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Post by solomon on Apr 13, 2007 13:44:51 GMT -5
Russ and Dee called themselves the "two Jews in the morning show" and even most of us Christians (I'm an independent Baptist) loved their show. They were my favorite ones on 101.1. Burt and Kurt makes me sick!!!! . I was extremely disappointed when I found out they were staying. Those guys would be talking about something serious and just change "the pace" with some trivial story. Russ and Dee handled real issues and what I think got them fired was having the 9/11 truth scholar on their show this past September 11th. The Crawford stand is nothing but a lapdog for the NEOCON movement. They appear to think that support for an unconstitutional war (Article 1 section 8 U.S. Constitution) equals conservatism. They appear to just mainly exist to beat the drum for The "war on terror" and only mention important things in passing (The U.N.;1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments, The "Patriot Act"; "Homeland Security", open borders and they never mention any 9-11 truth). The station and many of the IDIOTS that believe in that crappy station came unglued when Russ and Dee had a 9/11 scholar on the show that morning. Even Matt took jabs at them instead of handling the FACTS that the scholar brought out. I called in and got dumped on every show after I called in and intelligently asked damning questions to the official story (I pounded Matt the hardest, Burt and Kurt just showed how unable they really were withstand a few good questions by dumping me while asking if this lovey dovey govt would murder it's own citizens, My answer would have been abortion. Watch a video of one or pictures then look at the Declassified North Woods Document in the National Archive and compare it with the PNAC documents that call for a "New Pearl Harbor" to catalyze the neocon war agenda) So with all of that said, What do you think about 9/11? Do you think it is possible that rogue elements within our government helped out (I believe some al qaida was involved but they would have been really surprised when they found out the plane was taken over by remote)? Do yall stand behind the 9/11 commission, NIST Report and FEMA Report in its entirety? Now that you guys won't lose your job for disagreeing with "The God and Country Station" will you tell us what you think about 9/11? Thanks for Yale's discussion on taking up arms against the government a little while back. That was really radical and will probably never be discussed again on the "source". PS- Personally I thought you guys appeared out of character on the Christian music discussion a Friday or so ago. One of you guys came across as an agnostic since your beginning the show and I thought you guys were being pressured to try to fit in. I hope the best for you guys getting your life together after what appears to be a sudden firing. Here are some 9/11 links : www.infowars.com/index.htmlwww.universalseed.org/main.aspwww.theresistancemanifesto.com/ (This guy is hilarious and brave) www.geocities.com/killtown/ (WTC 7 info on here is interesting to say the least) PSS- Did you guys discuss some 9/11 truth or something that may have helped to fire you? I didn't get to listen to your show everyday. Brian Solomon John 6:68
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Post by solomon on Apr 13, 2007 13:54:18 GMT -5
If you would not like answer controversial questions that could possibly jeopardize a future job at another neocon outfit, I understand and do not condemn you because you guys probably have families also.
Respond to me privately at one of my emails if you don't mind and even if you do mind go ahead and try it, it could help build character, bsolomon7836@charter.net . Please respond I'm interested in knowing if you guys really attack issues and the 9/11 truth movement has plenty of them.
Brian Solomon John 6:68
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 13, 2007 15:09:20 GMT -5
All of this crazy "America was behind 9/11" crap is enough to makes me think if YOU are a religious person, I might be better off joining blondie in the non-believers circle. You can keep posting your 9/11 conspiracy crap from now until the last trump sounds, but it won't make it true. The only conspiracy I remotely buy into was that the Kennedy assignation was not carried out by a lone gunman. And by the way...The Earth..It isn't flat either....shhhhhhh...Don't spoil it for the rest of your friends. And don't you know anything? Russ & Dee got fired for taking on the Masons. Everyone knows they have more power than God.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 13, 2007 15:42:24 GMT -5
I for one love it when the Infowars crowd gets a microphone and is given a platform from which to spin their tales of vast governmental and extrgovernmental conspiracies.
In fact, I think people like Alex Jones, Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnel need to be heard MORE.
They do a far better job of discrediting thier own theories and brining ridicule upon themselves than any rational person ever could. I say, give them the rope and let them hang themselves.
BTW....Rosie? We're still waiting for those Yale or Harvard professors to come on your program and 'prove' your theory.
