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Post by lawman on Mar 31, 2007 16:50:07 GMT -5
To those who really do have to use food stamps...I believe 'many' soldiers have had to..,..are you content insulting them!?? You are disgusting!!!!!!!
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Post by lawman on Mar 31, 2007 17:05:17 GMT -5
Actually, it is my belief that ALL faiths are based on the same God, it is man that has perverted God to suit their own needs. But you wouldn't know anything about what I believe, you just want to slam people of faith. I am willing to bet it's because YOU are so insecure in your own beliefs, you can not stand it that others find peace and hope in their faith. You brought up Pascal's wager. It doesn't make any since if you're a new-ager or a Hindu. Do you think the Satanists worship the same god as you? How about Zeus, does he count? Ganesha? Shiva? Ishtar? What about the great big idol with the golden head? Does it count? The golden calf? David Koresh? Just for the record it was you that insulted me as usual. I'm very secure in my beliefs. Why shouldn't I be? 100% of the evidence backs me up. An example of your love and kindness toward blondie! As WE can all see, blondie says....just as SO Many of us have experienced.......''Just for the record it was you that insulted me as usual.''YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE....YOUR POSTS SPEAK VOLUMES AGAINST, FOR OVER A YEAR!---You're a Fraud!
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Post by espy on Mar 31, 2007 18:21:36 GMT -5
See, she's just a continuing EVIL antagonizer and a Witch.....there are those, in case no one knew that! You don't apologize to demon-filled people for exposing them! Christians are to love everyone even their enemies. And aren't you antagonizing her by continuing with your insults to her? May I remind you of what you said to me........ <QUOTE> Now you're acting like the devil......CAREFUL! <QUOTE> That's why you can only say what God leads you to say.....and go on! Dint be a hypocrite because you don't like someone.
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Post by dixie56 on Mar 31, 2007 21:10:52 GMT -5
Treason knows no bounds, it is on both sides of the isle. It is not party, it is character. It is about greed, self centerness and no morals or ethics. It has NOTHING to do with party.
Until we understand that and start voting for people with the RIGHT STUFF, then we will continue to get what we always have!
Until we understand that we can no longer trust our own government (which we have always been taught that they are there to take care of us) we have a real problem. I love my Country, however, I cannot sit back and watch this administration destroy it and accept it! I realize now (after much research) this has been coming for a long time. Slow and steady so no one will notice.
Trust your instincts and your gut. It will seldom steer you wrong!
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 31, 2007 21:20:17 GMT -5
I just don't see these grand conspiracies under this Administration just as I didn't see them under the prior Clinton Administration, who, I think, were far more 'internationalist' in their foreign policy than this one (considering the fact that we are engaged in a real shhoting war under Bush, whilst the interventions under the Clinton Administration were clearly with no national interest at issue).
I remember a guy that runs a local coin shop with which I dealt gave me a videotape that claimed to 'prove' that Bill Clinton was importing drugs via a small airfield in Arkansas and that he had ordered mob-style 'hits' on Ron Brown and Vince Foster. Now these folks that did the tape were affiliated with the Right, as I guess I am, but I have no trouble whatsoever denouncing them and their nonsensical conspiracy theories. Clinton might well have been many unethical things and done lots of unsavory things but I don't think drug dealing and murder were among his offenses.
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Post by lawman on Mar 31, 2007 21:27:56 GMT -5
Maybe you don't want to see any wrong? Maybe you're in denial? Maybe you just go along to 'get along?' Maybe you're just blind and/or closed-minded?
But most of all....Maybe you're plain wrong!
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Post by espy on Mar 31, 2007 21:39:09 GMT -5
Maybe you don't want to see any wrong? Maybe you're in denial? Maybe you just go along to 'get along?' Maybe you're just blind and/or closed-minded? But most of all....Maybe you're plain wrong! who are you talking to???.....W.O.M.I., me?? If you happen to be talking to me........It doesn't matter........move on... If your not......then quote who your response is too....
