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Post by richbrout on Feb 23, 2007 8:12:48 GMT -5
It seems to me like every time I read about teachers screwing their kids its good looking heterosxual women that are doing it. Maybe they should be the focus of your witch hunt. How does Hardaways' comments, "I Hate gays" fit into Jesus Christs' message? Simple. They don't. I'm still waiting for Familyfirst, who claims to take the Bible literally, to explain why he doesn't follow the scriptures when it comes to stoning fortune tellers or if he's ever ripped his eyes out after lusting after a woman. If not, I would imagine its because he picks and chooses what in the Bible he emphasizes and what he ignores.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 9:33:30 GMT -5
Rich, your ignorance is overwhelming. You don't know the difference between Old Testament and New Testament scriptures. So you stone fortune tellers? Old Testament: Under their early Theocracy this and others were the laws set by God for his people(Hebrews/Jews). This does not apply today as we aren't governed by a Theocracy. You should count your blessings. You ever lust after a woman? Ever rip your eyes out afterward? Bad interpretation! Allow me to paraphrase this in something you can understand. If your eyes cause you to sin, gouge them out, for it is better to lose your sight than to lose your soul. This verse speaks about not letting SIN get a foothold in your life not pulling your eyeballs out. Do you know what a metaphor is? Of course I can use the brain(or the lack thereof) God gave me to differentiate. I don't take the bible literally in many cases. Then why believe any of it at all?? It's either THE inspired Word or not. Did Noah run around and find a male and female of every species on Earth? No...God called them to Noah. Are we all decendents of incest? Yes....families had to intermarry back then. Did Adam father a child when he was like 800 or 900n yearls old?? Yes again.. Of course not but that has nothing to do with the message of Jesus Christ. I Am not the kind of Christian you are, but I don;t care if you consider me a christian or not. Why should I care about something that is between you and God. Each of us will be held accountable for OUR OWN actions. You're responsible for yourself. Maybe if I went to a MULTI-MILLION $ MEGA-CHurch(maybe like Ken Haggard's), and treated christianity like it was an Amway business, and only socialized with people that think just like I do...maybe then I'd be more like your kinda christian. You are the one that is LOST. Didn't read my last post thoroughly did you? I said I agreed with your points about mega-churches/socialclubs. For your information, I'm one of those right-wing Christian FUNDAMENTALISTs. Does Bob Jones Univ./Greenville SC ring a bell?? The schools creed: I believe in the inspiration of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments; the creation of man by the direct act of God; the incarnation and virgin birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; the ressurection of His body from the tomb; His power to save men from sin; the new birth through the regeneration of the Holy Spirit and the gift of eternal life by the grace of God. What's your creed Rich? HYPOCRIT!! That means alot coming from someone who doesn't take everything in the Bible literally.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 9:44:10 GMT -5
If so, then why did God destroy Sodom and Gommorah? According to Scripture, inhospitality. Wrong.... Gen. 18:32 God told Abraham he wouldn't destroy the city if 10 righteous people could be found. There were less than 10. Gen 19:5 The men of the city sought to have homosexual relations with the visitors. Where else do you think the word Sodomy comes from???
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 9:47:33 GMT -5
It seems to me like every time I read about teachers screwing their kids its good looking heterosxual women that are doing it. Maybe they should be the focus of your witch hunt. How does Hardaways' comments, "I Hate gays" fit into Jesus Christs' message? Simple. They don't. I'm still waiting for Familyfirst, who claims to take the Bible literally, to explain why he doesn't follow the scriptures when it comes to stoning fortune tellers or if he's ever ripped his eyes out after lusting after a woman. If not, I would imagine its because he picks and chooses what in the Bible he emphasizes and what he ignores. Hope you enjoyed the wait. Not everyone works the same shift as you do.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 10:03:57 GMT -5
Reguarding homosexuality and the Bible: Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them up to VILE passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulteres, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of God. What do you have to say to this Rich....or does this not fit your "Worldview" of Christ's message?