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Post by solomon on Apr 13, 2007 15:51:15 GMT -5
The question was directed for the attack machine. I know how you guys feel. If you want to sound smart try to rationalize the North Woods Document for me. I'm sick of hearing yalls religious loyalty to the Bush Administration and the neocon movement.
Brian Solomon John 6:68
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 13, 2007 16:09:17 GMT -5
solomon-
Please define "neocon" for me.
Not what Wikipedia or Bill Maher says it means...what YOU think it means.
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Post by solomon on Apr 13, 2007 16:17:56 GMT -5
solomon- Please define "neocon" for me. Not what Wikipedia or Bill Maher says it means...what YOU think it means. On another thread. I will define neocon if you discuss The North Woods Document on another thread. If not be quiet and quit ignoring a govt document that CONSPIRED TO KILL IT'S OWN CITIZENS AS A PRETEXT FOR INTERVENTION IN CUBA. Start another thread and discuss the issues. You seem inteligent but I have some serious doubts.
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Post by lawman on Apr 13, 2007 16:33:24 GMT -5
solomon- Please define "neocon" for me. Not what Wikipedia or Bill Maher says it means...what YOU think it means. On another thread. I will define neocon if you discuss The North Woods Document on another thread. If not be quiet and quit ignoring a govt document that CONSPIRED TO KILL IT'S OWN CITIZENS AS A PRETEXT FOR INTERVENTION IN CUBA. Start another thread and discuss the issues. You seem inteligent but I have some serious doubts. whoa.....Stick it to him, 'Soly'......
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 13, 2007 17:06:27 GMT -5
I buy the government line, Islamic terrorist attacked the WTC and the US on 9/11.
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Post by billt on Apr 13, 2007 17:34:32 GMT -5
do we agree that those "islamic terrorists" bin ladens group in particular were armed, trained, and funded by the CIA for MANY YEARS prior to 2001?
that is FACT for those that desire to disagree.
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 13, 2007 19:34:21 GMT -5
Of course, at the time we used them.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 13, 2007 21:25:02 GMT -5
The North Woods document is your Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion.
Or your version of the Downing Street Memo if you prefer.
All have been extensively discredited by reputable individuals, as have Alex Jones, Rosie O'Donnel and Charlie Sheen. That one would have to stoop so low as to use those sorts as 'credible sources' would be roughly the equivalent of a global warming 'denier' using The National Enquirer as their source material.
Now...please define "neocon".
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 13, 2007 21:30:36 GMT -5
do we agree that those "islamic terrorists" bin ladens group in particular were armed, trained, and funded by the CIA for MANY YEARS prior to 2001? that is FACT for those that desire to disagree. bill- Yep...it is a fact. It's another fact that we aided Saddam Hussein's Iraq in their war against Khomeini's Iran. Now I'm sorely tempted to point out those examples to Ms. Pelosi as what you get when you talk to dictators and tyrants but such an analogy would be totally lost on her because talking to our enemies ins't the purpose of her globetrotting; embarassing George W. Bush and getting a Democrat in the White House in 2008 is. Frankly, given the reason behind our support of the mujha'adeen and Saddam's Iraq- that we were seeking to contain Soviet expansion- I can't find much to criticize about our actions then. You talk about the volatility of the oil market now. What would Soviet control of the Middle East thru puppet proxy states have done to the price- or even the availability of oil at ANY price to the West- of oil?
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Post by solomon on Apr 13, 2007 22:32:24 GMT -5
The North Woods document is your Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion. Or your version of the Downing Street Memo if you prefer. All have been extensively discredited by reputable individuals, as have Alex Jones, Rosie O'Donnel and Charlie Sheen. That one would have to stoop so low as to use those sorts as 'credible sources' would be roughly the equivalent of a global warming 'denier' using The National Enquirer as their source material. Now...please define "neocon". Answer the question jackass and quit brining up off the wall crap like the protocols and stick with the question. Discuss the content that makes us all "paranoid". You know the parts that suggest our Government and patsies starting a terror campaign in DC, Miami and Guantanomo Bay. Blow up radio stations, bombs and blowing up a drone airliner with "students" inside over Cuba to cause a "helpful wave of indignation" to get americans behind the war. Fake funerals you know all of the stuff you did not discuss liked asked. Neocon defined: Neo=New con= short for conservative. The Holy Bible, King James Version Proverbs 26:5 (KJV) 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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Post by Chris Hobbs on Apr 13, 2007 23:25:24 GMT -5
Just so people will stop asking me this:
I think the hijacking of the 4 planes that day by 19 muslim hijackers was real and unexpected. (Unexpected that morning...of course we all knew we'd be attacked at some point) I believe the crashing 3 of the 4 into buildings was real and unexpected.