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Post by W.O.M.I on Mar 31, 2007 21:40:26 GMT -5
lawman- I'll be glad to start an official "Rosie Is An Idiot" thread if you want me to take her, well, idiocy seriously. But before you go along with that proposal, I'd ask that you read the link I'm going to provide that takes on Rosie's assertions about WTC7 being imploded and that 'fire never melt steel'. Rosie, as you no doubt know, said that no experts had been able to explain just what happened to bring down WTC7 and just how 'mere' fire managed to bring down the Twin Towers. Well, Popular Mechanics magazine- a noted highly partisan right-wing magazine you'll no doubt claim- does just that in it's March 30th edition: www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.htmlHere are a couple of salient points: And: Rosie shows incredible ignorance here because she obviously doesn't understand that steel has more than two states- 'normal' and 'melted'. Rosie doesn't understand that, for steel to fail, it has to be only weakened, not melted. I'd think that would be basic high school physics....which shows you the limits to Rosie's education. Rosie obviously does not know that Popular Mechanics indeed wrote an entire book that debunks precisely the sort of lies that she is spouting- that book is called "Debunking 9/11 Myths". As Rosie might say, "Google it!" She should take her own advice.....
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 1, 2007 3:17:44 GMT -5
To those who really do have to use food stamps...I believe 'many' soldiers have had to..,..are you content insulting them!?? You are disgusting!!!!!!! Actually, I ws insulting you, the shiftless freeloading forum troll who couldn't stand the heat of having his Karma rated so he deleted his account...Awwww Poor sad thing. Cry me a river. If you don't like my thoughts or you think some of my sinner germs might jump off on your Purer than Christ soul, DON'T READ MY POSTS! That is a simple cure for your "Holier than Thou" disease you have going on here.
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 3:23:55 GMT -5
The same for you, you LYING, WORTHLESS, 'CON-WOMAN, EVIL, worker with the demons 'nut-job!
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 1, 2007 3:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by deovindice on Apr 1, 2007 11:26:11 GMT -5
A lot of the conspiracy theories offered up these days are merely cases of wishful thinking concocted by the authors of opinions that lie on shaky ground, however, view things now going on in the country and the world through the prism of your own realm of common sense. It defies all logic to proclaim a threat of terrorist attack and then leave our borders so unsecured. It completely demolishes the credibility of both the suggestion and the one suggesting it. I am tiring of the redundancy of expressing this position, but it is so simply obvious that if one wishes to keep bad people out of his house, he locks the doors. It just doesn't get any simpler than that. Further, there are those who suggest that Bush continues down this path in the interests of Corporate America in order to ensure the existence of an adequate workforce to continue our economic prosperity. If the president, more respectful of the wishes of his political supporters than cognizant of the requirements to ensure our national security, i.e. the basic step of controlling entry, then he displays either the symptoms of mental disorder or a complete apathy toward the aforementioned. Forgive me, but any denial of this assessment constitutes a lack of objectivity and is indicative of the mentality of an apologist. (Submitted with the utmost respect.) I have seen the list of people with whom the Clintons had contact who suffered untimely and questionable deaths. Coincidence? Perhaps, and perhaps not. Yet the truth is that one doesn't need to rely on conspiracy theories per se. Conspiracy theories emanate from a lack of information. Lack of substantive information is what the MSM and the government are all about. It is up to us to discern the truth of matters of importance. Some are no-brainers, like the border situation. Some require a little thought, such as 9/11. Did the government play a role, directly or indirectly, in the attack on the WTC? I don't know, but I don't rule it out. Yet it doesn't really matter at this point. The important thing to remember is that the event was used as the genesis for our involvement in Iraq. It was used as the genesis for the "war on terror". We haven't had any other attacks on this nation since. Why? Is that because of competence and diligence suddenly rediscovered on the part of the government? The border remains like a sieve, and any reported "attempts" at terrorist activity seem to remain centered around civilian aviation. Yet, knowing well that the bulk of our security measures are geared toward that medium, can we assume that the terrorists are so inept as to not change their tactics and modes of delivery as they have done in combating our forces in Iraq? Furthermore, if our country is as inundated with terrorist sleeper cells as our government would have us believe, knowing full well that support for the war is waning, and knowing that a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq has been discussed for some time now, then why aren't they attacking now rather than waiting for our troops