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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 15:08:36 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 15:08:36 GMT -5
Hmm... Didn't take much to "liven up" this thread again... LOL... see what you did.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 15:10:52 GMT -5
Post by billt on Feb 10, 2007 15:10:52 GMT -5
i admit to being hasty in using "gay" and was wrong on what has been found so far(just because he we with a woman when killed that doesnt preclude the possibility of being gay) so by definition i have posted a "lie".
it remains that corny has changed his name to some guy that MURDERED people for having different beliefs, and that the KKK has exhalted this person's name and corny also chooses to use it here.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 15:13:05 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 15:13:05 GMT -5
Remember in Fiddler on the Roof when Tevye wanted to sell his daughter to the old butcher but she fell in love with that skinny guy? It was a scandal. Later his youngest daughter later married Starsky from Starsky and Hutch without his blessing and he disowned her. Please stop trying to reverse engineer history. Everybody knows marrying off little girls to the daddy's business partners was common practice until the 20th century. Everybody knows that human rights for women and children are a new development in history. Everybody knows these are secular virtues. Ok, you win...your credible evidence, a MOVIE has swayed me. You started off fine with your premise, though it was wrong, but have fallen so low in the dregs of stubbornness, that you are providing Fiddler on the Roof as the authoritative smoking gun.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 15:32:49 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 15:32:49 GMT -5
i admit to being hasty in using "gay" and was wrong on what has been found so far(just because he we with a woman when killed that doesnt preclude the possibility of being gay) so by definition i have posted a "lie". it remains that corny has changed his name to some guy that MURDERED people for having different beliefs, and that the KKK has exhalted this person's name and corny also chooses to use it here. I don't think you lied billt, you were just plain wrong. It happens sometimes, maybe rarely for you but you will get over it shortly. I will admit that I did not ever think you would admit to being wrong, so I can no longer say that is the case. Though you keep the door open for the possibility that you are right by saying the man, who was having sex with the woman, could still be gay, the purpose of WHY they were killed would have made that a non-issue. The reason why they were killed is within the quote and the surrounding context. My belief is that the Bible is correct billt and that the following action on God's part shows that it was not murder but a justifiable killing. Num 25:10-13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
11 Phinehas , the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.
12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel. KJVYou see billt, if you read around the quote you gave, then you will get the full picture: Num 25:1-3 the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
3 And Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. KJV....and the consequences of their actions: Num 25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. KJVand why did phinehas kill the man and the woman: Num 25:1-3 again and Num 25:8 So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel. KJVSo, you see, Phinehas had a justifiable reason for killing them and God accepted the course of action taken by him. Because he did what the others would not do, he was rewarded. as far as the KKK....I hear they believe in employment, living in homes and eating...so that doesn't make those things wrong.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 15:46:31 GMT -5
Post by blondie on Feb 10, 2007 15:46:31 GMT -5
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 16:00:19 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 16:00:19 GMT -5
blondie, How about we save some time with this new debate and you just post a link to a Hollywood movie that provides all the evidence for your premise.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 16:05:44 GMT -5
Post by blondie on Feb 10, 2007 16:05:44 GMT -5
"you like to cherry-pick from Jewish tradition as a rationalization of our contemporary American ethics"
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 17:43:29 GMT -5
Post by lawman on Feb 10, 2007 17:43:29 GMT -5
i dont correct every typo...BUT you remain a LIAR corny that doesnt even understand the difference between your and you're even after being pointed out a few times. BUT that speaks to your fundamental honesty, YOU continue to misuse the pronoun after being corrected because it is your INTENT to provoke. also CORNY you had better be able to back your LIES about my personal life because indeed you have LIBELED me in public. another quick point, you claim i have some sort of impairment YET I have exposed you for the LIAR you are at every turn, so where does that leave YOU cornpone? a person clearly unable to deabte even with a person you consider to be impaired. CORNY since you insist on LYING i again call you gutless behind out, come out in public and look me in the eye then try your LIES! You are such a joke. I am purposely using "your" and "you're" interchangeably to provoke you. You have a mental issue and I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it due to your heavy pot use. Let's be hypothetical now......for this point to be stressed, and brought home! If you honestly believe, phinehas, that billt HAS a 'mental issue' and smokes pot to find some peace, WHY DO YOU, 'IF' you are a geniune Christian, 'provoke him' and find delight being Mean spirited, cruel and taunting! Is this your concept of God and HIS WAY? The Bible tells me God IS LOVE, and gives HIS Sons and Daughters the Commandment to LOVE one another as HE does the whole World! Just know that your 'fruits' don't display a Godly attitude! SAD!
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 18:47:15 GMT -5
Post by W.O.M.I on Feb 10, 2007 18:47:15 GMT -5
Rather difficult to find common ground when even the dictionary contradicts itself...
I'm not criticizing you, bill, because you simply relied upon the dictionary to make your point and it ended up muddying the waters completely.