The only thing I believe happened that the government wont tell us is Flight 93 that went down over Penn. I think it was shot down by the military. That being said, on such a tragic day, the American people could never have handled knowing our own military took down a civilian plane. Instead, we needed a hero.
Inset the "Let's Roll!" guy.
I believe that whole thing was fabricated to create some sort of "good news" on a terrible day. But the whole "Bush knew" BS is jsut that. BS. The Bush's, Clinton...they all knew there were plans to attack us on our soil. I don't think any of them knew the exact time and place.
Now, please burn this post. I think it may be a little too controvercial for some of the people around here. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs for debating it. As we all learned this week...healthy debate is dangerous. People get hurt. Step away from your computer.
By the way, Solomon...I am agnostic. You pegged me.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 14, 2007 0:02:02 GMT -5
The question was directed for the attack machine. I know how you guys feel. If you want to sound smart try to rationalize the North Woods Document for me. I'm sick of hearing yalls religious loyalty to the Bush Administration and the neocon movement. Brian Solomon John 6:68 My "religious loyalty" lies with my Lord and Savior, not with George W. Bush. But I have a brain in my head, and I know how to read, and I have a logical mind and a B.S. filter that doesn't let me fall for the clap trap these so called "truthers" spew.
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Post by dixiepixie on Apr 14, 2007 0:06:23 GMT -5
solomon- Please define "neocon" for me. Not what Wikipedia or Bill Maher says it means...what YOU think it means. On another thread. I will define neocon if you discuss The North Woods Document on another thread. If not be quiet and quit ignoring a govt document that CONSPIRED TO KILL IT'S OWN CITIZENS AS A PRETEXT FOR INTERVENTION IN CUBA. Start another thread and discuss the issues. You seem inteligent but I have some serious doubts. What does an incident that supposedly occured in the 1960's under a president that the CIA more than likely had killed have to do with a very real terrorist attack on American soil? Explain to me what one has to do with the other?
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Post by solomon on Apr 14, 2007 9:08:57 GMT -5
Just so people will stop asking me this: I think the hijacking of the 4 planes that day by 19 muslim hijackers was real and unexpected. (Unexpected that morning...of course we all knew we'd be attacked at some point) I believe the crashing 3 of the 4 into buildings was real and unexpected. The only thing I believe happened that the government wont tell us is Flight 93 that went down over Penn. I think it was shot down by the military. That being said, on such a tragic day, the American people could never have handled knowing our own military took down a civilian plane. Instead, we needed a hero. Inset the "Let's Roll!" guy. I believe that whole thing was fabricated to create some sort of "good news" on a terrible day. But the whole "Bush knew" BS is jsut that. BS. The Bush's, Clinton...they all knew there were plans to attack us on our soil. I don't think any of them knew the exact time and place. Now, please burn this post. I think it may be a little too controvercial for some of the people around here. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs for debating it. As we all learned this week...healthy debate is dangerous. People get hurt. Step away from your computer. By the way, Solomon...I am agnostic. You pegged me. I'm the guy that called in on fully automatic weapons being constitutional a few weeks ago. Concerning 93's Hero story. I thought it was suspicious that there seemed to be a hero from every walk of life. It appeared that everyone had their hero that they could identify with. A redneck, queer, woman, and I think a black dude also. The only folks that could compete with that kind of diversity would be the guys that make the posters for the Army recruitment offices. Brian Solomon John 6:68
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Post by killer on Apr 14, 2007 15:15:56 GMT -5
Chris, Interesting theory -- the one about military shooting down the plane. Never thought about that before. Makes alot of sense.
Solomon, I would not be surprised if it was an inside job. I do not trust my government, unfortunately. Maybe the war profiteers were in a slump.