to come home? Or is the thought of having the Army back and intact within our borders to be used to facilitate a takeover, based on either the mere suggestion of terrorist threat or the real thing, perhaps the desire of some in our government? All of these are POSSIBLE. Yes possible. Remember Lord Acton's words: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. So many of Bush's actions have been based upon a mentality that he has some semblance of absolute power in that we are at war. His blatant dismissal of the Constitutional provision of judicial oversight regarding eavesdropping and domestic spying is telling. Just look at all the revelations of misconduct coming out of AG Gonzalez's little Balkan duchy now. Is there perhaps another reason for the war? Clinton bombed Serbia to divert attention from his peccadilloes involving the First Member and a stained dress. Is Bush attempting to divert our attention away from his efforts to unite us with Mexico and Canada? He certainly has the vehicle to accomplish this unification by having signed agreements with those and other nations. SPP. NAFTA. CAFTA. SHAFTA. A Superhighway for this purpose is now under construction...........and that by a Spanish company. More questions than answers. That suggests, or rather reinforces the fact that we have taken on far too many problems of the rest of the world. That means we must concentrate on our domestic concerns before they are inundated by the deluge of foreign/international concerns that we have allowed ourselves to become involved with. All comers are stepping up the American buffet, and the President stands ready to dish up our wealth to them while wishing them a hearty "Bon Appetite". Conspiracy theory? Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. George Washington 1796 - Farewell Address
Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence. Alexander Hamilton 1793 - Pacificus, No. 6
I have been happy... in believing that... whatever follies we may be led into as to foreign nations, we shall never give up our Union, the last anchor of our hope, and that alone which is to prevent this heavenly country from becoming an arena of gladiators. Thomas Jefferson 1797 - letter to Elbridge GerryI don't think so.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 1, 2007 14:35:09 GMT -5
lawman-
I'm curious...do you think that Rosie was "speaking truth" when she said:
"Wait just one second. Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America..."
(from "The View", Sept 12th, 2006)
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 1, 2007 15:03:16 GMT -5
You and I are of one mind when it comes to this point.
Even as I understand- or at least I think I do- why the President and politicians of both Partys pusue this (insane) course of action, I don't agree nor do I support it.
After all, one need look only at France and what the unfettered importation of 'cheap labor' has done to them, both economically and socially.
The problem comes when folks take what limited information that is generally available, add in their own biases and, very quickly, two plus two equals five.
What happened to a presumption of innocense? Maybe Watergate took that away from us. But it needs to be returned quickly because, as I said elsewhere, 'legitimate investigations' and 'partisan witch hunts' are two sides of the same coin separated only by perspective.
I read an 'open letter' on some websight entitled "I'm John Doe".
It was an open letter written to the editor of a major newspaper- I forget which- and it basically was a warning to would-be terrorists that anonymous Americans- "John Does" if you will- are watching for potential terrorists.
Maybe that's overly simplistic, but I think that typical Americans are being a bit more observant of what's going on around them than we were prior to 9/11. I won't go so far as to say we're paranoid....but then again if there is someone who demonstrably is out to get you, then you're not really paranoid, are you?
I have little doubt that average Americans being observant along with more vigilant law enforcement- and the recognition that there really is a threat against us- has much to do with why we haven't been successfully attacked on our home soil since 9/11. Couple that with the fact that al Qeida's 'red shirts' are being given the Eternal Celestial Dirt Nap by the thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan (and probably (certainly?) other places we don't know about...at least until the NY Times reports on them) and the argument that we are not safer now than we were prior to 9/11 is rendered laughable (not that you were making such an argument).
The eavesdropping and wiretapping flap was much ado about nothing. The rights of no American were violated and frankly I don't give a rodent's rectum about the supposed 'rights' of the Jihadists. They deserve no more rights from us than we can expect from them.
The same for the AG non-story. Even the Democrats who are demagoguing this admit that there were no laws broken...and don't you think that they'd not make that assertion if it were at all possible to pin a crime for something on someone in the Bush Administration? If you have any doubts, just ask Scooter Libby about that....
The problem, again, is that, for this and other theories to have any semblence of coherency, one must fill in the gaps with baseless supposition and conjecture.
