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Post by galaxygoddess on Mar 12, 2007 10:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by espy on Mar 13, 2007 9:31:04 GMT -5
Isn't it sad what we have going on in our own wealthy country when you have all this mess about humanitarian efforts in other countries. We spend billions on humanitarian efforts in Africa and hardly anything on the homeless and hungry here.....shame on us
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Post by bamagatr on Mar 13, 2007 18:43:58 GMT -5
speak for yourself...you have no clue what I'm doing for the "homeless"...nor will you...
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Post by espy on Mar 13, 2007 19:49:08 GMT -5
Dude?! "us" meaning our federal government..."nor will you" .......what is your problem?!
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Post by outcast on Mar 13, 2007 21:37:26 GMT -5
Dude?! "us" meaning our federal government..."nor will you" .......what is your problem?! heres the problem if the feds was to spend a little money on it and the problem not fixed in say 2 or 3 months people will be cring (remember Katrina?) only 2 years and peeps are ready to jump up and down! na seems we can only send billions of are taxs over seas can't do evil with it and help our own!!
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Post by espy on Mar 14, 2007 8:29:58 GMT -5
As anyone can see, this tread is a perfect example of where our thoughts are. No one is discussing it because were not talking about homeless fags or whether or not being homeless leads to homosexuality. This is a real and present problem, our brothers and sisters are living on the street!! But what do we care, we all have homes and cars. But what we forget is how easy it would be for most of us to find ourselves in that position.
bamagatr, I'm not referring to you.
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Post by brandon on Mar 14, 2007 10:26:53 GMT -5
This is a real and present problem, our brothers and sisters are living on the street!! But what do we care, we all have homes and cars. But what we forget is how easy it would be for most of us to find ourselves in that position. I have no brothers or sisters in the streets. No one in my family is that lazy or that crazy. I'm sure that you give money regularly to the homeless...? Or are you arguing for the rest of us to foot the bill for these indigents through forced income redistribution?
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Post by alabamamtnman on Mar 14, 2007 14:33:49 GMT -5
Most people on the streets are their either by their own choice or through their own ignorance. I have a uncle with two college degrees that has essentially been homeless and on the "streets" for over 15 years. He goes south in the winter and goes north in the summer. We have found him at shelters on numerous occasions. Gone and retrieved him. Helped him get a home etc etc and one day he just walks away from it all. We had him put up for mental evaluation and they said he is normal.
I spent hours talking to him about his living on the "streets" and he speaks of it like its the best years of his life. Ive met many others that felt the same way. Carefree without a worry in the world. There is always a shelter to offer free food and always a shelter to sleep in etc.
So we quit chasing him down. He is living his life the way he wants it. So are the majority of homeless people.
The local HUD office here puts ads in the newspaper begging people to come and accept a government subsidized apartment or section 8 housing in the county. Couple that with food stamps etc and there is no reason for peopel who want to be off the streets to not be off the streets.
Next time you see "will work for food" offer them work and see how many will take it. They wont because if they stand there and 500 people walk by and just ten percent give them a dollar they have made 50 bucks standing in one spot. I know people that after taxs dont make that after a days work.
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Post by espy on Mar 14, 2007 15:59:18 GMT -5
This is a real and present problem, our brothers and sisters are living on the street!! But what do we care, we all have homes and cars. But what we forget is how easy it would be for most of us to find ourselves in that position. I have no brothers or sisters in the streets. No one in my family is that lazy or that crazy. I'm sure that you give money regularly to the homeless...? Or are you arguing for the rest of us to foot the bill for these indigents through forced income redistribution? I pray you have some sort of security in the event you lost your job due to illness or injury, most americans dont. All it takes is a few weeks out of work and you and your family can be on the street, unless you have relatives or friends, again the majority of americans don't. And for the argument that the wife can work....well most women who are stay at home moms cannot find a job paying enough to keep up the bills. I'm not saying they deserve a hand out but a hand up. And its not through trowing money at them. Its though education of finaces before they get into this position or teaching finaces at shelters.
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Post by galaxygoddess on Mar 14, 2007 16:12:01 GMT -5
You didn't answer his question.
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Post by brandon on Mar 14, 2007 18:06:29 GMT -5
I pray you have some sort of security in the event you lost your job due to illness or injury, most americans dont. All it takes is a few weeks out of work and you and your family can be on the street, unless you have relatives or friends, again the majority of americans don't. If I lost my job today and for whatever reason couldn't find another, I could liquidate my stocks and last a couple of years. I have no idea why in the hell that would happen since I'd be willing to wash cars or paint houses to pay the bills instead of being indigent. Homeless people are not willing to work, they just want to beg and take handouts. You say that most Americans don't have any family or friends? If that's the case - if they don't have a single relative or friend in their life - then why do I care if they starve? They obviously have nothing to live for. Alabamamtnman made lots of good points.
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Post by solinvictus on Mar 14, 2007 18:23:48 GMT -5
There's no easy answer to homelessness; it's a complex issue. Yep, many of the homeless winoes in downtown Birmingham have and will always move toward the bottom like water flowing downhill. My wife and I have spent weekends taking pictures and have seen a wino drink the last drop of an empty beer can from the street. When we lived in Five Points, I started carrying my .32 automatic simply to check our PO box. Why? Because of the drugged out bums wandering around aggressively panhandling.
On the other hand, I have every sympathy for the working poor who can't afford housing AND food AND health insurance AND car insurance/transportation AND.....you get the picture. Many of these people wind up in shelters because they're only an interrupted paycheck from losing it all.
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Post by outcast on Mar 14, 2007 19:03:51 GMT -5
I agree with most on the homeless thing
The wife and I have relatives that just a year ago had great jobs, a very large house, new cars, swimming pool, the nine yard American dream
Then one day we found out they was using meth! In just 6 months they lost everything they had, and now they are homeless,
We along with other family members tried to help them only to have almost everything we had stolen and sold to meth dealers!
But at the same time I know not all are there on the streets for this same reason,
very hard to know who needs help and just who don't
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Post by espy on Mar 14, 2007 22:46:56 GMT -5
You didn't answer his question. If you are talking to me, I give to jimmy hale and battered women's fund. and I agree that most are just plain lazy and deserve exactly what they get, I am really referring to the children who have to live like that. But as far as homeless people getting any type of work they can find, its a little hard to find a job when you only have one outfit and shower once a month, although, our state could employ them to clean up the side walks and streets.
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Post by zoomixer on Mar 14, 2007 23:36:18 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I have trouble having compassion for any adult that is homeless. In this land, if you are willing to work, there is work to be found. Why do you think so many Latino's are pouring into our country? You don't have to have a good education to land a job that pays well. A good education obviously helps but there are plenty of jobs out there that will pay the bills. As far as not being able to afford health insurance, food, etc. I know there are people who actually have that problem but, from what I've seen(that's an important line), most of the people don't handle their money well. You don't have to be a genius to do your finances correctly. All you have to really know is how to add and subtract. It ain't rocket surgery.
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Post by brandon on Mar 15, 2007 16:34:24 GMT -5
But as far as homeless people getting any type of work they can find, its a little hard to find a job when you only have one outfit and shower once a month... Lot's of Third World aliens with absolutely no education come to America with only the shirts on their backs, but they seem to be able to find a place to sleep at night. Granted, they get lots of free crap via the U.S. taxpayer in the process, but they still pay rent and sleep indoors.
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