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Post by Chris Hobbs on Apr 11, 2007 6:06:21 GMT -5
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 6:09:30 GMT -5
Cannot believe it actually has that name...
Actually, I can...Alabama seemed to become obsessed with him when he lost to Hoover...
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 6:24:50 GMT -5
Amazing foresight in the state of Florida...
Tim Tebow was about 8 years old when "his" bill passed in Florida.......
from the website...
"Fortunately for Tim, Florida passed a similar bill to ours in 1996."
;D
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Post by charlesallentail on Apr 11, 2007 7:14:02 GMT -5
This is an obvious outright admission that there are needs outside of "school" that can not filled at home.
If the reason parents are home schooling thier children is to protect them from the "bad" things in public schools, what do you expect the children to be exposed to at the extracirricular events. I believe that more goes on during outside the classroom events than inside.
If the school's environment is not sterile enough, perhaps recreational leagues such as community teams, YMCA, i.e. Babe Ruth Baseball would suffice?
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Post by justinian on Apr 11, 2007 7:31:47 GMT -5
There are things that kids need to be exposed to outside of the home...but, good parents need to be able to minimize the damage. 8 hours a week in baseball practice and in games is a lot less exposure to what some parents consider immoral behavior than 7-8 hours a day. Only detractors for homeschooling ever see things in terms of either/or...and, unfortunately, either/or thinking rarely solves problems.
Not to mention that your argument doesn't take into account homeschool parents who aren't homeschooling to protect little Jimmy from the big bad evolutionists or those kids who use swear words, but do it to give their kids the kind of 1 on 1 attention that kids need to succeed--that they definitely aren't getting in public schools because public schools aren't capable of giving it to them.
Let's keep in mind that many of our great Americans were what we'd now consider "home schooled," the foremost examples being many of our early statesmen and presidents (not just Abe, but he certainly deserves to be mentioned).
Public school is a wate of money, time, and effort on behalf of government. If you want to fix them, stop state oversight (and, maybe, county oversight). Have each school run entirely by a parent board that serves a set term limit, entirely on a volunteer basis, from parents whose kids go to that school. Divvy up the Federal money and let the parents of the kids in each school decide how their school spends it.--The only problem with this is that most parents treat public school like free day care, so they don't actually care about what goes on there.
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 7:42:45 GMT -5
It sounds harmless on the surface. But if Hank Erwin is behind it there must be some lunatic rational. Dale, take off your rose colored glasses and read this: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060810-evolution.htmlThe only country included in the study where adults were more likely than Americans to reject evolution was Turkey.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 7:43:40 GMT -5
The only problem with this is that most parents treat public school like free day care, so they don't actually care about what goes on there. Great post, justinian...that last sentence is the root of ALL the problems with public education...
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 7:45:20 GMT -5
The only problem with this is that most parents treat public school like free day care, so they don't actually care about what goes on there. Great post, justinian...that last sentence is the root of ALL the problems with public education... The free day care is the best part of public education.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 7:48:10 GMT -5
Dale, take off your rose colored glasses and read this: The Therapist strikes again....
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 7:50:55 GMT -5
Dale, take off your rose colored glasses and read this: The Therapist strikes again.... If dude doesn't see this as a big problem and major reason for home schoolin' and America's academic decline he's living in a fantasy world.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 11, 2007 7:56:43 GMT -5
Do I need to just go ahead and move this thread?
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 7:58:57 GMT -5
Do I need to just go ahead and move this thread? Any thread where you see "blondie" on the left, you can go ahead and move it... blondie talks religion more than any "non-religious" person I have ever seen....
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 8:04:00 GMT -5
Do I need to just go ahead and move this thread? This about you and yo' fantasy of why people choose home schoolin'.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 11, 2007 8:08:14 GMT -5
Do I need to just go ahead and move this thread? This about you and yo' fantasy of why people choose home schoolin'. Fantasy? I just don't think everyone is hung up on evolution as the two extremes.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 8:13:06 GMT -5
Do I need to just go ahead and move this thread? This about you and yo' fantasy of why people choose home schoolin'. Oh, my Almighty Therapist.....PLEASE enlighten us as to the ONLY reason that ANYONE home schools!!!!!!!!
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 8:14:39 GMT -5
This shows a serious problem. That caller was right about critical thinking skills. Evolution Acceptance
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Post by galaxygoddess on Apr 11, 2007 8:15:01 GMT -5
My brother, sister and I were home schooled for 5 years. My sister graduated from home-school.
When we were put in a high school, I placed in all advanced classes, and my brother placed in regular classes. We were told, had they not instituted a policy banning kids from skipping ahead grades, that I may have been placed in the same grade as my brother. I was placed in 9th, he was placed in 11th.
My brother started failing classes, badly. I was actually held back a semester, which caused him to quit school entirely. However, I excelled and actually became bored because they would not let me skip ahead in grades. I finally quit and got my GED.