In the case of Bush having some master plan to unite North America, I think one need only look at his 'robust' foreign policy to prove that a lie. I don't think any Preisident, other than Reagan, in the last 60 years has asserted US sovereignty to a greater degree than Bush has.
Clinton (and Bush 41 to for that matter) did bow at the altar of the United Nations. Kerry said that he would. Gore never had to answer that but I think it more than reasonable to think that he'd have no qualms whatsoever to sublimating US national interests to those of the United Nations (look at his rabid support for Kyoto).
Bush did go to the UN to obtain 'legitimacy' from the international community to attack Afghanistan and Iraq- and he got it (though I question the need and/or desirability of his doing so because it gives the UN a status that it does not deserve). But does anyone truly doubt that Bush would have attacked those nations even if China or Russia had said no? And why? Because he puts the interests of the United States above those of the international community.
I can agree that the Mexican invasion- for lack of a better term- does present a security threat to the US and it's one that I don't think Bush wants to recognize because of his affinity for the Hispanic community, his (probably correct) conclusion that, to deport the millions of illegals would push Hispanics into the Democrat voter roles for practically all time, and his ties to the business community (a reliable Republican voting block). Bush has shown a remakable capability to make the tough decisions and stick by them because it is the right thing to do, even if it's not the popular thing to do. I wish he'd show that capability in this area.
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Post by blondie on Apr 1, 2007 15:12:55 GMT -5
See, she's just a continuing EVIL antagonizer and a Witch.....there are those, in case no one knew that! You don't apologize to demon-filled people for exposing them! Christians are to love everyone even their enemies. And aren't you antagonizing her by continuing with your insults to her? May I remind you of what you said to me........ <QUOTE> Now you're acting like the devil......CAREFUL! <QUOTE> That's why you can only say what God leads you to say.....and go on! Dint be a hypocrite because you don't like someone. No, no. Christians are suppose to hate ;D Luke 14:26 (King James Version) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. You're doing a fine job espy.
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 15:43:13 GMT -5
The same for you, you LYING, WORTHLESS, 'CON-WOMAN, EVIL, worker with the demons 'nut-job! Let the true colors fly...
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 15:46:37 GMT -5
blondie......I don't even know how to respond to that .......but keep 'um comin.....I don't know what we would do without your comic relief
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 20:12:57 GMT -5
lawman- I'm curious...do you think that Rosie was "speaking truth" when she said: "Wait just one second. Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America..." (from "The View", Sept 12th, 2006) You seem to be obsessed with my statement regarding Rosie and Keith....so here is clarification; I simply and ONLY have agreed with both their 'outspoken' stances regarding this disaster of Iraq!!!
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 1, 2007 20:13:50 GMT -5
Maybe someone who's been on here a while can set this straight. Is lawman for real? I get the feeling that he just comes on here for the fun of bashing people and for nothing else. Whatever floats your boat.....
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 1, 2007 20:15:10 GMT -5
No, no. Christians are suppose to hate ;D Luke 14:26 (King James Version) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. You're doing a fine job espy. Hey! Good thing context doesn't matter, right? ;D
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 20:20:11 GMT -5
Maybe someone who's been on here a while can set this straight. Is lawman for real? I get the feeling that he just comes on here for the fun of bashing people and for nothing else. Whatever floats your boat..... Strange isn't it...OR IS IT? No, what you accuse me of .....YOU DO!---Provoke and incite.....your type is the pure Hypocrite!
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 20:22:56 GMT -5
Maybe someone who's been on here a while can set this straight. Is lawman for real? I get the feeling that he just comes on here for the fun of bashing people and for nothing else. Whatever floats your boat..... Strange isn't it...OR IS IT? No, what you accuse me of .....YOU DO!---Provoke and incite.....your type is the pure Hypocrite! PLEASE JUST GIVE IT A REST.......PLEASE
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 20:26:04 GMT -5
lawman....you have gone from somewhat intelligent post to 5th grade antics...what is the deal? ? Just stick to the topics and give these ridiculous posts a rest... I think we have seen enough. I wonder if lawman is somehow related to this website, and like you said, zoomixer, he is just here to stir things up.....I cant figure it out....
