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Post by bama1978 on Jan 18, 2007 23:44:53 GMT -5
So here it goes; my yearly rant, Why do we get this silly Holiday? This day that we now celebrate is uncalled for. Most schools can only afford to take a limited number of holidays each year due to funding issues. Our country has decided that it is more important for us to honor Martin Luther King Jr. than all of our Presidents. President's day is also Washington's birthday. So I ask you the question, which one is more important; a racist person named Martin Luther King Jr.or the father of this great country and the rest of our presidents? I hope you can make the educated decision. This holiday is one of only four holidays that honor an individual. Jesus Christ, Christopher Columbus, George Washington and MLK. MLK doesn't belong in this category. I just wonder if in 50 years will we be forced to celebrate Jesse Jackson's birthday, I hope not. But if we don't stand up for what is right we will once again be forced to celebrate a worthless leader. Most people will tells us how great this person was, when history will tell us otherwise. I think a lot of people feel this way but are too afraid to stand up for what is right. So my question for you is what has Martin Luther King Jr. done to deserve the honor that our country bestows on him every year?
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Kat
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Post by Kat on Jan 19, 2007 10:30:51 GMT -5
He had a dream & a vision for the US. It has succeeded to a degree; if folks don't take the opportunities they are given, then that's their problem.
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Post by brandon on Jan 19, 2007 11:15:30 GMT -5
The guy stood up for what was right, even though it cost him getting arrested, beaten, spied upon by the FBI, and eventually killed. The guy deserves a holiday.
Plus, it gives me a day off work so I'm all for it. If they wanted to also make a holiday for Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler then it'd be great!
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Post by tragicpizza on Jan 19, 2007 11:41:27 GMT -5
Once again, Brandon shows his maturity...
What Kat said is accurate.
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Post by brandon on Jan 19, 2007 11:44:21 GMT -5
Once again, Brandon shows his maturity... Once again, you suck.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 19, 2007 12:23:40 GMT -5
tragicpizza,
Minus Brandon's joke at the end, there is nothing different that Kat said over Brandon. Brandon actually went more into detail of the man's sacrifices for his dream and vision for America.
Brandon - I think you need to put a joke smiley after some of your comments because not everyone is used to your humor yet, though obvious as it is.
I also think MLK's contribuition to society, his vision, minus any personal shortcomings, is well deserving of national tribute. Things may not have turned out 100% to his vision but in terms of race relations it got better and a lot had to do with him.
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Post by lovinusa on Jan 19, 2007 12:46:27 GMT -5
So I ask you the question, which one is more important; a racist person named Martin Luther King Jr.or the father of this great country and the rest of our presidents? I hope you can make the educated decision. This holiday is one of only four holidays that honor an individual. Jesus Christ, Christopher Columbus, George Washington and MLK. MLK doesn't belong in this category. ***So my question for you is what has Martin Luther King Jr. done to deserve the honor that our country bestows on him every year? First of all Mr King was not a racist. He was a great man of God who follow his destiny to get the rest of the world to understand what needed to be done to change all our lives, black and white, for the better. (I cannot say the same for some of his followers now in leadership) He wanted equality for all races living in the US. Alot of people get that wrong because he was a black man. I want to challenge you to actually listen or read some of his sermons and speeches none are racially motivated but motivated by his love for his fellow man. This was a Great Man and should be honored. You also named 3 others in your post that are honored by our society. Two of them I agree with. And if you want to go with the racist thing look a little closer at Christopher Columbus.... if anyone should be honored for discovering America it should probably be Leif Erikson the Viking Explorer. There are plenty of people we could honor in the history of our country but that would probably be a holiday every other day. My kids would love it but how would we get any work done that way
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Post by galaxygoddess on Jan 19, 2007 13:49:19 GMT -5
Anyone who starts screaming "he's a racist" with no hard evidence of them being a racist, are the people who prepetuate racism. I mean seriously.. stop reading into your own bulls*** agenda.
also, I like holidays.. can I have more please? Also, I had to work MLK day *pout*
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Post by brandon on Jan 19, 2007 15:11:53 GMT -5
Brandon - I think you need to put a joke smiley after some of your comments because not everyone is used to your humor yet, though obvious as it is. I know dude. I thought of that but decided against it. If someone is too stupid to see sarcasm then they deserve whatever stress my post causes them. Some people actually believed I wanted a law banning excess water consumption after the radio show fatality. Sheesh.