Both my brother and I immediately went to Jeff state. In the placement tests I again was placed in all advanced classes, as a matter of fact, I was told that had I scored 2 more points in math I would not of had to take a math course for my degree. The only math class I required was 101 and 2 points would have skipped me that class.
My brother was put in remedial everything. I didn't even know they HAD a remedial reading class, but apparently it exists.
After years of my brother telling me he was smarter than me because he was in higher grades, and me telling him that wasn't true he was just in higher grades because he was older, I was finally proved right.
He quit college during the first semester. I, however, went on to obtain my associates as a paralegal. The only reason I haven't furthered my education at this point is I can't decide what to do with my life and I'm at a standstill.
Growing up, when ever anyone in school would meet my brother, they would stop talking to me. In every school I have ever gone to, I was highly popular until they met my brother, and then suddenly they didn't want to talk to me any more. Sometimes I wasn't ever given an explanation, some times I was told "you're related to HIM?? I don't want to have anything to do with anyone related to THAT!"
Those who never met my brother would be my friend, those who did, shunned me. I think 3 people my entire time in school stayed my friend regardless of my brother.
When I was home-schooled, I played with the kids in the area and I had a lot of friends. They knew my brother stayed away from me and they knew they wouldn't have to deal with him if they didn't like him. I got more socialization and I had less of a fear of being a social outcast when I was home-schooled than when I was in school. I found more friends in my teachers than I did other students.
I never smoked, I never drank I never touched drugs. Actually, you could try to give me some and I would report your butt to the nearest authority.
However, my brother, he's done it all.
You cannot judge homeschooling on one or two kids or even their parents. My parents did the best they could for both of us. I entered in advanced beyond by "peers" my brother entered in dumb as a brick. He didn't want to learn. I did. My mom taught us the joy of learning. She's teaching my sister's baby the joy of learning even though my sister isn't good at it herself. My sister's child blossoms in intelligence when she is around my mom, she dulls down when she's around her parents. It's sort of sad really.
There is an old debate of nature verses nurture. I believe it is both.
I believe if sports is how a kid wants to improve themselves then they should have the opportunity to do so.
Just because you go to a public school doesn't mean you will get in those activities. It's called "try outs" for a reason.
When I was in high school I tried out but never got in. If getting in to those activities was the only reason I went, then there would be no reason for me to have gone. I still feel like going to high school was a waste of my time.
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 8:15:36 GMT -5
This about you and yo' fantasy of why people choose home schoolin'. Oh, my Almighty Therapist.....PLEASE enlighten us as to the ONLY reason that ANYONE home schools!!!!!!!! That was such an insightful comment. You should be proud.
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Post by blondie on Apr 11, 2007 8:19:57 GMT -5
I still feel like going to high school was a waste of my time. You're right about that. I think it's just a way to keep the kids off the streets. I didn't learn anything in public school. We should send those kids off to a factory to make umbrellas or something. At least at the end of the day we'd have some umbrellas. I'm not against home schooling at all. Any thing's better than the system we have now.
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Post by bamagatr on Apr 11, 2007 8:23:16 GMT -5
As you should be...for thinking that people assuming responsibility for their children's education are a threat to your religions...
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Post by majestydivine on Apr 11, 2007 8:27:38 GMT -5
Just a question; how many people who write on this board went to public schools? Then went to a state or a public college? My education is a mixture of involved parents and public education as is the case with the majority of people in this country. If schools are so broken and pathetic how did any of you get through college, get a job, and have the ability to function in society? As for the parents who choose to home school if public education is not good for your child how are public schools extra curricular activities going to be any better?
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Post by JCJ on Apr 11, 2007 8:30:27 GMT -5
There are many reasons that I have to oppose this bill.
The main reason is that for every home school player that is added to the team, one public school kid will be cut. This will allow more time for us trouble making public school kids to participate in immoral activities.
Second, I believe that there are many benefits that my taxes go towards that I am unable to benefit from at this time. Should I be upset that I paid for the mail to be delivered that day if I didn’t receive anything or that I didn’t have any garbage this week but I had to pay for him to come by my house.
Third, there are some students that have been expelled from the public school system for some reason and the parents feel that poor Billy is just being picked on and they are going to home school him. Now you are going to allow him to come back and participate in school functions just because he is good at playing the trumpet or running a ball.
Finally, this opens the door for a school with poor academics but good sports teams to be able to recruit better players. The parents that have the means to stay at home to teach their child one on one are also the ones who have the means to move to a better sports area.
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Post by disbudforme on Apr 11, 2007 8:35:04 GMT -5
Home school children have the ability to participate in public rec league sports or private travel teams. Also how accepting do you think the teammates of a High School team would be of a outsider being involved with the team?
