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Post by zoomixer on Mar 27, 2007 9:03:49 GMT -5
I forget who the asshole atheist was that posted in the other group, but I shall respond to him... I've made it a point not top insult people personally on forums. Attacking ideas is different. This is why so many atheists keep their beliefs a secret. It's probably hard for Christians to imagine what it's like to be ridiculed for your beliefs. I can't help the fact that I don't believe in magic. But does that stop people like brandon for hating me? No. What is I was applying for a job from someone like brandon? What if he was going over my college application? Forgoing some dramatic incident America will soon be a majority non-religious country like England. Rest assured brandon that most atheists are much more tolerant than most Christians. Blondie, let's be realistic. Don't pretend to be tolerant. It's an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows how to read. You consistently make a point to insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. I don't mind that you think I'm dead wrong in my beliefs but don't think for a second that we're going allow you to call yourself tolerant.
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Post by bamagatr on Mar 27, 2007 9:09:11 GMT -5
Blondie, let's be realistic. Don't pretend to be tolerant. It's an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows how to read. You consistently make a point to insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. I don't mind that you think I'm dead wrong in my beliefs but don't think for a second that we're going allow you to call yourself tolerant. amen to that...
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:11:16 GMT -5
.....if God is defined as both all good and all powerful, then the existence of evil in the universe either means that God is not all good and participates in evil or, barring that, God is not all powerful as evil exists and acts independent of His will. Right, it's an old Western argument against a very Western concept of god. The traditional reply involves mankind having free will as a higher good. It's amazing nobody knew that. As far as absolute good and evil goes; what would be an example of absolute evil? Maybe torturing innocent children to death? Well, a lot of people are pro-choice. I'm sure they don't consider themselves evil. But what about YHWH? certainly he's absolutely good. He would never kill innocent children. There are lot's of quotes in the OT. Here's a good one: Psalms 137:8-9 - 8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us , he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. And what about shock and awe? All Americans have to take responsibility for that. Plenty of innocent children died during the battle of Baghdad. The torture and murder of innocent children seems like it would be the most obvious example of an absolute evil. Yet it's relative and dependent on the circumstances and the subjective point of view of the person deciding if it's evil. There is an answer to this. I don't agree with it, but I bet nobody knows what it is. Here's a hint: Your subjective system is not the correct one. There's not too many innocent children in Iraq, most are becoming suicide bombers because of islam. www.liveleak.com/view?i=d653d_4207&p=1
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:11:58 GMT -5
Blondie, let's be realistic. Don't pretend to be tolerant. It's an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows how to read. You consistently make a point to insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. I don't mind that you think I'm dead wrong in my beliefs but don't think for a second that we're going allow you to call yourself tolerant. amen to that... I second that amen..
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 9:21:04 GMT -5
Right, right. This is moral relativism. They think they're the good guys and you're rationalizing killing children.
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Post by bamagatr on Mar 27, 2007 9:23:34 GMT -5
Right, right. This is moral relativism. They think they're the good guys and you're rationalizing killing children. Twist and shout, Blondie....twist and shout....
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:29:33 GMT -5
It's probably hard for Christians to imagine what it's like to be ridiculed for your beliefs. . Not with you here, it isn't... No doubt.... you can also see it becoming a problem in the media too. blondie, why do you have to bring up Christian beliefs on EVERY thread if you don't believe in them, why don't you just talk about the subject at hand ( I know that's what this thread is about) like I said, I think you just crave attention. You must be a loner.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 9:35:04 GMT -5
Blondie, let's be realistic. Don't pretend to be tolerant. It's an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows how to read. You consistently make a point to insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. I don't mind that you think I'm dead wrong in my beliefs but don't think for a second that we're going allow you to call yourself tolerant. Christians just aren't used to having their opinions challenged. They think it's an insult that people don't use flattering terminology to describe their belief system. Willful ignorance, mythology and even brainwashed are just descriptions. They're not personal insults. I'm not particularly tolerant of Christians. But I wouldn't subject them to the kinds of discrimination that we Atheists face. This is probably just because we're in the minority. After we become the majority you'll probably have a few good years before we start treating you as bad as we're treated now. Now go look at some of the hate-filled venom directed at me personally.
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:35:08 GMT -5
Right, right. This is moral relativism. They think they're the good guys and you're rationalizing killing children. No, I am just saying that these "innocent" children you say we were bombing aren't all that innocent. My friend who just got back from Iraq said that there were lots of kids throwing grenades and shooting at them. An innocent child would be one who is not involved nor has any interest in being involved in the conflict. These children are as you say brainwashed from birth to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That's not innocence.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 9:39:42 GMT -5
blondie, why do you have to bring up Christian beliefs on EVERY thread if you don't believe in them, why don't you just talk about the subject at hand ( I know that's what this thread is about) like I said, I think you just crave attention. You must be a loner. This thread is called "Is there a God. Then you insult me. Why do you feel the need to call me a loner? I stated above I don't make personal attacks on forums.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 9:43:18 GMT -5
Right, right. This is moral relativism. They think they're the good guys and you're rationalizing killing children. No, I am just saying that these "innocent" children you say we were bombing aren't all that innocent. My friend who just got back from Iraq said that there were lots of kids throwing grenades and shooting at them. An innocent child would be one who is not involved nor has any interest in being involved in the conflict. These children are as you say brainwashed from birth to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That's not innocence. All you're doing is proving my point about moral relativism. What was your friend doing in Iraq? How do you believe this friend was perceived by the Iraqi children?