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Post by tragicpizza on Jan 19, 2007 16:13:39 GMT -5
That's because you're idiot enough that people can believe it out of you.
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Post by firestud2829 on Jan 19, 2007 17:47:06 GMT -5
Pizza guy...why are you convinced that Brandon is an idiot? You were the one that missed the painfully apparent sarcasm in his post.
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Post by tragicpizza on Jan 20, 2007 18:03:48 GMT -5
Pizza guy...why are you convinced that Brandon is an idiot? You were the one that missed the painfully apparent sarcasm in his post. I'll concede that he has actually offered some salient points against me in another thread. I don't at all mind people disagreeing with me, but one can do so without calling people "retard." And his comment appeared to equate King with Pol Pot and Hitler. If he meant it as some kind of sarcasm, he needs to hire better writers.
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Post by brandon on Jan 21, 2007 20:46:41 GMT -5
And his comment appeared to equate King with Pol Pot and Hitler. If he meant it as some kind of sarcasm, he needs to hire better writers. I am a pro-MLK fan. I said he deserved his own holiday. The other paragraph about Stalin and Pol Pot is my dry wit. If it bothers you, tough shit.
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Post by tragicpizza on Jan 23, 2007 14:14:33 GMT -5
And his comment appeared to equate King with Pol Pot and Hitler. If he meant it as some kind of sarcasm, he needs to hire better writers. I am a pro-MLK fan. I said he deserved his own holiday. The other paragraph about Stalin and Pol Pot is my dry wit. If it bothers you, tough nuts.
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Post by moogie1005 on Jan 25, 2007 22:01:41 GMT -5
While I agree with most of MLK's ideology, I would like to skip the celebration. In my line of work (accounting), it sucks to be forced to take a day off during the busiest time of the year. Can I please postpone my celebration until I have enough time to breathe?
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Post by meatman on Jan 26, 2007 14:52:40 GMT -5
And his comment appeared to equate King with Pol Pot and Hitler. If he meant it as some kind of sarcasm, he needs to hire better writers. I am a pro-MLK fan. I said he deserved his own holiday. The other paragraph about Stalin and Pol Pot is my dry wit. If it bothers you, tough shit. Thanks for the laugh! Great response!
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Post by v on Jan 29, 2007 8:40:59 GMT -5
MLK holiday is a way for white society to pander to the blacks in a weak attempt at showing "we relate".
If everyone would quit trying to tap dance around everyone elses feelings maybe we'd all grow a little thicker skin.
Slavery happened. It doesn't anymore. Be happy with that and quit trying to bring it up like you're owed more than the freedom you've been given.
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Post by tragicpizza on Jan 29, 2007 12:28:33 GMT -5
OK, so does this "freedom" include being able to overcome poverty? Because if not, it ain't freedom.
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Post by dixiepixie on Jan 29, 2007 14:05:20 GMT -5
OK, so does this "freedom" include being able to overcome poverty? Because if not, it ain't freedom. With Affirmative Action, minorities have a better chance to overcome poverty than a single white mother struggling to raise her children.
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Post by galaxygoddess on Jan 29, 2007 14:08:19 GMT -5
OK, so does this "freedom" include being able to overcome poverty? Because if not, it ain't freedom. With Affirmative Action, minorities have a better chance to overcome poverty than a single white mother struggling to raise her children. Too true. The sad thing is, it's easier for an "ethnic" person to better themselves and get certain funds and degrees just by being born "ethnic". It's frustrating...
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Post by dixiepixie on Jan 29, 2007 14:23:42 GMT -5
Several years ago, I was applied for a HUD loan. I was 26 years old, newly divorced, with two small children. The house I was appling for had been abandonded for about three years and the nighborhood kids have broken all of the windows and painted all of the walls. It was trashed. The lady at HUD was so nice when she turned my application down. They were only granting minority loans. The black man who got the house is a college professor...And did I mention he was gay? I don't know what cinched the loan for him, but I dare say that a college professor can make the $96.00 a month house payments.
