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Post by espy on Mar 15, 2007 13:54:06 GMT -5
I think we can all agree the smoke is not healthy, neither is living downwind of a coke plant, the issue is what the drug does and how dangerous the gov. would want you to believe it is.
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 15, 2007 14:07:53 GMT -5
espy, you left out this part of the LONG post:
It was not a report, it was an email!
I think you missed THIS link:
This one contradicts another link on the SAME page:
It may not be the worst thing a person could ever do, but all studies agree that smoking pot can cause ill effects on your health. I am not someone who is going to sit around and claim I have never smoked pot. I have. All it ever did was make me sleepy, and cough a lot. There was one link on that page that said it could be used for the treatment of asthma! What kind of idiot would EVER think that inhaling SMOKE could be good for asthma? I do have a friend who says that if you eat it, or smoke it in a pipe or bong, it's better than using papers, because of the chemicals used in the making of paper, and that makes sense, but.....I think I will stay on the side of the law until someone comes out with a definitive answer, and everyone stops contradicting themselves.
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:08:42 GMT -5
espy thank you very much for posting TRUTH and facts.
i had already read all of that before and would like to add the testimony in court of a doctor ainslinger provided for a trial, when asked if he had used marijuana the doctor responded, "Yes, after smoking, I turned into a vampire bat, flew about the room hunting for something to kill in my murderous rage, finding nothing i settled into the bottom of a giant inkwell and rested until sober."
that is a paraphrase of the exact quote but the gist is ACCURATE.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:21:46 GMT -5
While I have changed my position on illegal drug use, granted that the government spends NO money whatsoever in relation to it's results, for anybody to think that marijuana does not impair your brain and therefore poses a risk to yourself and others...is not being realistic. I think, baring a health issue where the side effects outweigh the side effects of smoking pot, it is not good for your health. It certainly, like other recreational drugs, can easily be abused in using it as a method of not dealing with life's issues.
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:22:59 GMT -5
on the list of carcinigens...acetone(nail polish remover) butane(lighter fuel) about 20 to 50 things under YOUR sink(or wherever you store cleaner, etc.).
the TRUTH is give a mouse massive doses of just about anything and they get some form of cancer.
5000 years of use and NOT one death from overdose, KNOWN for thousands of years to have many medicinal uses.
far safer than caffeine!
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:27:04 GMT -5
so, is your stance that something can not be considered bad for you physically if your body doesn't overdose from it?
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:29:14 GMT -5
no corny that is NOT my stance but you again confirm your purpose whenever you post to me, to DISTORT and twist.
only a twisted human being could take that meaning from my post corny!
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:30:23 GMT -5
of course as corny posted in a thread weeks ago, dictionaries must be set aside in order to discuss issues with corny, because corny makes up his own meanings for words!
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:31:43 GMT -5
"5000 years of use and NOT one death from overdose, KNOWN for thousands of years to have many medicinal uses.
far safer than caffeine!"
You wrote that did you not? How did I twist your stance by ASKING CLARIFICATION of what you are saying? If it is not your stance, then what does the quote above mean?
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Post by espy on Mar 15, 2007 14:34:22 GMT -5
espy, you left out this part of the LONG post: It was not a report, it was an email! I think you missed THIS link: This one contradicts another link on the SAME page: It may not be the worst thing a person could ever do, but all studies agree that smoking pot can cause ill effects on your health. I am not someone who is going to sit around and claim I have never smoked pot. I have. All it ever did was make me sleepy, and cough a lot. There was one link on that page that said it could be used for the treatment of asthma! What kind of idiot would EVER think that inhaling SMOKE could be good for asthma? I do have a friend who says that if you eat it, or smoke it in a pipe or bong, it's better than using papers, because of the chemicals used in the making of paper, and that makes sense, but.....I think I will stay on the side of the law until someone comes out with a definitive answer, and everyone stops contradicting themselves. sorry, I didn't check out all the posts on that site I was just trying to find a good data base for research and haven't had time to go through all of them. The whole thing is this...Marijuana was created by God and has been used throughout history until our government got involved. And the arrogance of our government to make something natural illegal while passing drugs through the FDA which causes many more problems than pot is what we are fighting about.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:34:25 GMT -5
of course as corny posted in a thread weeks ago, dictionaries must be set aside in order to discuss issues with corny, because corny makes up his own meanings for words! No, that is not true. I proved that you were using the word liar incorrectly and it was due to your ignorance of the actual meaning of the word, especially in light of the fact that your definition of the word is not understood to be correct by anybody.