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:44:01 GMT -5
blondie, why do you have to bring up Christian beliefs on EVERY thread if you don't believe in them, why don't you just talk about the subject at hand ( I know that's what this thread is about) like I said, I think you just crave attention. You must be a loner. This thread is called "Is there a God. Then you insult me. Why do you feel the need to call me a loner? I stated above I don't make personal attacks on forums. wow, you consider that insulting, how old are you. Yea I know what the thread is, I even said so. I was referring to all the other threads that turn into Christian bashing for you. You do make personal attacks on this forum hypocrite.
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:48:09 GMT -5
No, I am just saying that these "innocent" children you say we were bombing aren't all that innocent. My friend who just got back from Iraq said that there were lots of kids throwing grenades and shooting at them. An innocent child would be one who is not involved nor has any interest in being involved in the conflict. These children are as you say brainwashed from birth to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That's not innocence. All you're doing is proving my point about moral relativism. What was your friend doing in Iraq? How do you believe this friend was perceived by the Iraqi children? I never said I agree with the war. The children over there believe that this is a holy war on islam and it is there duty to kill the Christian invaders. My friend is a army ranger and was over there doing patrols for insurgents. Why do you even use the word morals when you have none, If you dont believe in God or a God then isnt life just a free for all.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 27, 2007 9:52:09 GMT -5
"Das mich nicht tötet, bildet mich nur stärker."If you are secure in your beliefs, having them challenged should not bother you. That's not to say that it doesn't occasionally become tedious to do so.....
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 9:59:44 GMT -5
"Das mich nicht tötet, bildet mich nur stärker."If you are secure in your beliefs, having them challenged should not bother you. That's not to say that it doesn't occasionally become tedious to do so..... You cant shake my foundations. God is God and Jesus is our Saviour sent to earth by God to die for our sins. Unfortunately, we are all unworthy.
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 10:34:10 GMT -5
"Das mich nicht tötet, bildet mich nur stärker."If you are secure in your beliefs, having them challenged should not bother you. That's not to say that it doesn't occasionally become tedious to do so..... You cant shake my foundations. God is God and Jesus is our Saviour sent to earth by God to die for our sins. Unfortunately, we are all unworthy. I'll bet an open minded exploration of contemporary biblical scholarship would shake your foundations.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 27, 2007 12:29:38 GMT -5
I'll bet "an open minded exploration of" global warming would shake yours.
Don't get me wrong...I have little doubt that I'd have to fall back on my faith to justify my belief in God and religion.
But that illustrates two differences between you and me:
1) Being 'forced' to rely on faith when science doesn't make the case I might wish doesn't scare me
2) I admit that science doesn't fully explain my religion.
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 27, 2007 13:57:24 GMT -5
I've made it a point not top insult people personally on forums. Attacking ideas is different. This is why so many atheists keep their beliefs a secret. It's probably hard for Christians to imagine what it's like to be ridiculed for your beliefs. I can't help the fact that I don't believe in magic. But does that stop people like brandon for hating me? No. What is I was applying for a job from someone like brandon? What if he was going over my college application? Forgoing some dramatic incident America will soon be a majority non-religious country like England. Rest assured brandon that most atheists are much more tolerant than most Christians. Blondie, let's be realistic. Don't pretend to be tolerant. It's an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows how to read. You consistently make a point to insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. I don't mind that you think I'm dead wrong in my beliefs but don't think for a second that we're going allow you to call yourself tolerant. Maybe this is a new definition of tolerant...Maybe this is the definition in the bizarro backwards dictionary that blondie learns most things from.
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Post by zoomixer on Mar 27, 2007 16:27:53 GMT -5
Christians just aren't used to having their opinions challenged. They think it's an insult that people don't use flattering terminology to describe their belief system. That's a load of crap. As you are not a Christian, how would you know how often our opinions challenged? I'll say it again. Be realistic when you make such broad statements. When you tell someone they are ignorant, brainwashed, and buying into a myth, you don't consider that to be a personal insult to that person? If I told you that I thought you had bought into a total load of crap in an effort to rebel against the idea of a God so that you don't have to feel any personal responsibility for any of your actions, you're saying that you wouldn't feel as if you were under a personal attack? Get real, Blondie.This is one of the first facts you've posted on this thread. You claim that tolerance is one of your virtues yet you fail to exhibit it. I've called you out on it and now you actually admit it. Right. Because you're such a tolerant bunch. I know, you're such a victim and don't deserve any of the attacks that have been launched against you. /sarcasm
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 27, 2007 21:09:54 GMT -5
....the Persecution Complex starts; "you don't know HOW much my beliefs are challenged". In Birmingham, Alabama, probably not that often. To hear most Christians, no; to hear most Fundamentalists speak, you'd think we were living under Nero or Dicoletian themselves and Christians heaped upon bonfires were lighting the night skies.
