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Post by solinvictus on Mar 12, 2007 21:01:26 GMT -5
...what place do such concepts as patriotism and religion play in a capitalist society?
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Post by brandon on Mar 12, 2007 22:57:51 GMT -5
The three have nothing to do with the other.
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 16, 2007 18:42:01 GMT -5
..why do so many wear religion and patriotism on their sleeve in our society? It seems that these two concepts would be trumped by capitalism.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 16, 2007 18:47:35 GMT -5
In a lot of cases it is....point being that there is a large percentage of people that say they are against abortion on religious grounds...but because of monetary concerns....they vote for people, for the most part, that are not opposed to it and want it to remain legal, ie. Democrats. You have to consider that religion is basically an ethics paradigm that people consider to be created by something other than themselves...so capitalism shoudn't void people's ethical beliefs in my opinion.
I don't know of any patriotism examples that get trumped by capitalism...are you thinking in terms of buying from China or something?
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 16, 2007 18:51:52 GMT -5
In a lot of cases it is....point being that there is a large percentage of people that say they are against abortion on religious grounds...but because of monetary concerns....they vote for people, for the most part, that are not opposed to it and want it to remain legal, ie. Democrats. I don't know of any patriotism examples that get trumped by capitalism...are you thinking in terms of buying from China or something? Maybe, we don't seem to care about economic patriotism; which means keeping our hard earned $$ inside our economy. Now, on another note, if we're a capitalist society, then why is it morally wrong to sell defense secrets to an enemy? After all, the U.S.S.R., Nazi Germany, Japan, etc. were served by American companies before and during World War 2.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 16, 2007 18:55:11 GMT -5
Hmmm, good question......perhaps because it can be viewed as "planning" your suicide?
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 16, 2007 18:59:25 GMT -5
Hmmm, good question......perhaps because it can be viewed as "planning" your suicide? ...."They'll sell us the rope we intend to hang them with?", or some similar context. I believe that the pursuit of short-term profit trumps all in America. We're doing it now; we buy oil from Middle Eastern billionaires who in turn fund the Islamists against us.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 16, 2007 19:20:45 GMT -5
? I think it's closer to being, "We will buy the rope they plan to hang us with"...I got your point though and it is valid. I don't see how we can not buy oil from them since we won't allow ourselves to increase our domestic production nor the domestic refining that would be needed to keep prices inside of $10 a gallon.
Maybe we could just go over there and kill enough of them to take the oil? Oh..the days of conquering and taking...what occured to end that? Let's see, it was in the playbook from the dawn of time until the end of Nazi Germany and Emperial Japan....what changed to make that a no no?
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 16, 2007 21:23:01 GMT -5
We're trying in Iraq, but we're being robbed blind by contracting out work that we should do ourselves. I believe abstractions like "democracy" and "human rights" and other such emotionalisms have taken sway over the Western world. It's a sickness.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 16, 2007 22:07:27 GMT -5
Really? Did we take their oil? Hmmm, is their oil being exported only to the U.S. now? You would think our supply would be way up and the prices way down.
Contracting out work.....I thought that was a problem, that we were the ones doing all the work and the Iraqis had no jobs......
I agree that abstractions are a problem.
You know what we need.....
We blow up Germany and rebuild them...and they are doing good.
We blow up Japan and rebuild them...and they are doing good.
Maybe we need somebody to come and blow us up and rebuild us?
Look what happened on 9/11...they blow up a couple of buildings and the economy pulls out of a Recession into making new records...just think if we allowed them to blow up some more stuff.
There you go...when the economy starts to tank..we "allow" somebody to come in and blow something up so that we can start a war and pull our economy to new highs!!!
Oops...to late, the idea is being used already...by us!
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