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Post by phinehas on Mar 27, 2007 12:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 12:19:18 GMT -5
I think it's a trick.
But then I don't believe in the supernatural. I don't have to do any special pleading to explain that my magic is real and that funny foreign magic is fake.
But really, thanks for the link. I forgot about the Buddha Boy.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 27, 2007 12:48:57 GMT -5
You don't believe in anything, therefore you don't have to do anything. Oops, you DO believe in evolution and therefore the "magic" of something coming from nothing. LOL....now that's "magic"!
Also, unlike your faith, my faith doesn't rely on artists' renditions of things I believe to be true for evidence.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 13:33:34 GMT -5
I've over the evolution thing.
I knew there was a reason I didn't argue about evolution.
If no one will agree that the the National Academy of Sciences et al are legitimate sources then all I could do would be to recreate the last 150 years of research from scratch with them looking over my shoulder.
If they do accept said sources they believe in evolution.
I'm not big into this selective skepticism. I think there's a term for it, oh yeah...special pleading.
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Post by galaxygoddess on Mar 27, 2007 14:48:04 GMT -5
Everything is "magic".
I mean seriously. Think about it. Either way we were "magicly" put here some how. Evolution or bible depending on who you talk to. It's all "magic". Hell you could say a computer is "magic" because how do those chunk of metal and plastic store information? ooooo "magic!"
Baah ><
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Post by phinehas on Mar 27, 2007 15:21:25 GMT -5
blondie - I have yet to say that the NAS is not a legitimate source. I didn't ask you to recreate the last 150 years, I asked you to produce the fossilized "fish tail" of the animal that you submit as being a transitional fossil. It's not my fault that neither you nor NAS can provide that. You are VERY big in being selective.
galaxygoddess- The point is that blondie doesn't think his faith incorporates magic, only the people who are willingly ignorant in their beliefs of myths and fairytales.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 16:09:27 GMT -5
blondie - I have yet to say that the NAS is not a legitimate source. I didn't ask you to recreate the last 150 years, I asked you to produce the fossilized "fish tail" of the animal that you submit as being a transitional fossil. It's not my fault that neither you nor NAS can provide that. You are VERY big in being selective. I've been attacked for believing that the NAS is a legitimate institution. I guess it wasn't you. I can't believe anyone would seriously make that claim. Why would someone trash one of the most objective reputable sources of information on the entire planet and think they would be taken seriously? I believe all fossils are transitional fossils. Also that evolution is the cornerstone of biology. If you don't believe that it's your prerogative. I think you're choosing to ignore the evidence. Evolution is a science and thus falsifiable. It would only take one rabbit in the digestive track of a T-Rex to blow the whole thing out of the water. Hasn't happened, but if it did all those scientist would dump evolution right away. When creationists stop trying to poke holes in evolution and start making claims is when you see that this isn't science at all. Dragons are dinosaurs. Noah's flood carved out the grand canyon. Look up the evidence for that and you'll find a clumsily designed con job. Creationism is wise to stick to extreme skepticism and rhetoric.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 27, 2007 16:35:52 GMT -5
"I believe all fossils are transitional fossils. Also that evolution is the cornerstone of biology. If you don't believe that it's your prerogative. I think you're choosing to ignore the evidence."I can't ignore something that doesn't currently exist. "Evolution is a science and thus falsifiable. It would only take one rabbit in the digestive track of a T-Rex to blow the whole thing out of the water. Hasn't happened, but if it did all those scientist would dump evolution right away."Yes, it is falsifiable.... education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,1418104,00.html "When creationists stop trying to poke holes in evolution and start making claims is when you see that this isn't science at all. Dragons are dinosaurs. Noah's flood carved out the grand canyon. Look up the evidence for that and you'll find a clumsily designed con job."I have not argued from a "traditional" creationist standpoint, so that is for others to address. "Creationism is wise to stick to extreme skepticism and rhetoric."....and Evolutionism is wise to stick to making speculation, falsifying evidence and representing the bulk of their evidence by using artists' renditions that fill in the massive holes in evidence.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 22:19:24 GMT -5
"I believe all fossils are transitional fossils. Also that evolution is the cornerstone of biology. If you don't believe that it's your prerogative. I think you're choosing to ignore the evidence."I can't ignore something that doesn't currently exist. "Evolution is a science and thus falsifiable. It would only take one rabbit in the digestive track of a T-Rex to blow the whole thing out of the water. Hasn't happened, but if it did all those scientist would dump evolution right away."Yes, it is falsifiable.... education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,1418104,00.html "When creationists stop trying to poke holes in evolution and start making claims is when you see that this isn't science at all. Dragons are dinosaurs. Noah's flood carved out the grand canyon. Look up the evidence for that and you'll find a clumsily designed con job."I have not argued from a "traditional" creationist standpoint, so that is for others to address. "Creationism is wise to stick to extreme skepticism and rhetoric."....and Evolutionism is wise to stick to making speculation, falsifying evidence and representing the bulk of their evidence by using artists' renditions that fill in the massive holes in evidence. I know what you're trying to get at but all you are exposing is sciences' self-correcting mechanism. One of its virtues and defining qualities. Notice how people change their minds when a fraud or new evidence is exposed. Creationists don't do this. That's why it's not science. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris#Controversy_and_criticismwww.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFFp=&item_no=5523382
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 22:31:20 GMT -5
Also,
let's apply these same standards to Christianity. Since one faith healer is a fraud then all faith healers are frauds. Jesus was a faith healer so he was a fraud.