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Post by brandon on Feb 23, 2007 11:35:03 GMT -5
Every single one of you gayhaters is a sinner so go read your Bibles and mind your own business.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 23, 2007 11:59:42 GMT -5
Stop helping to spread the HIV virus around the planet with your behaviour. Can we stop funding AIDS research? Can the world stop funding all the various AIDS programs around the world? No, you gaylovers will have a hissy fit. When the funding stops, then it will no longer be my buisness.
With Freedom comes responsibility...you want to engage in behaviours that cause XYZ to occur, then fund your own freakin solutions to the problems with your money alone.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 12:18:31 GMT -5
Every single one of you gayhaters is a sinner so go read your Bibles and mind your own business. It's obvious that you've never read yours or you wouldn't resort to cheap name calling. Show me anywhere in the Bible that gay behavior is condoned and I'll be the first to apologise. Otherwise, find another religion.
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Post by killer on Feb 23, 2007 13:28:42 GMT -5
phinehas wrote, "Stop helping to spread the HIV virus around the planet with your behaviour. Can we stop funding AIDS research? Can the world stop funding all the various AIDS programs around the world? No, you gaylovers will have a hissy fit. When the funding stops, then it will no longer be my buisness. With Freedom comes responsibility...you want to engage in behaviours that cause XYZ to occur, then fund your own freakin solutions to the problems with your money alone." You put that very well and I agree. How did all the funding start anyway? The minority of gays started screaming while the rest of us sat back and only mumbled among ourselves.
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Post by Twista on Feb 23, 2007 15:14:31 GMT -5
phinehas wrote, "Stop helping to spread the HIV virus around the planet with your behaviour. Can we stop funding AIDS research? Can the world stop funding all the various AIDS programs around the world? No, you gaylovers will have a hissy fit. When the funding stops, then it will no longer be my buisness. With Freedom comes responsibility...you want to engage in behaviours that cause XYZ to occur, then fund your own freakin solutions to the problems with your money alone." You put that very well and I agree. How did all the funding start anyway? The minority of gays started screaming while the rest of us sat back and only mumbled among ourselves. I think the gay community slipped under the radar, because everyone else was to preoccupied with their own adultry and other sins... LOL (maybe we need a march for genital herpes?)
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 23, 2007 17:05:35 GMT -5
According to Scripture, inhospitality. Wrong.... Gen. 18:32 God told Abraham he wouldn't destroy the city if 10 righteous people could be found. There were less than 10. Gen 19:5 The men of the city sought to have homosexual relations with the visitors. Where else do you think the word Sodomy comes from??? Ever read the New Testament?
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 23, 2007 17:08:09 GMT -5
Stop helping to spread the HIV virus around the planet with your behaviour. Yeah, because only gay people have AIDS... You know, as horrifying as it is, brandon is right.
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Post by lawman on Feb 23, 2007 17:26:56 GMT -5
Wrong.... Gen. 18:32 God told Abraham he wouldn't destroy the city if 10 righteous people could be found. There were less than 10. Gen 19:5 The men of the city sought to have homosexual relations with the visitors. Where else do you think the word Sodomy comes from??? Ever read the New Testament? Reguarding homosexuality and the Bible: Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them up to VILE passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulteres, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of God. Yes, family1st has read the New Testament and unlike you, has the spiritual insight and Godly perception to understand what God means and is really doing a superb job imparting key points to this forum! God Bless family1st!!!
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 23, 2007 17:28:34 GMT -5
Yes, because, after all, America is a Christian theocracy, and other faiths and practices are Constitutionally prohibited.
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Post by lawman on Feb 23, 2007 17:43:37 GMT -5
Un-True......but your ignorance can't comprehend the TRUTH!
