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Post by blondie on Jan 30, 2007 16:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by billt on Jan 30, 2007 17:45:37 GMT -5
the EPA also claims that second hand smoke is harmful, even says it kills over 3000 people each year.
there is NO science to back those claims, ZERO.
ALL that was found was an INsignificant stat link to some diseases based on peoples recollections.
i can show you a 100% stat link, EVERYBODY that ever lived drank water, ALL of them died, according to the stat linkage drinking water increases your "risk" of dying INFINITELY!
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Post by phinehas on Jan 30, 2007 18:15:19 GMT -5
"At close, Pat Gillen remarked to Judge Jones, “Your honor, by my reckoning we have been here 40 days. That seems an auspicious number.” Jones replied, “So it seems, but it was not designed!” At which point the courtroom burst out in applause. Jones let that go on for about 15 seconds, then adjourned the court."
That sounds like a bias to me.
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Post by dixiepixie on Jan 30, 2007 19:16:32 GMT -5
the EPA also claims that second hand smoke is harmful, even says it kills over 3000 people each year. there is NO science to back those claims, ZERO. ALL that was found was an INsignificant stat link to some diseases based on peoples recollections. i can show you a 100% stat link, EVERYBODY that ever lived drank water, ALL of them died, according to the stat linkage drinking water increases your "risk" of dying INFINITELY! What does second hand smoke have to do with global warming? 25 years ago the weather people were predicting a new ice age, and I know for a FACT that my son's asthma gets more pronounced when he is around someone who is smoking. Do the two things have anything in common?
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Post by billt on Jan 30, 2007 19:26:18 GMT -5
the EPA was used as an authoritative source...i was pointing out the LACK of credibility that the EPA actually has.
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Post by dixiepixie on Jan 30, 2007 19:30:06 GMT -5
the EPA was used as an authoritative source...i was pointing out the LACK of credibility that the EPA actually has. OK, thanks for the connection, that was what I was looking for.
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Post by blondie on Jan 31, 2007 9:59:23 GMT -5
25 years ago the weather people were predicting a new ice age, This is one of my favorite right-wing talking points. Yes, Newsweek did publish an article on global cooling in the 1970s. This is a canned reply by global warming deniers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_coolingWhen Rush Limbaugh was developing his shtick one of the straw man enemies he developed was the "environmental wacko." All of his imitators followed the formula. The only people left on the planet who deny global warming are right-wing nut jobs like James Spann, who can't stand the fact that not only were the "environmental wackos" right but they just might have saved humanity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_changeRead Spann's bio. He's not much of a scientist. He's a radio guy. He also wears his religion and neo-conism in his shoulder. Just like most people in America who don't believe in science. www.jamesspann.com/spann.html
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Post by billt on Jan 31, 2007 10:09:33 GMT -5
blondie, please present ONE shred of evidence that humans are CAUSING global wqarming?
ONE shred that shows that CHANGE isnt the NORM for this planet?
there are natural patterns of warming and cooling, they have been going on for millions of years, when did humans assume CONTROL over these patterns and how did we do it?
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Post by phinehas on Jan 31, 2007 10:27:52 GMT -5
"Read Spann's bio. He's not much of a scientist. He's a radio guy. He also wears his religion and neo-conism in his shoulder. Just like most people in America who don't believe in science."
Where do you gather that he wears his religion and neo-conism "on" his shoulder? Because at the end of his bio he says, "God Bless"? I don't read any political comments on his bio at all.
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 31, 2007 10:54:26 GMT -5
Read Spann's bio. He's not much of a scientist. He's a radio guy. He also wears his religion and neo-conism in his shoulder. Just like most people in America who don't believe in science. www.jamesspann.com/spann.html Guess what Blondie I am a christian and I love science whats wrong with me
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Post by blondie on Jan 31, 2007 11:05:49 GMT -5
lovinusa,
If your a Christian and love science how do you feel about the fact that science tells us that Christ's resurrection was impossible?
Is it not really science or is it not really Christianity?
