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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 17, 2007 22:31:55 GMT -5
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 18, 2007 8:07:15 GMT -5
oh well...Obama would be right at home on this board...with folks who can turn a ham sandwich into a religious discussion...
oops...come to think of it, a devout Jew doesn't eat ham...
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 8:27:09 GMT -5
I think Obama has already peaked.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 18, 2007 8:41:33 GMT -5
This guy is more of a player here than people give him credit for. His race and youngness will lead him to get a lot of attention as this thing heats up.
This speech was nothing more than political oppurtunism, it is kinda sick in my opinion.
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 8:48:11 GMT -5
Too many people are dubious of his name, now his 'race card' agenda against free speech (Don Imus issue) and other bluders!
He is a fad.....fading fast! Has no chance, SERIOUSLY!
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 8:55:24 GMT -5
I believed he would be a strong player. He was new and fresh, etc. without the baggage that other candidates have. But it appears that he is turning into typical politician -- and if he keeps it up, the "WOW" thing will fade.
Hillary will be the nominee.
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Post by espy on Apr 18, 2007 9:02:27 GMT -5
I would never vote for someone to be the pres. of the US who has ties to Islam....it would be their first step to actualy taking control of the world, just as they state on a regular basis...
Not a race thing, I would vote for Condileza Rice before I would vote for obama.
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Post by justinian on Apr 18, 2007 9:03:13 GMT -5
I'm with you Dale. Don't discredit Obama, just because his speech is full of abtractions and shows signs of obvious refusal to confront issues directly...in fact, that's his strength.
As long as he's saying words than can mean anything, he manages to mean everything to everyone that hears him. Seriously, when you can use the word violence metaphorically to refer to the Imus incidicent, and compare that to the literal meaning of violence in re: the VT shootings--well, you're breaking the first commandment of good philosophy ("Thou shalt not equivocate terms"), but, luckily, most people have no idea that that's even happening.
And so, he can ride the wave of popular support for a long, long time...and, quite frankly, that's terrifying, because I don't really know of anything definitive that Obama stands for, because he is always doing things like this.
Plus, he's an attractive, young black man. Combine that with his eloquence, and he's a serious contender...which he's proven, by out-raising Hilary.
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 9:04:30 GMT -5
Thank Goodness she's not interested! Too involved in 'making war!'
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 18, 2007 9:04:55 GMT -5
This speech was nothing more than political oppurtunism, it is kinda sick in my opinion. Unfortunately, with the "sound bite" mentality of the electorate, that's what gets people elected these days...
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 9:07:42 GMT -5
You're right bama! I keep forgetting about the mentality of the electorate.
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 9:09:22 GMT -5
I'm with you Dale. Don't discredit Obama, just because his speech is full of abtractions and shows signs of obvious refusal to confront issues directly...in fact, that's his strength. As long as he's saying words than can mean anything, he manages to mean everything to everyone that hears him. Seriously, when you can use the word violence metaphorically to refer to the Imus incidicent, and compare that to the literal meaning of violence in re: the VT shootings--well, you're breaking the first commandment of good philosophy ("Thou shalt not equivocate terms"), but, luckily, most people have no idea that that's even happening. And so, he can ride the wave of popular support for a long, long time...and, quite frankly, that's terrifying, because I don't really know of anything definitive that Obama stands for, because he is always doing things like this. Plus, he's an attractive, young black man. Combine that with his eloquence, and he's a serious contender...which he's proven, by out-raising Hilary. You are not in touch with the 'pulse of the eletorate' in America, if you think the 80% of Whites are ready to elect a black man Prez, especially with the increased racial tensions!
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Post by justinian on Apr 18, 2007 9:13:24 GMT -5
I might be out of touch with 80% of southern whites, but, last time I checked, there were plenty of white people outside of the south.
And, now that I think about it, no I'm not even out of touch with the south; I understand and get where you're coming from...but I'm afraid you're out of touch with the rest of the nation...which, when you look at it, what's been keeping Republicans in power is the southern voting block and the midwest voting block voting the same way--Obama changes things, because, midwesterners (even more than southerners) support people from their region. If the Dems manage to drive a wedge between the midwest and the south (which, btw, look at the elections of November--they did), they win.
Obama offers midwesterners a palatable alternative to Hilary. He's a serious contender.
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 9:14:59 GMT -5
lawman,
Excellent point! Perhaps the events of last week (Imus/Sharpton) hurt Obama with a large percentage of white voters. Probably many more whites would have voted for Obama before last week. But do you think more blacks will now vote for him (instead of Hillary?)
Last week certainly created a divide.
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 9:17:09 GMT -5
This is America! You're still entitled to be WRONG! And I know and guarantee you are! Obama has no chance! Ron Paul hasn't either, and that's a really sad thing!