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Post by phinehas on Feb 23, 2007 17:48:53 GMT -5
Stop helping to spread the HIV virus around the planet with your behaviour. Yeah, because only gay people have AIDS... You know, as horrifying as it is, brandon is right. I said stop helping to spread AIDS...I didn't say homosexuality was the only behaviour that spreads AIDS. Read my previous posts where I outlined the behaviours that have contributed to the spread. Homosexuality being only one. Again, like I said before...the "it's ok to do it but be safe" paradigm with these behaviours doesn't work in containing the virus. So, they either need to change what is currently being done or stop funding AIDS research and programs with tax monies and the people that get it will have to deal with it and the innocent people that get it indirectly will be on their heads to deal with.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 23, 2007 18:17:33 GMT -5
Wrong.... Gen. 18:32 God told Abraham he wouldn't destroy the city if 10 righteous people could be found. There were less than 10. Gen 19:5 The men of the city sought to have homosexual relations with the visitors. Where else do you think the word Sodomy comes from??? Ever read the New Testament? As somebody already mentioned Romans...here it is. It's clear as day to what it is speaking about.Rom 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. KJVI'll head it off the pass here..... Nobody is looking a blind eye to all the other sins detailed in the Bible. They are never under any real disagreement, it's just homosexuality seems to be the only one people want to excuse or deny as being something outlined in the Bible as being a sin and something to avoid.
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Post by lawman on Feb 23, 2007 18:20:31 GMT -5
AMEN And needed stressing........for some!
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Post by brandon on Feb 23, 2007 19:37:35 GMT -5
Show me anywhere in the Bible that gay behavior is condoned and I'll be the first to apologise. Otherwise, find another religion. Show me where drinking or blasphemy or adultery or fornication is condoned. What about pride? Do you perhaps think you're better than a homosexual? Are you going to tell me that you've never sinned? What makes their sin any greater than your own? Instead of encouraging gay people to come to your church and sharing God's love, you exclude them. You should be asking them to come sit on the front row as you would your neighbor who cheated on his wife. Or would you exclude him, too? It's all about God's love, isn't it? What a hypocrite. Go read your bible.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 23, 2007 19:38:09 GMT -5
And yet Jesus Christ NEVER MENTIONED IT. Even if homosexuality was a sin (and i don't believe it is), its other people's sin and you should be focused on your own. That is the point.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 20:41:34 GMT -5
Show me anywhere in the Bible that gay behavior is condoned and I'll be the first to apologise. Otherwise, find another religion. Show me where drinking or blasphemy or adultery or fornication is condoned. What about pride? Do you perhaps think you're better than a homosexual? Are you going to tell me that you've never sinned? The difference between a Christian and a non-Christian is this. Christians REPENT and plead forgiveness for their sins. Non-Christians revel in their sin and strive to find means to justify it. ie- turning a blind eye to the above verses or making excuses. What makes their sin any greater than your own? Instead of encouraging gay people to come to your church and sharing God's love, you exclude them. You should be asking them to come sit on the front row as you would your neighbor who cheated on his wife. Or would you exclude him, too? It's all about God's love, isn't it? I take it you and Rich don't believe in Hell either. The classic mantra of the unsaved: If GOD is love, how can He damn anyone to hell? Because He is Holy and Just. What a hypocrite. Go read your bible. Can you actually think of any scriptures that condone homosexuality or will you and Rich continue with your inane diatribes.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 20:44:28 GMT -5
Yes, because, after all, America is a Christian theocracy, and other faiths and practices are Constitutionally prohibited. If this was true you would have been stoned years ago.
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Post by family1st on Feb 23, 2007 20:51:25 GMT -5
And yet Jesus Christ NEVER MENTIONED IT. Even if homosexuality was a sin (and i don't believe it is), its other people's sin and you should be focused on your own. That is the point. What you believe is completely irrelevent. The Bible says it. You can't refute the scriptures given. God the Father, God the Son, the Holy Spirit-3 in one. Anything said by one comes from all. In closing: If the Holy Spirit isn't convicting you of sin, then there is no salvation.