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Post by blondie on Jan 31, 2007 11:20:38 GMT -5
blondie, please present ONE shred of evidence that humans are CAUSING global warming? ONE shred that shows that CHANGE isn't the NORM for this planet? there are natural patterns of warming and cooling, they have been going on for millions of years, when did humans assume CONTROL over these patterns and how did we do it? I'm no expert in global warming. We American's use our tax dollars to hire experts. They agree with the experts of other countries. You, too, can go to school and become an expert on global warming. If your research proves Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh right and all the experts wrong you can publish your findings in a peer-reviewed journal. It would be so revolutionary you could become a rich and famous media darling. I don't see what you're waiting for. You can start your writing career here: www.earthscan.co.uk/news/article/mps/uan/275/v/6/sp/In the mean time, I'll stick with what the experts are saying.
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Post by billt on Jan 31, 2007 11:30:40 GMT -5
thank you blondie for the honest admission that you KNOW NOTHING about the science of this debate and are merely parroting what others claim.
i already acquired that education and can discuss this on a scientific level, but NO POINT in trying with someone that doesnt understand even the most BASIC concepts involved.
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Post by blondie on Jan 31, 2007 11:44:42 GMT -5
Billt, You're educated about climate change? Really? And you don't believe that pollution is contributing to global warming? I see a golden opportunity here. We can start a website. I'll use your data to build it. Tell me where I can find your research? I'll phone ahead and warn these guys were coming. www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/f101.asp#1
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 31, 2007 12:16:29 GMT -5
Science is just someones hypothesis on what they think to be true. Yes "science" says it is impossible, but, what does science have to do with Faith. Look at medicines. In general most medicines work for most people. To hear what the scientists say themselves, they do not work for all people. On the global warming issue not all scientist believe this to be true there is a large number who believe it all to be cyclical. Science is not perfect, man is not perfect. check out this Scientific sites opinion: www.predictweather.com/global_warming/index.asplooking at this Hypothesis it would explain the Chicago/Pestigo fires the blizzards in the Midwest of the late 70's the heat waves in Chicago in the early 80's the erratic hurricanes seasons all the time. your thoughts?
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Post by blondie on Jan 31, 2007 12:54:44 GMT -5
Lovinusa, Why did you have to go all the way to New Zealand to find a "long range" weather forecaster to prove your point? Unlike every other scientist in the world this guy thinks global warming is caused by the moon. Above I linked to the EPA. Who do you trust? Science is just a system for finding out about the natural world. It's not just another alternative to pretending. I think you need a Baloney Detection Kit: users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.htmlHere's how to spot a Quack: www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/signs.htmlI hope this helps.
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Post by billt on Jan 31, 2007 14:36:14 GMT -5
that the earth has warmed and cooled in cycles throughtout its last billion years is a FACT.
BEFORE you even begin to claim humans are the CAUSE of warming now you must show PROOF that the natural cycle has CEASED and no longer applies!
as to the present science of human caused GW there is NONE. there IS a hypothesis that CANT be proven so on its face it CANT even advance to being a theory.
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Post by blondie on Jan 31, 2007 15:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by billt on Jan 31, 2007 15:31:23 GMT -5
this board can take this comment anyway you desire....my ability to think has been tested a few times and the scores indicated to top 1% of humanity.
common sense....co2 is a necessary component of LIFE on this planet, we exhale it, anyone that claims co2 is a "pollutant" has lost touch with reality!
blondie you keep demanding things from me yet, you have given NOTHING to back your position.
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Post by brandon on Jan 31, 2007 16:37:57 GMT -5
The only people left on the planet who deny global warming are right-wing nut jobs like James Spann, who can't stand the fact that not only were the "environmental wackos" right but they just might have saved humanity. Yeah, they're wackos.
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Post by richbrout on Feb 1, 2007 8:29:39 GMT -5
As a Democrat.....I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope Republicans continue to tell Americans:
1. Global warming isn't caused by Humans. (by drilling to a depth of 3 kilometers in the Anartic ice core, british scientists can determine CO2 levels going back 740,000 years. The CO2 levels from 740,000 years ago till just before the Indusrial Revolution were 200 ppm (parts per million) to 270 ppm. The 2004 measurements were 377 ppm!!!!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have MILLIONS of automobiles throwing out carbon dioxide and are deforesting the planet of its Carbon dioxide converters(trees), its the reason!!!!
2. We are winning the war in Iraq. 3. 5.15$ an hour is a livable wage. 4. There is nothing wrong with health care in America. 5. Illegals are taking over the country nad we are going to hades in a handbasket.