It's not that you believe your religion, it's that you're not content to leave other free to either believe or disbelieve as they so choose. The problem is that many of you would have mandatory school prayer sanctioned through the state and would attempt to impose your values upon society at large. For all of your complaining of statism, you're all too willing to use coercive political power to stamp your particular brand on society.
Personally, I'm inclined toward Gnosticism because of the intrinsic inconsistencies in the Old and New Testaments. I see the universe as a nearly endless construct of secrets that gradually reveal themselves through our curiosity.
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Post by espy on Mar 27, 2007 21:28:00 GMT -5
You cant shake my foundations. God is God and Jesus is our Saviour sent to earth by God to die for our sins. Unfortunately, we are all unworthy. I'll bet an open minded exploration of contemporary biblical scholarship would shake your foundations. not....
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Post by blondie on Mar 27, 2007 21:37:53 GMT -5
Christians cry fowl when they're not allowed to persecute gays and religious minorities.
Hey Christians, take a look at your government, the cops, the judges, the lawyers, the president, congress. They're almost all Christians.
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 27, 2007 21:41:02 GMT -5
Honestly; there are hardly ANY self-professed Christians in politics. Those damned Zorastrians have taken over our government!!!!
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Post by zoomixer on Mar 27, 2007 23:13:28 GMT -5
....the Persecution Complex starts; "you don't know HOW much my beliefs are challenged". In Birmingham, Alabama, probably not that often. To hear most Christians, no; to hear most Fundamentalists speak, you'd think we were living under Nero or Dicoletian themselves and Christians heaped upon bonfires were lighting the night skies. Just to verify, are you responding to my post? If not, ignore what I'm about to say. I in no way indicated that I was being persecuted or think that Christians are being persecuted. I'd figure that you, of all people on this forum would be able to read and comprehend the difference between having you ideas challenged and being persecuted. Also, I have never voiced any opinion regarding school prayer. Honestly, I could care less about prayer in schools. I think that Homeschooling is the best course and what I do in my home is none of your business. Maybe I've misunderstood how you feel about things but I was under the impression that tolerance was a word that had been taken out of your vocabulary.I do hope you're just throwing this statement out as a general "you people" statement and did not intend this to be directed at me.I hope that's working out for you. I haven't seen you running around here insulting anyone who disagrees with you so....
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Post by zoomixer on Mar 27, 2007 23:16:41 GMT -5
Christians cry fowl when they're not allowed to persecute gays and religious minorities. Hey Christians, take a look at your government, the cops, the judges, the lawyers, the president, congress. They're almost all Christians. You would do well to know that calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you a Christian.
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Post by espy on Mar 28, 2007 9:02:20 GMT -5
A real Christian only tries to convey the truth, not persecute...thats for the gays and religious minoritys to do to Christians.
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Post by brandon on Mar 28, 2007 9:32:41 GMT -5
Christians cry fowl when they're not allowed to persecute gays and religious minorities. No, you mean Baptists. Some Christian churches, like mine, welcome everyone.
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Post by blondie on Mar 28, 2007 9:44:37 GMT -5
Christians cry fowl when they're not allowed to persecute gays and religious minorities. No, you mean Baptists. Some Christian churches, like mine, welcome everyone. Hey Mr. toleration, Of all the insults leveled at me on this board yours was the nastiest. "I forget who the asshole atheist was"
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Post by espy on Mar 28, 2007 9:48:49 GMT -5
No, you mean Baptists. Some Christian churches, like mine, welcome everyone. Hey Mr. toleration, Of all the insults leveled at me on this board yours was the nastiest. "I forget who the asshole atheist was" My goodness, YOU ARE A BROKEN RECORD!!!!!!!
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Post by brandon on Mar 28, 2007 10:34:18 GMT -5
No, you mean Baptists. Some Christian churches, like mine, welcome everyone. Hey Mr. toleration, Of all the insults leveled at me on this board yours was the nastiest. "I forget who the asshole atheist was" My church teaches tolerance of gays, other races, and sinners of all types. But they've never told us to tolerate anyone that despises God or Christians. No one cares if you are merely an athiest. It's the fact that you go beyond not believing and activily fight against God and Christianity. It's not enough for you to not believe; you have to be militantly anti-God. You'd get more respect as an atheist by simply minding your own business.
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