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Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 14, 2007 17:14:50 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with chris on this one. I just dont see how a plane slamming into a field would leave debris spread out over several MILES. It was shot down. It was a sad but necessary thing to do.
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Post by phinehas on Apr 14, 2007 17:22:45 GMT -5
debris spread out of miles?
Numerous individuals who see the Flight 93 crash site describe a lack of plane wreckage: Jon Meyer, a reporter with WJAC-TV, says, “I was able to get right up to the edge of the crater.… All I saw was a crater filled with small, charred plane parts. Nothing that would even tell you that it was the plane.… There were no suitcases, no recognizable plane parts, no body parts. The crater was about 30 to 35 feet deep.” [Newseum et al., 2002, pp. 148] According to Mark Stahl, who goes to the crash scene, “There’s a crater gouged in the earth, the plane is pretty much disintegrated. There’s nothing left but scorched trees.” [Associated Press, 9/11/2001] Frank Monaco of the Pennsylvania State Police says, “If you would go down there, it would look like a trash heap. There’s nothing but tiny pieces of debris. It’s just littered with small pieces.” [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/12/2001] Scott Spangler, a photographer with a local newspaper, says, “I didn’t think I was in the right place. I was looking for a wing or a tail. There was nothing, just this pit.… I was looking for anything that said tail, wing, plane, metal. There was nothing.” [Newseum et al., 2002, pp. 149] According to Ron Delano, a local who rushes to the scene after hearing about the crash, “If they hadn’t told us a plane had wrecked, you wouldn’t have known. It looked like it hit and disintegrated.” [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 9/12/2001] Gabrielle DeRose, a news anchor with KDKA-TV, views the crash site from a hill overlooking it. She says, “It was very disturbing to think all the remains just disintegrated…. There were no large pieces of airplane, no human remains, no baggage.” [Sylvester and Huffman, 2002, pp. 160-161] Local assistant volunteer fire chief Rick King, who sees the crater at the crash site, says, “Never in my wildest dreams did I think half the plane was down there.” King sends his men into the woods to search for the plane’s fuselage, but they keep coming back and telling him, “Rick. There’s nothing.” [Longman, 2002, pp. 216] Bob Craig of the FBI’s evidence-gathering team later explains what is supposed to have occurred: “Turn the picture of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center on its side, and, for all intents and purposes, the face of the building is the strip mine in Shanksville [where Flight 93 crashed].” [Longman, 2002, pp. 260] When the plane’s two black boxes are later discovered (see September 13-14, 2001), they are reportedly found 15 and 25 feet inside the crater. [Longman, 2002, pp. 217; Washington Post, 5/12/2002]
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Post by phinehas on Apr 14, 2007 17:26:00 GMT -5
I also believe that did not find any remains of those on Flight 93.
September 16, 2001: Usual Investigative Procedures Not Followed in Examining Flight 93 WreckageA report suggests the crash site of Flight 93 is being searched and recorded in 60 square-foot grids. [News Journal (Wilmington, DE), 9/16/2001] This approach is preferred by the two forensic scientists in charge of the crash, who say that doing so can help determine who was where when the plane crashed, and possibly how it crashed. However, almost a year later it comes out that this approach is not followed: “The FBI overruled them, instead dividing the site into five large sectors. It would be too time-consuming to mark tight grids, and would serve no real investigative purpose, the bureau decided. There was no mystery to solve about the crash. Everybody knew what happened to the plane.” [Longman, 2002, pp. 262-63] While the military may suggest there is no mystery, some articles have suggested the plane was shot down. (For example, [Philadelphia Daily News, 11/15/2001; Independent, 8/13/2002] )In addition, at the time of this decision, investigators were still considering the possibility a bomb might have destroyed
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Post by phinehas on Apr 14, 2007 17:31:46 GMT -5
er..bodies found, that is.
Washington Post, May 12, 2002
Excerpt: The fuselage burrowed straight into the earth so forcefully that one of the "black boxes" was recovered at a depth of 25 feet under the ground.
As coroner, responsible for returning human remains, [Wally] Miller has been forced to share with the families information that is unimaginable. As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.