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:35:42 GMT -5
Your insistent use of calling me corny shows how much of a child you are...again, when are you going to mature to your biological age?
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 15, 2007 14:40:18 GMT -5
billt, I guess the small type of the quote option caused you to miss this, from espy's marijuana link:
Myth: No one has ever died from using marijuana The Kaiser study also found that daily pot users have a 30% higher risk of injuries, presumably from accidents. These figures are significant, though not as high as comparable risks for heavy drinkers or tobacco addicts. That pot can cause accidents is scarcely surprising, since marijuana has been shown to degrade short-term memory, concentration, judgment, and coordination at complex tasks including driving.(1) There have been numerous reports of pot-related accidents --- some of them fatal, belying the attractive myth that no one has ever died from marijuana. One survey of 1023 emergency room trauma patients in Baltimore found that fully 34.7% were under the influence of marijuana, more even than alcohol (33.5%); half of these (16.5%) used both pot and alcohol in combination.(2) This is perhaps the most troublesome research ever reported about marijuana; as we shall see, other accident studies have generally found pot to be less dangerous than alcohol. Nonetheless, it is important to be informed on all sides of the issue. Pot smokers should be aware that accidents are the number one hazard of moderate pot use. In addition, of course, the psychoactive effects of cannabis can have many other adverse effects on performance, school work, and productivity
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:41:52 GMT -5
DP, billt isn't interested in facts...only that his opinion is right, so it will be interesting in how he will excuse that fact.
Pot smokers should be aware that accidents are the number one hazard of moderate pot use. In addition, of course, the psychoactive effects of cannabis can have many other adverse effects on performance, school work, and productivity.
All things which effect OTHER PEOPLE.
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 15, 2007 14:42:51 GMT -5
espy, you left out this part of the LONG post: It was not a report, it was an email! I think you missed THIS link: This one contradicts another link on the SAME page: It may not be the worst thing a person could ever do, but all studies agree that smoking pot can cause ill effects on your health. I am not someone who is going to sit around and claim I have never smoked pot. I have. All it ever did was make me sleepy, and cough a lot. There was one link on that page that said it could be used for the treatment of asthma! What kind of idiot would EVER think that inhaling SMOKE could be good for asthma? I do have a friend who says that if you eat it, or smoke it in a pipe or bong, it's better than using papers, because of the chemicals used in the making of paper, and that makes sense, but.....I think I will stay on the side of the law until someone comes out with a definitive answer, and everyone stops contradicting themselves. sorry, I didn't check out all the posts on that site I was just trying to find a good data base for research and haven't had time to go through all of them. The whole thing is this...Marijuana was created by God and has been used throughout history until our government got involved. And the arrogance of our government to make something natural illegal while passing drugs through the FDA which causes many more problems than pot is what we are fighting about. No problem I wasn't trying to start a fight or anything, I just wanted you to see that even the folks that put that link together couldn't agree on the harm/benefit equation of marijuana use.
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Post by espy on Mar 15, 2007 14:44:00 GMT -5
Things that impair or affect judgement, create addiction and can kill you alcohol caffeine tobacco anti-depression drugs ( paxil, zoloft, wellbutrin, prozac.....) narcotic pain relievers.....probably the most abused of all....and by regular law abiding people sugar ( causes diabetes, affects the heart and veins,)
the list goes on and on.
the whole issue is why our government finds it necessary to criminalize this particular drug.
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 15, 2007 14:45:16 GMT -5
I liked this line from the above link quote:
Pot smokers should be aware that accidents are the number one hazard of moderate pot use
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:45:59 GMT -5
espy...marijuana is not the ONLY drug they have criminalized, if it was then your point would be valid.
"caffeine" affects judgement and can kill you? Show some facts to that please.