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Post by blondie on Apr 18, 2007 9:22:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately, with the "sound bite" mentality of the electorate, that's what gets people elected these days... Good job on missing the entire point of the article and replacing it with a cliche. Obama's "instinct for abstraction and large themes," is why people are drawn to him.
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 9:24:05 GMT -5
lawman, Excellent point! Perhaps the events of last week (Imus/Sharpton) hurt Obama with a large percentage of white voters. Probably many more whites would have voted for Obama before last week. But do you think more blacks will now vote for him (instead of Hillary?) Last week certainly created a divide. NO! Not even close! That's the scary, scary point! The black vote is probably 85% or more for Hillary! I talked to some smart black friends and they are UNITED for Hillary! Most middle to low-income blacks look to Bill/hillary for the 'free benefits, Health Care, etc. and even their agenda!
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 9:30:49 GMT -5
Almost ALL BLACKS loved the 'ride' under Bill Clinton!
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Post by blondie on Apr 18, 2007 9:34:44 GMT -5
I would never vote for someone to be the pres. of the US who has ties to Islam....it would be their first step to actually taking control of the world, just as they state on a regular basis... I'm no longer shocked by the willful ignorance expressed by right-wing nuts and religious extremists. I've figured out how you stay so naive. The reich has created it's own media outlets like 101.1 FM and the loons never stray beyond them to see what's happening in the outside world.
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 9:36:01 GMT -5
Where's Ross (Perot)? I loved that man... still do. He was someone who would have turned government around (for the better.)
He probably got sick of flimsy people.
I mention his name because I see no patriots at the table (presidential candidates) and long for something better.
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Post by blondie on Apr 18, 2007 9:42:39 GMT -5
Where's Ross (Perot)? I loved that man... still do. He was someone who would have turned government around (for the better.) Did you read On Wings of Eagles? Unbelievable, what a personality.
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 9:53:55 GMT -5
I have it, but never read it. What about the personality?
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Post by blondie on Apr 18, 2007 10:20:04 GMT -5
"The factual account of Ross Perot's daring plot to rescue two of his corporate employees from an Iranian prison." Now that's an interesting fellow.
I think they even made a movie about it.
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 11:28:24 GMT -5
Almost ALL BLACKS loved the 'ride' under Bill Clinton!And almost TOTALLY to a man/woman, Blacks HATE this war mindset of the Republicans! They want out of Iraq!
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Post by killer on Apr 18, 2007 12:07:06 GMT -5
blondie wrote, ""The factual account of Ross Perot's daring plot to rescue two of his corporate employees from an Iranian prison." Now that's an interesting fellow.
I think they even made a movie about it. Yes, I think so. I knew he rescued people from Hanoi (I think) -- that he went in and did the job when our gov. could not or would not. I have seen enough of him and read enough about him to know he is an amazing man. But I had not read the book and did not know exactly how they portrayed him. He's always done lots for veterans, too. And he has such passion for this country. Too bad the 2 parties (political) used dirty tricks to try and keep him out. Too bad people just wanted to make fun of his appearance (goofy people!!)
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 18, 2007 13:34:27 GMT -5
You are not in touch with the 'pulse of the eletorate' in America, if you think the 80% of Whites are ready to elect a black man Prez, especially with the increased racial tensions! Personally, I am ready to elect a Black WOMAN as president....and I don't mean Oprah....
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 18, 2007 13:38:28 GMT -5
Where's Ross (Perot)? I loved that man... still do. He was someone who would have turned government around (for the better.) He probably got sick of flimsy people. I mention his name because I see no patriots at the table (presidential candidates) and long for something better. Ross perot had one political goal in life and he accomplished it...preventing the re-election of George H. W. Bush...we can thank Perot for 8 years of Clinton.....
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Post by blondie on Apr 18, 2007 15:09:01 GMT -5
Where's Ross (Perot)? I loved that man... still do. He was someone who would have turned government around (for the better.) He probably got sick of flimsy people. I mention his name because I see no patriots at the table (presidential candidates) and long for something better. Ross perot had one political goal in life and he accomplished it...preventing the re-election of George H. W. Bush...we can thank Perot for 8 years of Clinton..... Fascinating. I had no idea he was such a 2 dimensional straw man.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 18, 2007 15:19:16 GMT -5
Fascinating. I had no idea he was such a 2 dimensional straw man. You have no idea about many many many things......
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Post by lawman on Apr 18, 2007 15:39:34 GMT -5
You are not in touch with the 'pulse of the eletorate' in America, if you think the 80% of Whites are ready to elect a black man Prez, especially with the increased racial tensions! Personally, I am ready to elect a Black WOMAN as president....and I don't mean Oprah.... This might surprise some......but I've found that even the Blacks don't trust the Black leaders (candidates!) Kinda like the Whites....... BTW, you ain't close to the 80% Whites that are not ready!
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