Post by MaccusGermanis on Mar 2, 2007 23:34:39 GMT -5
blondie said:
The New Testament canon is random compared to the Koran.The koran itself contains an explanation that whatever is revealed last is better than what was revealed before. The koran admits that it contradicts itself. And sets up a tradition of abrogation to rule between these contradictions.
Can you guess which passages have been revealed last? The most violent, written when mo' led an army, do abrogate any of the compromises made when a small number of muslims lived in Mecca.
Furthermore the koran made such little sense by its self, hadiths were collected after mo's death to better understand what was had been intended by the writer. The acceptance of these hadith is still not canonized but most authoritative sources are in remarkable agreement about those reinforcing the most violent verses of the koran. Abrogation is after all directly koranic and not based on either a strong or weak hadith.
I am not terribly concerned with how random you think the New Testament canon is. How violent do you find the canon or heresies to be?
blondie said:
All evidence points to it being compiled for political, rather than supernatural, reasons.Islam makes no pretense about not having political motive.
blondie said:
This doesn't seem to bother Christians.blondie said:
It's hard to find the revealed truth in it.blondie said:
I like to use Saint Paul as a clear example of a Christian who had one of these revelations and wrote about it.blondie said:
I know how Christians in America practice their faith and I know how Muslims in America practice theirs.blondie said:
The vast majority of each are peaceful.blondie said:
American Muslims don't have sex with 9-year-old girls.Even this article laments, "Often, non-Muslim ethics work their way into the Muslim's belief system. Not permitting our young daughters and sons to marry at a young age, or not encouraging them to do so, is part of that ethic." www.islamonline.net/iol-english/dowalia/society-27-12/society1.asp
Hopefully the indeterminate young age refered to in the article is not nine.
blondie said:
They have the same basic ethical system as Christians and Atheists.blondie said:
Why do you keep trying to vilify them?I do not often "vilify" muslims. I constantly have said that islam is the root of the problem. I have shown examples of random adherence to what is known to be the tradition of islam in response to the denial that islam does inspire violence.
blondie said:
It's easy for Atheists and Muslims to find all kind of crazy thing in the Bible and horrible examples of Christian atrocities.It is unfortunate for your shared anti-Christian cause that even the most egregious examples of supposedly Christian atrocities exhibit not only the need for the reform of societies but also a history of that reform having taken place. You fail to show any link between what you call "Christian" atrocities and the example -or call it the myth- of Christ.
Islam has never exhibited such reform. Violence is the example set by mo'.
blondie said:
I could go further and insist that Christians who don't accept the evidence of Jesus being gay or don't persecute Jews aren't real Christians, but that would be ridiculous. This is exactly what you're doing in regards to Islam.Also it is clear to most Christians that Christians are a "branch" of Judaism. Most Christians have biblically inspired Zionist tendencies. Even Luther that did early advance a theory of replacement did himself recant that theory. Again, a Christian corrects his own mistake.
Persecution of Jews is encouraged by the koran. Such persecution was conducted by mo' himself.
Making these distinctions is not just as ridiculous as your prejudice. It is what an honest atheist should be able to do for themselves.
blondie said:
Al-Qaeda can be compared to Christian Identity. I have no such fear.
Al-Qaeda, the self proclaimed "base" does base their actions on well established -in fact the best established- islamic traditions and authoritative writings.
Christian Identity does base their non-action on obscure and largely unverified heretical text - have you ever actually seen the text they refer too- in stark contrast to the most established Christian traditions. I say non-action because these jerks haven't ever pulled off an assault on any foreign nation -no that would require broader support from the societies in which they live.....
blondie said:
Most Christians and Muslims are just regular folk.blondie said:
Since I don't believe in revealed truth, and I'm a postmodernist, I equate all supernatural worldviews. blondie said:
If I compare the validity of al-Quaeda with the Quakers I'm being consistent.blondie said:
The very nature of revealed truth removes it from scrutiny. blondie said:
Revelation can be absolutely random.blondie said:
If some God revealed that having sex with little kids and killing people who disagreed with you was the way to go this would be the ultimate "good." blondie said:
I reject all revealed truth. blondie said:
Just because you like the current American interpretation of Christianity doesn't say anything about it's veracity.blondie said:
The similarities between Jesus and Dionysus are pretty wild, huh? I've always assumed Jesus was a real guy (though not magic) but the more I learn about classic religion and mythology the more he's starting to look a lot more like just another Greek God.Edit:typos