But unlike the handful of frauds in science who have been stripped of their positions and shunned, 100% of faith healers tested under clinical conditions have proven to be fake. Yet people still believe.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 28, 2007 3:57:34 GMT -5
blondie -
Your logic is absurd. Guilt by Association is another ad hominem argument from you. You don't have the ability to address what people post, you just ignore the points they make or talk about shit and give links that have nothing to do with what they said.
I am not wasting anymore time with your responses. I will continue to refute your bullshit and not expect an intelligent or legitimate response anymore from you.
"Notice how people change their minds when a fraud or new evidence is exposed.
Creationists don't do this. That's why it's not science."
That's because no new evidence has refuted it dumbass.
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Post by bamagatr on Mar 28, 2007 4:10:55 GMT -5
blondie - I have yet to say that the NAS is not a legitimate source. I did... Well...I didn't say they aren't "legitimate"...I said they are not objective, credible, or consistent in their treatment of NON-scientific matters such as creationism, abiogenesis, and macroevolution... ...and I still say that... Your chip is showing again, Blondie...how is my pointing out inconsistencies in the NAS position an "attack" on you?? Even if it is, you can sure dish it out a whole lot better than you can take it...
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Post by phinehas on Mar 28, 2007 4:22:35 GMT -5
"I believe all fossils are transitional fossils."
and that has got to be the biggest cop out in having to provide evidence. Atheists have not been able to provide a transitional species, which is required for evolution to be correct. Every example they give turns out to be shown that it is not transitional or they are hoaxes by "scientists".
So what do they do? They know their theory is shit and they can't come up with the evidence, so they make it so they don't have to by saying all fossils are transitional fossils.
Atheists are the dumbest people on the planet, second to Satanists, though there isn't much difference. They can look around at the universe and they don't have the mental capability to come to the obvious conclusion that it didn't come about by accident.
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Post by bamagatr on Mar 28, 2007 4:22:57 GMT -5
Blondie-style logic...
Al Capone was a criminal... Al Capone was a white male... All white males are criminals...
and no, Blondie....Jesus was not a "faith healer"...
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Post by blondie on Mar 28, 2007 9:34:50 GMT -5
Atheists have not been able to provide a transitional species, which is required for evolution to be correct. There is extraordinary evidence for transitional species. Your blindness to this is just willful ignorance. Every example they give turns out to be shown that it is not transitional or they are hoaxes by "scientists". This is just a lie that anybody can research. So what do they do? They know their theory is shit and they can't come up with the evidence, so they make it so they don't have to by saying all fossils are transitional fossils. Atheists are the dumbest people on the planet, second to Satanists, though there isn't much difference. They can look around at the universe and they don't have the mental capability to come to the obvious conclusion that it didn't come about by accident. I'm disappointed you finally broke down. You lasted longer than most. I hope some day you explore these issues with an open mind. The real world is scary. But the mystery and truths are so much more satisfying than your imaginings.
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Post by espy on Mar 28, 2007 9:45:29 GMT -5
Did you know that there has never been a skeleton of a cave man found complete. Oddly enough they have found a human body and a ape head near each other and thought that these must go together.
There are no transitional animals found in fossil records. All these are, are life forms that are extinct. How about the Coelocanth, its supposed to be millions of years old but even the fossil records show it hasnt changed a bit.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 28, 2007 10:12:54 GMT -5
Atheists have not been able to provide a transitional species, which is required for evolution to be correct. There is extraordinary evidence for transitional species. Your blindness to this is just willful ignorance. *continuing to state there is a vast amount of evidence without ever producing said evidence is willful ignorance.This is just a lie that anybody can research. *There are plenty of examples of hoaxes made by scientitsts. Unlike you, I gave a link to actual evidence of this.So what do they do? They know their theory is shit and they can't come up with the evidence, so they make it so they don't have to by saying all fossils are transitional fossils. Atheists are the dumbest people on the planet, second to Satanists, though there isn't much difference. They can look around at the universe and they don't have the mental capability to come to the obvious conclusion that it didn't come about by accident. I'm disappointed you finally broke down. You lasted longer than most. *Sane people can only take so much foolishness before they point out to the fool that he is a fool. I have given you ample opportunity.I hope some day you explore these issues with an open mind. The real world is scary. But the mystery and truths are so much more satisfying than your imaginings. *You are the one with all the vain imaginings. I hope some day you will have the intellectual capacity to look at your faith and admit that it is useless along with being false. I doubt that it will happen because you are brainwashed at best.
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Post by bamagatr on Mar 28, 2007 11:32:57 GMT -5
There is extraordinary evidence for transitional species. Your blindness to this is just willful ignorance. Ah, yes...so "declares" your beloved NAS... With all this horse shit, there HAS to be a pony in here somewhere....
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