wheat period...rice flour is non-nutritional filler..animal fat not defined as to WHAT animal and of course there is the ever present chicken in a food that is SUPPOSED to be for animals allergic to chicken...which by the by most dogs are to some degree:).
Science Diet Lamb Meal & Rice Recipe Adult Lamb Meal, Brewers Rice, Rice Flour, Ground Whole Grain Wheat, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Corn Gluten Meal, Cracked Pearled Barley, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil, Chicken Liver Flavor,
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Post by dixie56 on Apr 2, 2007 22:11:41 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how a substance that is used in plastics got into the wheat. I heard that it is use in fertilizer in some countries bu I have not been able to find anything verifying this.
I took my dog to the Vet yesterday (hurt paw) and there was a couple there that had both of their dogs with the elavated kidney tests, one worse than the other. The wife came out of the exam room red eyed and immediately went outside. When are people going to realize that other countries do NOT hold the same safety standards that we do (at least for now)? Globalism at is finest! The chickens are coming home to roost! Corporations are going to realize when they get the SH_T sued out of them that the cheap labor is going to cost them in the end? I feel for all the people that have lost their pets because of corporate greed! A loved pet is like a child.
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Post by Twista on Apr 3, 2007 1:38:34 GMT -5
fiascofarm.com/herbs/Mables_Meatloaf.htm A good recipe for homemade Doggie meatloaf. Originally it was formulated for diabetic pooches, but it's a very good feed for any dog. I used to feed it to our 105 lb. diabetic Basset hound, and she just loved it. (but then again, she loved anything...) Make it in big batches, slice it up and freeze it so you don't have to make it very often... And there is a vegan recipe version there too, in case your dog is some kind of "Left Wing Nutjob"... LOL
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 3, 2007 6:33:48 GMT -5
And there is a vegan recipe version there too, in case your dog is some kind of "Left Wing Nutjob"... LOL We had a pooch once who would go out into the garden and pluck ripe tomatoes off the vine and eat them. I don't think she was a left wing nut job, though. The vet seemed to think is was a vitamin deficiency of some sort.
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 3, 2007 8:58:16 GMT -5
fiascofarm.com/herbs/Mables_Meatloaf.htmA good recipe for homemade Doggie meatloaf. Originally it was formulated for diabetic pooches, but it's a very good feed for any dog. I used to feed it to our 105 lb. diabetic Basset hound, and she just loved it. (but then again, she loved anything...) Make it in big batches, slice it up and freeze it so you don't have to make it very often... And there is a vegan recipe version there too, in case your dog is some kind of "Left Wing Nutjob"... LOL With some of the key ingrediants being wheat germ, chicken and turkey....not to mention stock. All flaming allergy ingrediants.
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Post by mamawolf on Apr 3, 2007 9:06:00 GMT -5
My Kodi LOVED carrots. It was his FAVORITE treat.....well his favorite DAILY treat. His MOST favorite treat was fresh lamb chops:). My Husky has continued the carrot tradition, but she only started eating them because she saw Kodi doing it. She won't beat the fridge door down for one like he used to.
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Post by espy on Apr 3, 2007 23:02:32 GMT -5
Did you know that a vast majority of child food alergies is caused by wheat gluten, thats why so much food these days has gluten free on it.
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Post by billt on Apr 5, 2007 16:23:10 GMT -5
after a bit more research it seems walmart was WARNED in june 2006 about their pet food supplier.
also TODAY they still have foods indentified last month on the shelves.
there is also a salmonella problem with "dingo" dog treats found out last week and those are still on the shelves TODAY, even after telling the stockers on monday that those things were poison.
the FDA iw withholding information about the full extent of this problem NOW!
but i do give the FDA credit, they are working behind the scenes trying to BAN vitamins and natural supplements, after all if people use those things they will be HEALTHY and the FDA stands firmly againt that concept.
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Post by billt on Apr 5, 2007 16:24:22 GMT -5
am i angry? YES very much so, because i really dont want to find out i fed our pets poison and killed them, after all the pleasure they have given us for years.
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