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 20:30:02 GMT -5
The only thing left to do is to ignore his/her post...until heshe grows up.
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Post by lawman on Apr 1, 2007 20:33:01 GMT -5
The same for you, you LYING, WORTHLESS, 'CON-WOMAN, EVIL, worker with the demons 'nut-job! Let the true colors fly... Back off, Devils advocate!You have shown the true colors---Support the evil one, and criticize the 'brother!'
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 1, 2007 20:36:46 GMT -5
Maybe someone who's been on here a while can set this straight. Is lawman for real? I get the feeling that he just comes on here for the fun of bashing people and for nothing else. Whatever floats your boat..... Strange isn't it...OR IS IT? No, what you accuse me of .....YOU DO!---Provoke and incite.....your type is the pure Hypocrite! Nice. I would love for you to provide some proof to this absurd statement.
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Post by zoomixer on Apr 1, 2007 20:37:56 GMT -5
Let the true colors fly... Back off, Devils advocate!You have shown the true colors---Support the evil one, and criticize the 'brother!' Hey! Cool. My previous comment would apply here as well! "Nice. I would love for you to provide some proof to this absurd statement."
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Post by espy on Apr 1, 2007 20:41:17 GMT -5
Let the true colors fly... Back off, Devils advocate!You have shown the true colors---Support the evil one, and criticize the 'brother!' I do not support evil I only support peoples right to be here, and you throw criticizing a brother in my face but it was you who let me have it when I was going back and fourth with blondie, now just because you have gone on a rant toward everyone, its ok for you to act like the devil. You just got though calling zoomixer a hypocrite but you are becoming a hypocrite, I know you don't want too, but the Christian thing to do would be to apologize to everyone you have called names and MOVE ON as you put it.
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Post by deovindice on Apr 2, 2007 4:44:53 GMT -5
Look as well at Germany, the Netherlands. The Scandinavian countries are having serious problems in this area. Due to the "Spirit of Party" that pervades in D.C., I no longer expect "legitimate investigations". The Dems are a bit more predisposed toward "witch hunts", but the other side conducts them as well. People are more vigilant, to be sure. I don't consider these issues irrelevant. I still maintain that the process under which the wire tapping was conducted lacked the proper constitutionally mandated judicial oversight. It was a small problem that the President could have corrected, but didn't. AG Gonzalez is a fascist in hiding. I made wrong calls about some of Bush's appointees. I harshly criticized Rogers as being marginal, I was only lukewarm on Alito because I wanted a more died-in-the-wool strict constitutionalist along the lines of a Roy Moore or Robert Bork. Most of them have been okay. Gates seems to be a decent one. However, Gonzalez is a fascist. Sorry. A robust foreign policy can be used as cover to implement his designs regarding a unification. ............and even with a North American Union, don't you think HE wants to be the big cheese? Power will still remain in Washington. Thus, considering his internationalist tendencies, he will still maintain his current foreign policy objectives. A proper foreign policy, ala one based on the intent of the Founders, would be to send them flowers, greeting cards, and State Department dinner invitations. Considering the amount of our debt that the Chinese are buying up, he may well have not attacked. I agree, however, that going to the UN for anything is improper. I see more danger here than you do, but we basically agree on this point.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 2, 2007 19:55:22 GMT -5
lawman- I'm curious...do you think that Rosie was "speaking truth" when she said: "Wait just one second. Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America..." (from "The View", Sept 12th, 2006) You seem to be obsessed with my statement regarding Rosie and Keith....so here is clarification; I simply and ONLY have agreed with both their 'outspoken' stances regarding this disaster of Iraq!!! Thank you for clarifying your position. Thought I distinctly recall that you mentioned no specifics when you said before that Rosie and Olbermann "speak truth". You really need to narrow doen the context there. I mean even I can't say that Olbermann lies all the time...he does, for instance, begin and end the show by saying that he, Keith Olbermann, hosts the show. Of course, the other 99.9975% of the show is a continual parade of lies..... But I give him credit- magnanimously, I'd say, for that .0025% that he gets right. It's something to build on and should prove to be a rather easy number on which to improve. Even for him....
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