Anyhoo....
I'd be lying if I said that I had no problem with NAMBLA. I do. Even respecting the First Amendment as I do, I find it very difficult to recognize that they have any right to intentionally damage the most innocent among us in the pursuit of their narcissitic pleasures. I find them totally and completely reprehensible and of NO redeeming value whatsoever.
However....if I wish to remain true to my belief n the US Constitution, I am forced, albeit reluctantly, to recognize that they do, indeed, enjoy the privileges guaranteed by that document. All things considered, NAMBLA does no more damage to society than does Keith Olbermann and he's got his own talk show for goodness' sake.
What needs to be done re: NAMBLA is the same thing that needs to be done with respect to purveyors of excessively violent video games or certain kinds of music that advocated violence: hold them responsible for acts that can be linked to their respective messages. If it can be demonstrated that someone went out and killed a cop because they were unable to differentiate between GTA and real life or if a man goes out and sexually abuses a young boy because NAMBLA advocates such behavior, then hold them accountable in the exact same way the various Catholic diocese are held accountable for the actions of their priests. A few multi-million dollar verdicts against NAMBLA and that organization will be but a bitter memory.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 19:31:18 GMT -5
Post by billt on Feb 10, 2007 19:31:18 GMT -5
indeed the dictionary does contradict itself....i can only guess that is PC at work.
there are other words with the same problem stereotype is one and pollution is another....the PC crowd has added "intent" to the meaning of lie which clearly contradicts the rest of the meaning.
on stereotype they have added "negative" to the definition that again contradicts the rest of its meaning.
and pollution has "man made" added to its definition meaning smoke from a fire started by lightning is NOT pollution, but if a man started the same type fire it IS pollution.
back to corny, the problem is he refuses to accept the rest of the meanings of these type words and claims I am wrong is saying intent is NOT required to be a "lie".
as noted also by others corny does NOT in any way back up his CLAIMED positions with his actual posts.
again just commenting on the observed behavior NOT being judgemental.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 20:48:50 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 20:48:50 GMT -5
"as noted also by others corny does NOT in any way back up his CLAIMED positions with his actual posts."billt - Did you forget about the FACT that I gave this link on post#75 of this thread? www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1611/sins22lies5a.htmlYou can call me a liar all you want but to now make the claim that I do not back up what I post, is just stupid. The link I gave takes in a large amount of information in order to come to the conclusion of what a lie is. You on the other hand look at definition .b only and ignore .a, .c, .d of any specific dictionary in order to hold to your belief that a lie is any statement that is incorrect. Does a lie detector register a statement that is false or does it register a statement that the person knows to be false? Matt Murphy got you on your definition as well, when he asked if it was a lie if somebody got an algebra question wrong.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:01:43 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 21:01:43 GMT -5
Let's be hypothetical now......for this point to be stressed, and brought home! If you honestly believe, phinehas, that billt HAS a 'mental issue' and smokes pot to find some peace, WHY DO YOU, 'IF' you are a geniune Christian, 'provoke him' and find delight being Mean spirited, cruel and taunting! Is this your concept of God and HIS WAY? The Bible tells me God IS LOVE, and gives HIS Sons and Daughters the Commandment to LOVE one another as HE does the whole World! Just know that your 'fruits' don't display a Godly attitude! SAD! I have stated in the past that I am a sinner and fall short. I know that it is a weakness of mine to not treat people who I consider to be an enemy, and in this case an ideological enemy, with meekness. Do you have that same problem or does the pattern not need to be applied to you? Do you adhere to some form of Christianity that allows you to point out all the flaws in others because you are immune to them in some way? If we are judging based on posts then surely you are in the same boat as me. On the other hand, one could say that I am not afraid to turn over the "money changer tables" when it is needed. As far as who is doing the provoking, I direct you to the facts: post #2 post#10 post#53 post #59 post#62 post#71 The problem you guys have with me, is that I am a Christian that fights back and like bullies, you don't know how to handle it. I am just better than you at doing it....that is your frustration. It can easily be solved by the novel idea of not provoking me.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:20:08 GMT -5
Post by lawman on Feb 10, 2007 21:20:08 GMT -5
Let's be hypothetical now......for this point to be stressed, and brought home! If you honestly believe, phinehas, that billt HAS a 'mental issue' and smokes pot to find some peace, WHY DO YOU, 'IF' you are a geniune Christian, 'provoke him' and find delight being Mean spirited, cruel and taunting! Is this your concept of God and HIS WAY? The Bible tells me God IS LOVE, and gives HIS Sons and Daughters the Commandment to LOVE one another as HE does the whole World! Just know that your 'fruits' don't display a Godly attitude! SAD! I have stated in the past that I am a sinner and fall short. I know that it is a weakness of mine to not treat people who I consider to be an enemy, and in this case an ideological enemy, with meekness. Do you have that same problem or does the pattern not need to be applied to you? On the other hand, one could say that I am not afraid to turn over the "money changer tables" when it is needed. As far as who is doing the provoking, I direct you to the facts: post #2 post#10 post#53 post #59 post#62 post#71 The problem you guys have with me, is that I am a Christian that fights back and like bullies, you don't know how to handle it. I am just better than you at doing it....that is your frustration. It can easily be solved by the novel idea of not provoking me. Again, you can't tolerate instruction.....but turn on those who have the wisdom to admonish your deceit! This verse describes you, Matthew 15:8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KJV: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. And I am not AFRAID to expose the devil......whoever he shows up in!!