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Post by W.O.M.I on Apr 14, 2007 19:39:41 GMT -5
A "neocon" is rightfully defined as someone who was once of the liberal mindset, either in terms of fiscal or social viewpoints, and his since then re-examined his former beliefs and adopted a more conservative viewpoint.
Being that I never embraced a liberal philosophy on either fiscal or social agenda planks, I could not be a "neocon". If anything, since I never had to re-examine my belief system, I would more properly be termed a "paleocon".
The Left has redefined the term to be derogatory towards anyone on the right, particularly if they are in, allied with or support the Bush Administration. As liberals so often do, they redefine a term so as to better support their argument, even if that redefinition is dishonest, misleading or just flat-out wrong.
I brought up those other tomes, now discredited, because there were people who believed them. Some because they felt the tomes were convincing, but most because they passionately wanted to believe what they said, for whatever reason. I just hope that you don't fall into the latter category because those folks can't be reasoned with.
>EDIT: gratuitous personal shot at solomon edited out. Even if I disagree with him- and I do- he deserves more respect than my initial post gave him.<
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Post by Dale Jackson on Apr 15, 2007 15:37:25 GMT -5
CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down. RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion. CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't. RUMSFELD: We won't? CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq. RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?
CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around. BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists? RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything! CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of farking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania. RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of farking nowhere. CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile. BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile? CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by. BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers? CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane. BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right? CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here? RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York. BUSH: Oh, OK. RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them. BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo? CHENEY: Like pulling teeth! RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose! BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? shiat, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices? RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"! ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
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Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 15, 2007 16:45:30 GMT -5
The primary debris field: "There was a crater in the ground that was really burning. There were pieces of fuselage and clothing all over the area, burning, said Peterson. He said he didn't see any debris longer than a couple of feet long. Spallone said the plane was still smoldering at 12:30. He said officials were trying to keep people from scene and confirmed that there are no survivors. He said the "debris field spread over an area size of a football field, maybe two footballs fields." The impact of the crash was so severe that the biggest piece of debris he has seen there is no bigger than 2 feet. www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010911somerset0911p4.aspwww.post-gazette.com/graphics/images2/aa12.pdfPhotos: www.bartcop.com/flight93.htmwww.dep.state.pa.us/dep/emergency/pictures/091201f.htmThe secondary (and tertiary) debris fields: The Pennsylvania state police said debris from the crash has shown up about 8 miles away in a residential area where local media quoted some residents as seeing flaming debris from the sky. But investigators were unwilling to say whether the presence of debris in two separate places evinced an explosion. www.eastandard.net/eahome/story15092001004.htmFinding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine. Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene. post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp"John Fleegle, an Indian Lake Marina employee, said FBI agents were skeptical of his reports about debris in the lake until they traveled to the lake shore Wednesday afternoon. By Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina. Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and checks. He said FBI agents who spent the afternoon patrolling the lake in rented boats eventually carted away a large garbage bag full of debris. " Comment: If the debris was somewhat continuous, as you'd expect if the debris all originated at the main crash site, the FBI wouldn't have been skeptical, and wait over 24 hours until the next afternoon to check it out. It's only 2.5 miles away to the lake. But when they got there they rented boats and bagged up a bunch of debris. "Fleegle, marina owner Jim Brant and two of Brant's employees were among the dozens who witnessed the crash from Indian Lake. Fleegle had just returned to the marina to get fuel for a boat that had run out of gas when Carol Delasko called him into the drydock barn to watch news of the World Trade Center attack. All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom," said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake. Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she said. (archived at library.triblive.com - search Delasko from 9-10-01 to 9-20-01) Comment: If debris was simply dropped from 5,000 feet - it would take a couple minutes just to fall straight down on the lake. They hopped in their cars right away - and still saw the debris fall BEFORE they left. Witnesses say they heard the plane fly over, felt their building AT THE DOCK shake. The debris evidence also supports the plane flying over Indian Lake AND that plane was falling apart. This debris would have taken 15-20 minutes to float at 10mph and then descend on Indian Lake from the main crash crater. The testimony and evidence do not support the NTSB story that the debris floated from the main crash site. In a morning briefing, state Police Major Lyle Szupinka confirmed that debris from the plane had turned up in relatively far-flung sites, including the residential area of Indian Lake. Investigators appealed to any residents who had come across such debris, in the surrounding countryside or even in their yards, to contact them, emphasizing that even the smallest remnants could prove to be important clues." post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.aspSzupinka said searchers found one of the large engines from the aircraft "at a considerable distance from the crash site." "It appears to be the whole engine," he added. Szupinka said most of the remaining debris, scattered over a perimeter that stretches for several miles, are in pieces no bigger than a "briefcase." (archived at library.triblive.com - search whole engine from 9-10-01 to 9-20-01 or read it here) Crowley related that 95 percent of the airplane had been recovered. The biggest piece of aircraft found was a fuselage skin measuring about 6 to 7 feet. The heaviest piece was from one of the engines and weighed 1,000 pounds. www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#finalComment: It's important to recall that every description of the main crash site is that the airplane was OBLITERATED. Very small debris was spread over a couple hundred yards. This is exactly what you'd expect to see when an Airliner impacts nearly vertically as Flight 93 did. Nothing survived this impact... yet a 1000lb fan was found elsewhere. It fell off before impact, just like Flight 587's engine that was found basically intact did. John Fleegle, an Indian Lake Marina employee, said FBI agents were skeptical of his reports about debris in the lake [2.5 miles away from main crash site] ... said he climbed on the roof of an abandoned cabin and tossed down a burning seat cushion that had landed there. (Archived at library.triblive.com - search burning seat cushion from 9-10-01 to 9-20-01 or read it here. It's unclear exactly how far this seat cushion is from the primary crater.) Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles (13 km) away in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky. investor.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-7147291-0.html
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Post by lawman on Apr 15, 2007 17:53:59 GMT -5
ABM,
What is your point?
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Post by alabamamtnman on Apr 15, 2007 20:30:26 GMT -5
it was argued by phineas or whatever its name is that the debris was not consistant with a shot down plan but of one hitting nose first and all the debris was on one small area in a field. she put up links to refute my claim of things being way off and i put up links etc proving my side as well
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Post by solomon on Apr 15, 2007 22:07:06 GMT -5
Bush.Cheney and Rummy: Hey since the "terrorist threat" is so real we will try to get the Dubai Port Deal going, Tear up the Constitution since it is just a "God D@$% piece of paper" (by Bush), Strip search americans in airports while the borders are wide @$$ open, Lie in order to go to war in Iraq and bomb the Taliban even though they tried to give us Bin Laden during Clinton's adminstration, Snatch Americans property through Emminent Domain, Spy on Americans through the "Patriot" Act, Get rid of Habeus Corpus and warrants, Spy on americans bank accounts,. Tap phones, and tell them the terrorist hate us because of our "freedoms".
Jackson your sarcasm over looks so many facts. The war on terror is a fraud. This administrations actions are completely inconsistent with a war on terror.
On top of this you guys tried making the national ID card sound like it would actually help out americans.
I think The Attack Machine was and is bought and paid for and will jump when the NeoCon big dogs bark. Talk radio for the most part is basically worthless. During the 6 YEARS that republicans had the majority not one inch of the welfare state was repealed, No gun cuntrol was repealed, America was still killing babies like it was going out of style- nothing repealed on abortion. Rush, Hannity, O'Reily, Burt and Kurt, Lee Davis, and Matt Murphy never beat the drum for anything except the "war on terror".
I listen to 101.1 because I think it is important to monitor my ENIMIES' ACTIVITIES. These mouth pieces for the NeoCon will keep spewing out lies. If this country slips into a civil war ........... never mind I'll keep that one for myself.
Your sarcasm is so right we should all just believe the goverment. Sure they might be lying reprobates in every other area but they draw the line when it comes to "terrorists" don't they. They would NEVER hood wink us on that would they?
I hope they fire the rest of the 101.1 cast and hire some real patriots. Jackson, listen to Alex Jones' radio program for a while and learn what it is to be a real patriot and join a real revolution.
"A Patriot is merely a rebel at the start. In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
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Post by solomon on Apr 16, 2007 3:45:01 GMT -5
Bush and Condaleezicawaneeka Shenaanaa Orr Rice said the government never thought about terrorists highjacking planes into the world trade center buildings............Oh really? ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1gBush and Rice got owned!
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