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Post by espy on Mar 15, 2007 14:46:10 GMT -5
No problem I wasn't trying to start a fight or anything, I just wanted you to see that even the folks that put that link together couldn't agree on the harm/benefit equation of marijuana use.
well duuu....they were stoned
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 15, 2007 14:48:15 GMT -5
Things that impair or affect judgement, create addiction and can kill you alcohol caffeine tobacco anti-depression drugs ( paxil, zoloft, wellbutrin, prozac.....) narcotic pain relievers.....probably the most abused of all....and by regular law abiding people sugar ( causes diabetes, affects the heart and veins,) the list goes on and on. the whole issue is why our government finds it necessary to criminalize this particular drug. Personally, I think it is a tax issue, but that is just my take on it. Marijuana is so easy to cultivate, that it would be very difficult, if not impossible for the government to control the production and growth, therefore it is illegal. Here is a fun "FACT" for you...Did you know that marijuana puts off the same infrared "heat marker" as radishes?
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:49:36 GMT -5
have stated often that not exercising and eating a well balanced diet is bad for you, so clearly it could not be my stance that the only things that can be bad are fatal dose poisons.
corny the problem with YOU and the twisting is, if i say "we have a black cat"....the type response YOU give often, is billt are you claiming ALL cats are black?
when i make a statement about ONE particular drug as above, you CANT twist that into me claiming anything about other substances.
i can say marijuana is safe to use, corny comes back so you think ALL drug use is ok!
corny i tired of your nonsense before and you seriously have some deep rooted problems with truth and reality!
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:52:11 GMT -5
caffeine speeds up metabolism, is FATAL in high enough doses, and has been a HUGE factor in MANY car accidents(people too tired to drive but uysing caffeine to continue)...the truck driver in florida that rammed the school bus had been up for 48 hours and was full of caffeine.
caffeince can be a factor in bladder cancer, urinary tract problems, high blood pressure, stroke, and heart problems.
need more?
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Post by espy on Mar 15, 2007 14:52:36 GMT -5
espy...marijuana is not the ONLY drug they have criminalized, if it was then your point would be valid. "caffeine" affects judgement and can kill you? Show some facts to that please. I really don't have a point except that our government is throwing its big ole hand in peoples business. And caffeine, the only fact is it makes your heart race (for someone who has heart conditions can be fatal), and without your morning coffee buzz most of us cannot concentrate and have decreased productivity......do you disagree
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:53:06 GMT -5
"corny i tired of your nonsense before and you seriously have some deep rooted problems with truth and reality!"
Your opinion doesn't mean all that much considering your mental problems.
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Post by billt on Mar 15, 2007 14:53:08 GMT -5
corny, YOU picked the name cornbread and YOUR posts to me are properly called corny because they ARE!
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:54:20 GMT -5
billt, your a complete idiot. I used to think it was due to all the pot smoking...but it's genetic.
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Post by dixiepixie on Mar 15, 2007 14:54:36 GMT -5
espy...marijuana is not the ONLY drug they have criminalized, if it was then your point would be valid. "caffeine" affects judgement and can kill you? Show some facts to that please. Cocaine used to be legal, and was touted for it's medicinal properties. Now it is a controlled substance that will get you time in the pokey. Cocaine is a "natural" drug derived from the coca plant. As for caffeine, I went off it two years ago, and never had a problem. I was not "addicted" to it. I just switched to decaffeinated products, and bingo, that was it. Of course, I don't have an addictive personality, according to my doctor. The only thing I am really addicted to is sleep...
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Post by espy on Mar 15, 2007 14:55:33 GMT -5
caffeine speeds up metabolism, is FATAL in high enough doses, and has been a HUGE factor in MANY car accidents(people too tired to drive but uysing caffeine to continue)...the truck driver in florida that rammed the school bus had been up for 48 hours and was full of caffeine. caffeince can be a factor in bladder cancer, urinary tract problems, high blood pressure, stroke, and heart problems. need more? even better than I put it...
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Post by phinehas on Mar 15, 2007 14:55:45 GMT -5
corny, YOU picked the name cornbread and YOUR posts to me are properly called corny because they ARE! .....and you're a pot smoking idiot living off of the taxpayer dime while you go out bowling all the time, even though you're "disabled".
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