The disconnect between the right wingers and middle class America is clear.
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Post by lovinusa on Feb 1, 2007 12:48:52 GMT -5
As a Democrat.....I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope Republicans continue to tell Americans: 1. Global warming isn't caused by Humans. (by drilling to a depth of 3 kilometers in the Anartic ice core, british scientists can determine CO2 levels going back 740,000 years. The CO2 levels from 740,000 years ago till just before the Indusrial Revolution were 200 ppm (parts per million) to 270 ppm. The 2004 measurements were 377 ppm!!!!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have MILLIONS of automobiles throwing out carbon dioxide and are deforesting the planet of its Carbon dioxide converters(trees), its the reason!!!! 2. We are winning the war in Iraq. 3. 5.15$ an hour is a livable wage. 4. There is nothing wrong with health care in America. 5. Illegals are taking over the country nad we are going to hades in a handbasket. The disconnect between the right wingers and middle class America is clear. what flavor is it? I am a consevative not a "party" I am not telling anyone what you have said above with exeption to the illeagal problem. please think and research what you are saying prior to posting false hoods 1) we are not winning in Iraq but we can 2) $5.15 is definatly not a "Livable wage" but then again the people who are making this amount are teens and retired people working part time and $7.50 is not a liveable wage either 3) Health care is out of control but I like the fact I can choose the DR I want to see 4) Global warming is like the internet (think about it) 5) The illeagal problem is out of control I have no problem with immigration my Great-great grandfather came here from Germany, fought in the civil war because he wanted to fight for his new country. How many of the Illegals do you think would do same? This is what I believe and I am pretty sure if you ask most conservatives they will say the same.
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Post by billt on Feb 1, 2007 13:02:49 GMT -5
still waiting for just ONE shred of evidence?
rich for you in particular show me some evidence please!
before you claim co2 is causing warming please explain how we had COOLING after the co2 levels rose?
IF co2 is in control common sense dictates that each DAY will be hotter than the day before(because the co2 YOU claim traps heat trapped heat from yesterday so today will be warmer, heat from the sun PLUS the trapped heat by co2).
no more seasons you know because co2 has taken over the whole system and now is in CONTROL.
the above is the CLAIM being made by global warmers, that co2 is so powerful that it ALONE has taken over the whole climate system!
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Post by billt on Feb 1, 2007 15:42:20 GMT -5
still waiting.....as lee just asked a caller named rich, what about the 1930's they were warmer than now with far LESS co2 in the air?
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Post by blondie on Feb 1, 2007 16:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by billt on Feb 1, 2007 17:03:30 GMT -5
lame effort blondie, ONE shred of EVIDENCE that humans are the CAUSE.
your first link ended in the year 2000 so that in no way speaks to NOW.
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Post by billt on Feb 1, 2007 17:07:26 GMT -5
hilarious stuff you see in those links...looked at one that claims warmer oceans are caused by humans...of course i now understand, seems all the melting ICE entering the oceans at 33 degrees F has a "warming" effect overall......also those volcanoes that spew out superheated water 24/7 they have NO influence over temperature.
water reflects the suns energy back and absorbs hardly any folks,
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Post by billt on Feb 1, 2007 17:12:23 GMT -5
cant resist this little tidbit from the first link
"The recent warming has been greatest between 40°N and 70°N latitude, though some areas such as the North Atlantic Ocean have cooled in the recent decades."
there was also something that happened just BEFORE the claimed warming started...the USSR broke up so MOST of the rural weather station in those latitudes(siberia comes to mind) were CLOSED.
indeed land based readings in urban heat islands PLUS closing colder stations indeed will yield warming, in those latitudes.
GLOBAL means global folks and the NASA readins for the last 30 years shows almost stable global temps or a slight COOLING.
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Post by blondie on Feb 1, 2007 17:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by billt on Feb 1, 2007 17:35:44 GMT -5
the nasa link is about SURFACE temperature, NOT the satelite readings.
do i agree that politicians that depend on government funding for their food seek MORE funding, YES i agree.
hilarious stuff blondie thank you... the houston link says "very likely" what happened blondie.....YOU are claiming the science is in the debate is OVER...."very likely" is NOT science.
very likely is NOT proof in any way.
science is NOT done by consensus it is done by experiements and confirming of them by others able to repeat the results.
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