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Post by Chris Hobbs on Apr 11, 2007 8:50:45 GMT -5
There are many reasons that I have to oppose this bill. The main reason is that for every home school player that is added to the team, one public school kid will be cut. This will allow more time for us trouble making public school kids to participate in immoral activities. Homeschoolers wouldn't be "added" to the team. They would MAKE the team only if they did better during try-outs. Their parents are paying for that coach, field and equipment. So why not at least give their kids a fair shot at making the team.
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Post by disbudforme on Apr 11, 2007 9:08:48 GMT -5
A school team is exactly that a "school team". A home school student is not part of the school.
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Post by JCJ on Apr 11, 2007 9:10:23 GMT -5
I feel that the "my tax dollars are paying for it" argument is just as weak as any. Can the home school parent say "I don't feel like cooking lunch, my tax money goes toward school lunches, I'll just take you to school everyday and let you eat and learn to interact with your peers". I just feel that both sides have their benifits. I don't have the choice to take my test on-line or have one-on-one interaction, unless I have one of those teachers wink-wink. Extracurricular activities is a privaledge to those who go to public school. We can't have our cake and eat it to.
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Post by charlesallentail on Apr 11, 2007 9:19:43 GMT -5
The only reason I haven't furthered my education at this point is I can't decide what to do with my life and I'm at a standstill. Perhaps more socializing and exposure as a youngster (as in a public school) would have enlightened you pursue a more definite career.... Just a question; how many people who write on this board went to public schools? Then went to a state or a public college? My education is a mixture of involved parents and public education as is the case with the majority of people in this country. If schools are so broken and pathetic how did any of you get through college, get a job, and have the ability to function in society? As for the parents who choose to home school if public education is not good for your child how are public schools extra curricular activities going to be any better? [glow=red,2,300]Ahhh yes, finally someone who has a touch with reality![/glow] When I was little (70's) there was "no" home school. If you were home you were either sick or physically unable to attend class. My brother, sister and myself are all productive, tax paying, citizens that are a product of public schools. I will also give credit to my parents for their support in making sure that the preparation that public schools gave us for the "real world" was complimented by higher education at ***ahem*** public, gov't funded schools. If people would just get of thier rears and channel efforts towards fixing problems instead of side stepping them, America may not be so screwed up.
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Post by majestydivine on Apr 11, 2007 9:33:28 GMT -5
There is a quick and easy answer to all of this, cut all extracurricular activities. Then all sports, arts, and interest groups would all have to be community based and everyone would have the same chances and opportunities as everyone else. Then maybe public schools could get back to the job of public education.
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Post by galaxygoddess on Apr 11, 2007 11:24:27 GMT -5
No, not really, because I'm a "jack of all trades" I'm good at everything but I find joy or devotion in nothing.
Public school made me NOT want to do anything. My mother taught me I could do anything. Public school made me feel inferior and like I could only do what i was taught with no capacity for growth.
School gave me nothing. That is why I left.
Before I wanted to be a biochemist or a physicist. When I learned how much math either one of those involved I said no. I wanted to be a veterinarian or a zookeeper. Those Fields require me to dissect animals. I want to FEED the animals in the zoo, not take them apart. I can learn the nutritional and physical care of animal without having to rip one open and see what its made of.
I want to be a writer or director, but again I'm required to take classes and study things that have absolutely nothing to do with those career fields. I want to be a famous model or actor, but I can't afford the classes, although I modeled from time I was 4 to about the time I was 10 and I regret ever getting out of that field.
I want to be a artist and do painting, maybe an interior designer and tell people who they should decorate their houses. I'm told I have infinite knack for such things. My house is called "the museum" because of it. That's it maybe I could be a museum curator. What do you mean I have to take trig and computer science for it??
I want to be a teacher, or a psychologist. Actually every tells me I'd make an excellent therapist. I help people all of the time with their emotional and mental issues.
For the longest time I wanted to be a criminologist. You should see the curriculum for THAT!
Oh, what I would LOVE to do is what people like Jeff Corwin do and travel the world and tell people about the various animals that live here or there or anywhere! Oh, I would love to be an astrologist!
What I've always wanted to do, was to own my own hotel. A HUGE hotel with themed rooms and a huge ball room and people would come from all over the world to stay at my exotic hotel!
Or better yet! I could be a real estate tycoon! I could buy out all the run down and destroyed houses, all the old buildings and such and I could renovate them and redo them and offer then at cheap rates for the homeless or even those on welfare so they wouldn't have to worry about a place to live! I could buy houses and rent them out at bottomed out prices.
When I look at the curriculum for those career fields I see that I have to take endless amount of classes that do not apply to any field I would be comfortable in pursuing. If anything schools make me feel like everything I do is pointless.
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Post by JCJ on Apr 11, 2007 12:25:32 GMT -5
It sounds to me as if being home schooled taught you that you could pick and choose what you wanted to learn; whereas in public school you are taught everything that is needed to be a well rounded student and a contributer to society. The main thing that I learned from both public school and my father was that if you wanted to succeed at anything in life you had to work hard for it and earn it. Sounds to me that you want everything handed to you.
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