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Post by tragicpizza on Jan 29, 2007 15:18:26 GMT -5
OK, so does this "freedom" include being able to overcome poverty? Because if not, it ain't freedom. With Affirmative Action, minorities have a better chance to overcome poverty than a single white mother struggling to raise her children. proof?
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Post by galaxygoddess on Jan 29, 2007 15:36:03 GMT -5
Several years ago, I was applied for a HUD loan. I was 26 years old, newly divorced, with two small children. The house I was appling for had been abandonded for about three years and the nighborhood kids have broken all of the windows and painted all of the walls. It was trashed. The lady at HUD was so nice when she turned my application down. They were only granting minority loans. The black man who got the house is a college professor...And did I mention he was gay? I don't know what cinched the loan for him, but I dare say that a college professor can make the $96.00 a month house payments. That is her proof.
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Post by solinvictus on Jan 29, 2007 23:03:29 GMT -5
OK, so does this "freedom" include being able to overcome poverty? Because if not, it ain't freedom. With Affirmative Action, minorities have a better chance to overcome poverty than a single white mother struggling to raise her children. ...and that's a concept that has become an anathema to blacks: raising your children. As I've said in another post: one of the nails in Birmingham's coffin is the fact that black, two-parent families have seen that they must leave the city limits if they care about their children's education. I've heard rhetoric from middle class blacks that would easily fit in at a Klan rally. Why? Because they're as sick of these people as we are and they're cogent enough to realize that the failings are rooted in the taxpayers rewarding and subsidizing irresponsibility. If you listen to 1320AM (if you can stand it), the hosts and callers commonly berate blacks who have left the city. I guess they're not "keeping it real" by staying in ruined neighborhoods.
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Post by solinvictus on Jan 29, 2007 23:04:50 GMT -5
No, it shouldn't be a national holiday. MLK was an avowed communist, a plagiarist, and frequented prostitutes. Well, I guess I can see why most modern blacks esteem him.
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Post by phinehas on Jan 30, 2007 0:14:58 GMT -5
Sol,
If there was going to be a black man honored by a national holiday, if not MLK, then who? If he didn't deserve it then I doubt there would be a scenario that any would.
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Post by solinvictus on Jan 31, 2007 22:42:00 GMT -5
Sol, If there was going to be a black man honored by a national holiday, if not MLK, then who? If he didn't deserve it then I doubt there would be a scenario that any would. ...I can't think of a single black American who merits a national holiday. Let's face it: MLK Day is a national gesture of tokenism, like Black History Month. We see a few PSA's from prominent blacks, we pat them on the head to make them feel important by over-touting their limited achievements as a race, and then we go about our business on March 1st. Am I saying blacks have contributed NOTHING to our nation? Not at all, there's been individual achievements in various endeavors; but as a group they've proven themselves wholly incapable of embracing the merits of civilization.
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Post by v on Feb 1, 2007 9:25:43 GMT -5
Sol, that has to be the best put together thought I've ever read on the internet. I couldn't agree with you more.
MLK day is a joke and if we started handing out holidays for everyone who "has a dream" there's about 4 million wannabe's out there who would take up our calandar. Should we honor them because the see a brighter future?
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Post by tragicpizza on Feb 1, 2007 9:59:05 GMT -5
Several years ago, I was applied for a HUD loan. I was 26 years old, newly divorced, with two small children. The house I was appling for had been abandonded for about three years and the nighborhood kids have broken all of the windows and painted all of the walls. It was trashed. The lady at HUD was so nice when she turned my application down. They were only granting minority loans. The black man who got the house is a college professor...And did I mention he was gay? I don't know what cinched the loan for him, but I dare say that a college professor can make the $96.00 a month house payments. That is her proof. A singular, biased account of a single experience is proof. Right.
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Post by phinehas on Feb 1, 2007 11:10:46 GMT -5
Well, I am not one that could be accused of PC in any of my posts. To deny that Martin Luther King did not have a significant impact on American society is to deny reality. I would say that his impact justified a national honor. There were two major events and people that were the main contributors of equality for blacks in America as human beings. The emancipation via Lincoln and desegregation via MLK. A person would have to try really hard to want to deny this recognition.
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