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Post by lawman on Feb 23, 2007 22:40:26 GMT -5
And yet Jesus Christ NEVER MENTIONED IT. Even if homosexuality was a sin (and i don't believe it is), its other people's sin and you should be focused on your own. That is the point. What you believe is completely irrelevent. The Bible says it. You can't refute the scriptures given. God the Father, God the Son, the Holy Spirit-3 in one. Anything said by one comes from all. In closing: If the Holy Spirit isn't convicting you of sin, then there is no salvation. rich is 'playing' Church, like many, many that the book of James speaks of in the New Testament! NO CHRISTIAN COULD MAKE THE STATEMENTS IN ERROR, rich has made! That's not 'judging either, that's speaking TRUTH!
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Post by phinehas on Feb 23, 2007 23:21:35 GMT -5
lawman-
I could be wrong and rich can correct me, but based on his posts in this thread, I don't think he has tried to come off that he is a Christian.....so I don't think he is "playing" church. He isn't a Christian...at least that is what I gather from what he has posted.
If he states he is a Christian, then my comments are retracted.
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Post by lawman on Feb 24, 2007 0:04:47 GMT -5
lawman- I could be wrong and rich can correct me, but based on his posts in this thread, I don't think he has tried to come off that he is a Christian.....so I don't think he is "playing" church. He isn't a Christian...at least that is what I gather from what he has posted. If he states he is a Christian, then my comments are retracted. I think you can have it both ways. I am a Christian because the teachings of Christ make sense. I don't believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old or that Adam lived to be 900 something, but those things are not critical to understanding Christs' message. I osmetimes wonder all this other stuff lasted this long...it seems counterproductive to bringing people to christianity....i mean, the message of Christ can stand on its own. YOU STAND CORRECTED! I knew I remembered rich stating he 'thought' he was a Christian! As you see, rich said, ''I am a Christian because the teachings of Christ make sense.''--- In the 'Flat Earth' Thread
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Post by phinehas on Feb 24, 2007 0:15:44 GMT -5
I indeed stand corrected, must have missed that between all the other posts that gave me a different impression.
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Post by lawman on Feb 24, 2007 0:29:29 GMT -5
I indeed stand corrected, must have missed that between all the other posts that gave me a different impression. And the confusing, deceiving part of this, to the Secular World, is that their are thousands of 'rich's' that speak as Christian's.....and ARE NOT!
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Post by phinehas on Feb 24, 2007 0:30:38 GMT -5
It's not very clear though....
"Why do Christians think their opinion matters about how other people live their sexual lives. Its so hypocritical. They don't say peep about heterosexual infidelity, promiscuity, the ridiculous 50% divorce rate....No when they start to think of how to address "Sexual issues" to work on they want to start with (by definition) someone else's "sin"-Didn't Jesus say take care of the beam in your eye and don't worry about the splinter in your neighbor's.
I'm not gay, but I do know AMERICA is about FREEDOM for ALL PEOPLE.....what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business!!!"
The use of word "they" when referencing Christians, usually dictates that the one saying it, is not part of the group.
"There are MANY people in this country that are not Christian and many that do not believe in God. They have all the rights that you do and this is as much THEIR country as yours."
He didn't say "we", he said, "you".
"I think you will find it counterproductive to your goals"
"your" goals, not "our" goals.
"I Am not the kind of Christian you are, but I don;t care if you consider me a christian or not."
He is saying he is a Christian here.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 24, 2007 0:37:15 GMT -5
rich it is obvious that if you are a Christian, you haven't been in many churches. I have YET after being a member of three churches, two of them being different denominations, heard a sermon on homosexuality. Every sermon I have heard regarding sin issues has been what effects everyone. So, to think that Christians in churches, mega or not, are pre-occupied with homosexual's sins and not their own they struggle with, is incorrect.
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