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:25:02 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 21:25:02 GMT -5
I have stated in the past that I am a sinner and fall short. I know that it is a weakness of mine to not treat people who I consider to be an enemy, and in this case an ideological enemy, with meekness. Do you have that same problem or does the pattern not need to be applied to you? On the other hand, one could say that I am not afraid to turn over the "money changer tables" when it is needed. As far as who is doing the provoking, I direct you to the facts: post #2 post#10 post#53 post #59 post#62 post#71 The problem you guys have with me, is that I am a Christian that fights back and like bullies, you don't know how to handle it. I am just better than you at doing it....that is your frustration. It can easily be solved by the novel idea of not provoking me. Again, you can't tolerate instruction.....but turn on those who have the wisdom to admonish your deceit! This verse describes you, Matthew 15:8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KJV: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. And I am not AFRAID to expose the devil......whoever he shows up in!! Oh, I see, so when I do it, it's "provoking", "Mean spirited", "cruel" and "taunting" but When YOU do it, it's instruction. Turn on those that have wisdom? You do realize that I know who you are. deceit? You have yet to show any deceit in me. I have been honest as to one of my many weaknesses. How do you react to that? In a Christian manner? Why no...you precede to call me the devil.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:36:25 GMT -5
Post by lawman on Feb 10, 2007 21:36:25 GMT -5
Again, you can't tolerate instruction.....but turn on those who have the wisdom to admonish your deceit! This verse describes you, Matthew 15:8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KJV: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. And I am not AFRAID to expose the devil......whoever he shows up in!! Oh, I see, so when I do it, it's "provoking", "Mean spirited", "cruel" and "taunting" but When YOU do it, it's instruction. Turn on those that have wisdom? You do realize that I know who you are. deceit? You have yet to show any deceit in me. I have been honest as to one of my many weaknesses. How do you react to that? In a Christian manner? Why no...you precede to call me the devil. You're the 'twista'.........I SAID WHOEVER THE DEVIL SHOWS UP IN......AS 'IN' YOU!
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:43:00 GMT -5
Post by Twista on Feb 10, 2007 21:43:00 GMT -5
Ya' know... You guys would get along a whole lot better if you smoked a few doobies together... A little "communal sin" would help you all find some common ground and make you see the futility of wasting your time on the little stuff...
And as a post love-in meal, may I suggest triple cheeseburgers and butterscotch milk shakes with chopped pecans? I used to love those at 6 in the morning...
(I'm not lying! LOL)
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:44:44 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 21:44:44 GMT -5
"You're the 'twista'.........I SAID WHOEVER THE DEVIL SHOWS UP IN......AS 'IN' YOU!"
Oh, that's more Christian like then. My point still stands, you're a hypocrite and have zero credibility. Go back to posting about the dead horse and stop trying to mess with me.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 21:52:19 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 21:52:19 GMT -5
Ya' know... You guys would get along a whole lot better if you smoked a few doobies together... A little "communal sin" would help you all find some common ground and make you see the futility of wasting your time on the little stuff... And as a post love-in meal, may I suggest triple cheeseburgers and butterscotch milk shakes with chopped pecans? I used to love those at 6 in the morning... (I'm not lying! LOL) I don't know what you're trying to say nor do I care. You talk to him and have conversations with him if you think it is so easy. Anything less is lip service. I'll await to read both of your detailed conversations with each other in order to learn how to communicate. Twista, why don't you start off with the topic of religion. LOL.
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NAMBLA
Feb 10, 2007 23:38:53 GMT -5
Post by phinehas on Feb 10, 2007 23:38:53 GMT -5
..... What needs to be done re: NAMBLA is the same thing that needs to be done with respect to purveyors of excessively violent video games or certain kinds of music that advocated violence: hold them responsible for acts that can be linked to their respective messages. If it can be demonstrated that someone went out and killed a cop because they were unable to differentiate between GTA and real life or if a man goes out and sexually abuses a young boy because NAMBLA advocates such behavior, then hold them accountable in the exact same way the various Catholic diocese are held accountable for the actions of their priests. A few multi-million dollar verdicts against NAMBLA and that organization will be but a bitter memory. Womi, the ACLU has been defending them pro bono quite well, unfortunately.
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